BLM, Racism, riots, entitlement's etc

[corrector]

I was vaguely familiar with Candace Owens before when I looked up a video or so about her, but have lost any details with which to found a perception. A very superficial skimming of her wikipedia profile makes me regard her as probably being a careerist who regurgitates infantile rhetoric in a play to her base, much like a politician would do anyway, just that she has a specific niche for doing it as a black woman in America's Republican party and she is particularly vicious at it. No idea who sheriff Dave Clark is.

You use wikipedia? Here some links from wikipedia about BLM and Sheriff Dave Clark:

David Clarke (sheriff) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

and

Black Lives Matter in wikipedia:

Black Lives Matter - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It doesn't sound like you agree with Candice Owens the way you've phrased your post. I think she called George Floyd a thug and holding him up like a martyr is irresponsible. She has talking points as most people critical of BLM would have.

 

[AttackFormation]

You use wikipedia? Here some links from wikipedia about BLM and Sheriff Dave Clark:

David Clarke (sheriff) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

and

Black Lives Matter in wikipedia:

Black Lives Matter - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It doesn't sound like you agree with Candice Owens the way you've phrased your post. I think she called George Floyd a thug and holding him up like a martyr is irresponsible. She has talking points as most people critical of BLM would have.

I agree that it'd be bad to hold up a man as a martyr who - from what we know of - was imprisoned for armed robbery and seemingly abandoned a budding family to move to the other side of the country. I was personally dismayed by finding this out as it reinforces negative stereotypes, and the fact that someone like Bob Kroll could point to this and say "see? prove me wrong" is what really troubles me. But in adopting this anti-martyr rhetoric as the focus of the incident without any caveat, one would lose the point which is due process of law in the incident.

But I don't think I'm in Candace's target audience. The conclusions she draws and positions she takes are too bizarre for me to be fooled that they are reasonable, or even that she herself may genuinely believe in them rather than mostly having found a career niche. For example, calling the well documented Southern Strategy a "myth" or calling welfare "socialism" when socialists themselves see welfare as largely a bread and circuses or band aid of capitalism to prevent socialism (like Bismarck's "state socialism"), tells me that she is either willfully and zealously ignorant or that she counts on her base being so. No one who has read so much as the wikipedia pages of the Southern Strategy or socialism would leave with those perceptions, unless they knowingly never wanted to change their mind in the first place.

I honestly don't care enough about these subjects to read up on them further, unless there's something specific.

 

[EyeBRollin]

It doesn't sound like you agree with Candice Owens the way you've phrased your post. I think she called George Floyd a thug and holding him up like a martyr is irresponsible. She has talking points as most people critical of BLM would have.

Candice Owens is a specimen. I hate her politics but I’d tear that up if I had the chance.

Funny, Last chick I slept with was similar. A hot black girl that liked Trump and couldn’t stand BLM. In the end it was a bridge too far. But the sex was damn good.

 

[corrector]

exactly why based on what I have presented do you believe I would not be fair to a Black suspect, would not believe in the Holocaust, or would endorse genocide(killing due to race) ??? be really specific. Only use what I have presented, not anything between the lines or that is based on a prejudice that you might have?

There is nothing specific that you've said. I must have interpreted something between the lines that wasn't there. I take it by this reply that you didn't mean to say that "Affirmative Action" places unqualified Black people, who have a low IQ because of their poor genetics, to get jobs they don't deserve, and we have to take control over a society crumbling apart because of stupid white liberals and should all make sure that Trump gets elected again before Western civilization falls to the savages and the USA becomes a mega-ghetto like South Africa is today. You are saying I was incorrect in this assumption?

I believe allot of things with colour-blindness is coded in. That is how society has to work. There are dog-whistles and there is coded language. When people violate the coded language or speak with a bullhorn instead of a dog-whistle then that doesn't work post 60s civil rights era. Therefore, it's left to the reader to look at the context, type of thread, type of discussion that has transpired in the post before that type of post is made, and interpret what "code" is in the letter.

You are free to explain plainly of what you meant by that since I would at least say it's silly given the heated discussion that have happened on here to just put something like that out of the blue if it didn't mean anything.

second, why would I support KKK(killing without trial of anyone not in time of war), Or support anything Nazi.... based on what I have said?

Assuming that the code-theory was right (i.e. people speak in code to avoid accusations of racism), that would be the logical inference that such a belief (i.e. interpretation of "Affirmative Action" or the country going to the dogs), that such a belief must have come from a group that would also have such beliefs. However, as you are suggesting you may have meant something else, then the logical inference in which that assumption was made is also incorrect and therefore I may have been in error. Of course you are free to clarify what you meant by what sounded like a coded message.

What I did was gave praise to strong men who stood against the oppression and torment of an otherwise innocent group of ppl at the time who could not defend themself due to a huge difference in technology and culture and the reasons they did it.

It sounded like a very sarcastic coded message. I apologize if it was meant differently. I wish you made a different type of thread and started a new subject rather than put something like this in the middle of what looked like a flame war between me and @Who Dares Win , etc.... It's possible I took it the wrong way. But that's the thing with a coded message, you can always explain your way out of it, or it won't be coded.

 

[Epicenter]

I agree with the truthfulness of your statement. It comes off as providing a rationale for why the police are particularly abusive towards black people. We can agree on that.

Myself and those who support BLMs commitment to ending this police abuse argue that the “why” is simply unacceptable. There is no justification for violating a persons human rights.

So there is no justification for violent crime. Let's get rid of these criminals?

 

[corrector]

So there is no justification for violent crime. Let's get rid of these criminals?

All the examples provided for police brutality in this thread have not actually dealt with violent crime. Elijah Mccain was just walking home from a convenience store. George Floyd, at best, was accused of a $ 20 counterfeit bill. In Canada, the police murdered Blacks and Indigenous people who called in for wellness checks.

You will not find BLM championing someone killed because they were a violent criminal and presented a real and tangible threat to the police officer (i.e. someone holding a loaded gun aimed at the officer). In fact, often the critique about systematic racism is that violent criminals, such as the ones that do mass shootings, and who are often white, and WOULD present a real and tangible threat to the police safety are often taken in, without incident.

 

[Epicenter]

All the examples provided for police brutality in this thread have not actually dealt with violent crime. Elijah Mccain was just walking home from a convenience store. George Floyd, at best, was accused of a $ 20 counterfeit bill. In Canada, the police murdered Blacks and Indigenous people who called in for wellness checks.

You will not find BLM protecting someone apprehended because they were a violent criminal and presented a real and tangible threat to the police officer. In fact, often the critique about systematic racism is that violent criminals, such as the ones that do mass shootings, and who are often white, and WOULD present a real and tangible threat to the police safety are often taken in, without incident.

Is violent crime against human rights? I guess, yes. So let's get rid of it.

Otherwise you are against human rights.


Oh, wait. I guess it's tiny bit more complex than that, right?

Another thing comes to my mind.

90% of the murder are done by men. Let's end men brutality.

Why don't women go out looting and burning things yet? I guess they are not "real women"

So fight men brutality. So we can solve all problems at once. Black crime, police brutality is done by men.

So whay do men do that? Because of Testosterone.

Let's lower their hormone levels.

Wait. Maybe there is good reason why there is Testosterone? Le't think about it.

 

[corrector]

Is violent crime against human rights? I guess, yes. So let's get rid of it.

Otherwise you are against human rights.


Oh, wait. I guess it's tiny bit more complex than that, right?

Epicenter is stupid.

 

[Epicenter]

In these topics I guess it is not a bad thing to put yourself in the shoes of others for awhile.

Later you can still keep your convictions.

One thing comes to my mind:

Science says there is no free will. So how can you really blame somebody? In the end we will rationalize morally all of our convictions.

So it's nice to stay little bit humble and calm down if possible. If not it's ok too.

 

[Epicenter]

Epicenter is stupid.

Name calling is stupid

 

[corrector]

Name calling is stupid

But you liked it so that means you agree with it.

 

[Epicenter]

But you liked it so that means you agree with it.

No I liked that you put me on ignore then you did edit it with some stupid stuff.

 

[corrector]

No I liked that you put me on ignore then you did edit it with some stupid stuff.

What are you talking about? Are you okay?

 

[Epicenter]

What are you talking about? Are you okay?

Coold down. In the great picture it doesn't mean anything I guess

Don't you have some sjw stuff for us?

 

[zekko]

If this was truly about how some police officers treat black suspects, that would be one thing. But it isn't. It's all this craziness that goes along with it. It's hating all police, wanting to defund the police, wanting to abolish the police, saying all whites are racist, saying the entire country is racist, saying the 4th of July celebrates white supremacy, reeducating children to tell them that the country is racist, tearing down the founding fathers, wanting to destroy capitalism and replace it with socialism, etc. etc. etc.

And the cancel culture which makes the old political correctness look reasonable in comparison. And heaven help you if you live in one of these cities run by woke administrations and try to defend your property, because you will be the one prosecuted. What's important here is not what actually happened, it's what political agenda is being promoted. By the way, Seattle is talking about cutting police funding by 50%, so if all you criminals head there in the coming years, you can have a field day. Seattle doesn't want NYC to look more woke than they are.

 

[EyeBRollin]

So there is no justification for violent crime. Let's get rid of these criminals?

Let’s be clear - cops are not judge nor jury. Forgot about due process?

 

[EyeBRollin]

#BlackLivesMatter was founded in 2013 in response to the acquittal of Trayvon Martin’s murderer. Black Lives Matter Foundation, Inc is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada, whose mission is to eradicate white supremacy and build local power to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes.

If this was truly about how some police officers treat black suspects, that would be one thing. But it isn't.

Starts the post off with a lie. Now here comes the strawman argument...

It's all this craziness that goes along with it. It's hating all police, wanting to defund the police, wanting to abolish the police, saying all whites are racist, saying the entire country is racist, saying the 4th of July celebrates white supremacy, reeducating children to tell them that the country is racist, tearing down the founding fathers, wanting to destroy capitalism and replace it with socialism, etc. etc. etc.

And the cancel culture which makes the old political correctness look reasonable in comparison. And heaven help you if you live in one of these cities run by woke administrations and try to defend your property, because you will be the one prosecuted. What's important here is not what actually happened, it's what political agenda is being promoted. By the way, Seattle is talking about cutting police funding by 50%, so if all you criminals head there in the coming years, you can have a field day. Seattle doesn't want NYC to look more woke than they are.

Tell us how you really feel. Sounds like this was always about who is protesting, not what they are protesting...

 

[Epicenter]

Maybe we should think out of the box. Some asian countries seem to have not problem with killing blacks. Do they have a better strategy.

Also you almost never see BLM protesting in or about Japan. Why is that?

 

[EyeBRollin]

Maybe we should think out of the box. Some asian countries seem to have not problem with killing blacks. Do they have a better strategy.

Also you almost never see BLM protesting in or about Japan. Why is that?

Enlighten us. Why?

 

[zekko]

Starts the post off with a lie. Now here comes the strawman argument...

What are you trying to say is a lie? Are you trying to say the protests are strictly about police violence against black people? Why did they topple a statue of Frederick Douglass then? Was he a staff sergeant at the local precinct?

Tell us how you really feel. Sounds like this was always about who is protesting, not what they are protesting...

Oh, it is most definitely the what that is so alarming here. And it's not all about the protesters, as I said it's about all the craziness that goes with it.
But the protesters lost me when they were directing so much hate toward innocent police officers. Because that showed they were painting them all with one broad brush, which shows prejudice, which under the circumstances was hypocritical. Most of those yelling at police were white, by the way.