Blackpill has shut down RSD/PUA. Is this true?

[SW15]

I think that like office buildings, covid is going to accelerate the decline of the hypernachronistic nightclub scene as well. it was never clear why people even continued to go to clubs after online dating completely destroyed the meat market aspect of them . it was just something that you did because you felt like you were supposed to do that on a weekend but barely anyone even talked to girls. It was like a way to hide alcoholism. Still an exception for vacation destinations.

Covid is going to make every form of game more difficult until about 2022. This will be the worst 2 year stretch for the mating environment ever. 1918 had a healthier mating environment entering that pandemic as compared to 2000-2019. There was a degradation of the mating environment from 2000 to 2019. 2000 was no great environment either.

It was the swipe apps that changed bars/clubs more drastically. If you think back to roughly 2004-2012, when dating websites were reasonably popular, there was still a decent nightlife scene. Near the end of that period, women were getting their inboxes flooded more on the POF and OKC sites of the world. Realize that the app era just is an acceleration of a lot of the bad stuff than happened in the website era.

Swiping on a smartphone and texting is easier than using a laptop and reading through word intensive profiles. That's why the website era didn't put as much of a dent into nightlife as apps.

I like your point about vacation destinations. If I think about 2023, Las Vegas will have solid nightlife. Same with Miami and Honolulu. San Diego might be ok if they can handle the ratios there, which are always bad because of the military presence. In Metro Phoenix, its suburbs of Scottsdale and Tempe have most of the nightlife. Scottsdale draws more the traveler scene.

Millennials and Gen Z are also kind of lazy and do not have good people skills. Nightlife is something that requires better people skills than app swiping. Women don't need to stand in bars to find sex anymore and they can get more attention on Instagram and the apps anyway.

 

[coyote_astro]

I have a guess the reasons they stop focus on women is because
1. they are getting old (+ have families) and dont want to be associated with game
2. The game changes = new ideas needs to be developed = new young blood needs to add fresh updates. Both pillars of rsd owen and julian already tired
3. Julian's media scandal and transformation mastery
4. The pills jerks. I talking about the guys who uses red pill as an excuse to their lack of understanding women and talking toxic **** all over

I think the first 3 ones are the most important.

Btw when I watch any of their latest videos, it's so funny how much of an effort they make not to talk about women.
They essentially present a watered down version of classic old game concepts, dressed up as a more politically correct and youtube appropriate version.
Doesn't mean they are bad videos btw, many of them are still very good.

 

[bat soup]

Anyway, whatever their reasons for changing their business model, I see RSD primarily as a bunch of internet marketers whose main skillset is selling courses. That hasn't changed. It's also true that they're getting too old to be out clubbing and so on and they don't want to get caught up in the latest witch hunt.

If RSD disappears or dilutes their product it doesn't really matter because there will always be new guys ready to take over that aren't afraid to talk about pickup. There's Tom Torero, Locario... Doctor Skankypoon. Take your pick. The world evolves, the game evolves, but men will always want to bang because it's in our DNA.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Anyway, whatever their reasons for changing their business model, I see RSD primarily as a bunch of internet marketers whose main skillset is selling courses. That hasn't changed. It's also true that they're getting too old to be out clubbing and so on and they don't want to get caught up in the latest witch hunt.

If RSD disappears or dilutes their product it doesn't really matter because there will always be new guys ready to take over that aren't afraid to talk about pickup. There's Tom Torero, Locario... Doctor Skankypoon. Take your pick. The world evolves, the game evolves, but men will always want to bang because it's in our DNA.

And don't forget that people have archived the videos and programs too. It'll always be out there as a resource for people to learn.

 

[evan12]

I've just heard on a podcast that RSD is shutting down because their userbase has increasingly turned incel and the makers cannot debunk the blackpill any longer

Is this story true?

This might be the final nail in the coffin of PUA

PUA was not directed to successful and handsome men , it was for average man who can learn to be more social and project more value, it also encouraged self improvement and the concept of never give up.
What went wrong with PUA community ?
1- Some false adverting that made it look bad.
2- Online dating apps that put all the weight on look and not overall value of man, so you dont even have a chance to show how cool or established you are.
3- MeToo and the laws that make it risky for man to approach
4- Lets face it black pill require no efforts and no self improvement, and many young men are choosing it as a way to justify their laziness. It could be true for some hard cases, but I woundnt recommend black pill to any one, because it mean give up and die.

 

[Poonani Maker]

 

[corrector]

4- Lets face it black pill require no efforts and no self improvement, and many young men are choosing it as a way to justify their laziness. It could be true for some hard cases, but I woundnt recommend black pill to any one, because it mean give up and die.

The black pill will not suggest someone goes to the gym to attract women, but to go to the gym because you want to and it makes you healthier. Sounds similar to the red-pill. Both red/black-pill will suggest NOT doing self improvement BECAUSE you want a woman, but because its good for you.

Women or not, every guy wants a decent life and would have to improve themselves in order to enjoy their life. Expectations are managed so if you don't get a woman at the end of the day to the self improvements, you don't turn Eliot Roger.

The argument of black-pill is that if Eliot Roger believed in the black-pill then instead of a mass shooting, he would have focused on his studies at school and simply resigned his fate with women and move on to something else in life. He would not feel rejected by women because he didn't expect to be accepted in the first place and would go on his merry way. However, his father and mother and society gave him mixed messages and warped up his expectations.

 

[Poonani Maker]

The black pill will not suggest someone goes to the gym to attract women, but to go to the gym because you want to and it makes you healthier. Sounds similar to the red-pill. Both red/black-pill will suggest NOT doing self improvement BECAUSE you want a woman, but because its good for you.

Women or not, every guy wants a decent life and would have to improve themselves in order to enjoy their life. Expectations are managed so if you don't get a woman at the end of the day to the self improvements, you don't turn Eliot Roger.

The argument of black-pill is that if Eliot Roger believed in the black-pill then instead of a mass shooting, he would have focused on his studies at school and simply resigned his fate with women and move on to something else in life. He would not feel rejected by women because he didn't expect to be accepted in the first place and would go on his merry way. However, his father and mother and society gave him mixed messages and warped up his expectations.

You just gotta do your best and let the chips fall where they may. Sounds passive, but we live in a police state and you can't just Cavemen women anymore like our fathers did, to get offspring. We are not ALLOWED...freedom is limited.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I've just heard on a podcast that RSD is shutting down because their userbase has increasingly turned incel and the makers cannot debunk the blackpill any longer

Is this story true?

This might be the final nail in the coffin of PUA

Following julien getting kicked off planet earth by gross feminists, rsdnation turned into a **** hole. Prior, it was awesome. The content of the forum was a bit more than the misc at times (ybd aside).

From market leaders, rsd noticed bc don't sell, crowds are smaller, and dudes here on the forum and in general don't approach. More fellas are relying on escorts, sugar sites or tinder ie low hanging fruit.

From my perspective, pua has always been a hit or miss from a content perspective. The game hasn't developed a combat to female entitlement BEYOND status. Rsd julien no longer teaches, is married. The core guys are gone solo like ToddV or Alex. The remaining one like Luke is a joke. The push now is status and lifestyle. The problem is that, the majority aren't rich so, it doesn't work.

The biggest thing is that, looks matter. Its not a death sentence but if you are below 5 you are screwed. Even 7 or below, you are having to bust your ass.


I advice game competence + lift + get money right. If you want to know female nature, cold approach girls 3x a day for years. You will never look at women the same. The reality is that, guys won't do it. Even worse, TRP is full of married dating coaches milking high earning lonely bachelors for the most part +++ no receipts.

Pua is pretty dead at this point. Look at the old archive. Check online. The bare bones of MM is applicable. Lines are gay.

Men need to be on their purpose. The reality is that, most men are not competing and they will settle for chads booty call. Personally, i rather be single and bachelor mode. The economy and cultural changes in society are far more complicated than expected. The idea of a forever marriage till death is as silly as the job prospects too. Possible but not likely. Given female logic and bulking season, why bother with the game. Wamen 2020 is a disaster.

I approach. I have no idea what the alternative is to anything but. Again, its not easy and your outcome is much less important than the pursuit and transcending to THAT GUY. Tinder is cucked. Wamen are out having abortions and STDs. They are Liberal, feminists, ridden in debt, want kids won't raise them, and wants marriage but doesn't want your name or t9 be a wife.


Double down on your purpose. Assume you will always be a bachelor. Act accordingly. What's your alternative? If you strike cold, power to you. Just don't hold your breathe. #nextSet

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

You just gotta do your best and let the chips fall where they may. Sounds passive, but we live in a police state and you can't just Cavemen women anymore like our fathers did, to get offspring. We are not ALLOWED...freedom is limited.

I am taking my D out. I am slinging D.
And yet, I am a strike out king. I smash. I wont apologise for it. I always take my shot. I always execute.

Obv dudes need to exercise common sense. Anybody autistic or retarded dude and unable to comprehend nuance, the advice is not for you.

I have mentioned seed the pull before. As in, you direct her what to do and you evaluate logistics. Instruct her what to do. Her ability to follow instructions is key (or #next)!

You esculate by breaking rapport. By telling her what she should do. She must reciprocate or #next. Repeat!

I have thrown girls over my shoulders and went to pound town. Obv exercise common sense and gauge buying temperature.

Being a neanderthal gets women wet. The fact that the behaviour goes against the social norms and our cucked culture maker it a panty peeler.

Full disclosure: archive nudes, sexting, vid sex, and always text "it was fun." & & & something about watching or finishing a movie next time. Screenshot. Vid sex.

Destroy anybody for false accusations. Jail time and sue god forbid false rapey.

 

[coyote_astro]

Following julien getting kicked off planet earth by gross feminists, rsdnation turned into a **** hole. Prior, it was awesome. The content of the forum was a bit more than the misc at times (ybd aside).

Now that you mentioned it, I miss the rsdnation forum.
Putting some negative things apart, I used to enjoy checking it out once in a while, just like with this one here.

 

[cheyne]

Didn't RSD quit pickup AGES ago?

Personally, i've been away from the community (forums like this) since a few months before covid kicked off (just signed in for the 1st time since then, just this second)

I'm kind of 'over' it, tbh

I read every PUA book and watched every product and made tonnes of approaches, and yes, I did get laid a bit.

But in hindsight, I think I was a fool for believing the hype. Every girl I banged was basically a girl who liked the way I looked. Every girl I failed to get despite using 'game' was a girl who simply wasn't physically attracted to me. Almost nothing I could have done about that. The skill element is 'almost' negligible. 'Game' isn't gonna do anything if you're not her type/she isn't physically attracted

Yet that's what game marketers promises you. The idea that with certain social skills and tricks and negs and NLP and 'charisma' and bla bla bla, you can basically get any girl you want. 'She's attracted to how you make her feel' bla bla bla

I think it was easier to sell that lie in the mysterymethod days, I think. The evidence to the contrary is just starring you in the face nowadays and it's just pointless for them to try to convince you otherwise lol. And now like 90% of PUA forums have gone, and coaches are dropping like flies

Then there's the idea that girls are attracted to 'power', so guys spend their time in other ways, hoping it 'attracts' the girls. That doesn't work, either (unless she's literally using you for money in which case, may aswell get a hooker)
If 'power' was attractive, we wouldn't be seeing multi millionnaire film producers and actors being sent to prison for raping young actresses lol. Their 'power' didn't help them attract these pretty girls. They had to resort to either promising her a well paid job, or just outright raping her.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Now that you mentioned it, I miss the rsdnation forum.
Putting some negative things apart, I used to enjoy checking it out once in a while, just like with this one here.

There was good posters: dente, ambi, chinaboi, distant light, and a few more. The forum went gayyyy and I don't blame rsd pulling the plug.

I think rsd got debunked on looks matter lololol however, fellas especially in the low T era never approach. Game is work.

From a analytics perspective, more money is from inner game and self help. Guys are not going anywhere and approaching. Pandemic aside. Its a good excuse atm. I have not stopped approaching at anytime. Its just a crap shoot but yields better results imho then OLD. I am talking top form SMV 18-23. Not single mom and busted post wall CC.

JMLUV is entertaining. Lots of nudes of escorts and hookers. The rapey accusations and rsd wiped his stuff and avoided. Bud is still butt hurt to this day.

Personally, i took more from pickup than i ever did red pill. Red pill is masturbation and full of married dating coaches who i bet cannot hack it in the real world TODAY but i digress.

 

[YourGreatestFear]

But in hindsight, I think I was a fool for believing the hype. Every girl I banged was basically a girl who liked the way I looked. Every girl I failed to get despite using 'game' was a girl who simply wasn't physically attracted to me. Almost nothing I could have done about that. The skill element is 'almost' negligible. 'Game' isn't gonna do anything if you're not her type/she isn't physically attracted

Yet that's what game marketers promises you. The idea that with certain social skills and tricks and negs and NLP and 'charisma' and bla bla bla, you can basically get any girl you want. 'She's attracted to how you make her feel' bla bla bla

Have you ever seen a guy who is naturally good with women while not being good-looking? I did. "Game" doesn't work as well as people claim. But how you treat women and how good you are at social situations makes a BIG difference. When you truly stop giving a ****, when you truly start to consider yourself high-value, when your frame truly would be stronger than any woman's, then you'll see the big difference. Can you get any girl you want? Nope. No one can, even the most attractive man in the world. But why should you? Not every girl worth your time. In the first place, your mentality of chasing women is something that makes you and most PUA unattractive, no matter what kind of techniques they use.

If "looks" were everything then the model-looking guy could get any girl he wants. And it isn't true. It just isn't. I know one guy who is legit 9/10. He gets a lot of success online, but he completely sucks at cold-approach. He didn't **** a single ****ing girl after doing his first 300 approaches. I'll **** about 15 girls out of 100 I approached. And not me alone. Chasing women and using techniques to get laid makes you low-value by default. Reacting on a girl's reaction, considering it important, makes you low-value. Almost half of the girls I **** reacted negatively or neutrally from the start. It doesn't matter. It doesn't ****ing matter. A girl can say you she isn't interested, that you aren't her type and then she will suck your **** anyway. As long as you have a stronger frame, a stronger reality. But PUA contradicts it. So yeah, PUA doesn't work. Having the charisma and strong frame - does. If anyone wants to learn then they need to read some posts from dbot, especially this one.

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Snowplowman is good too.

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When it comes to girls, the best knowledge is free. Because there is too little to teach to take money for it, lol. Just be a man with a strong reality who commands respect and obedience, who enjoys himself when he wants and doesn't give a **** about woman's reactions.

 

[skinnyguy]

blackpill has validity. so rsd is now promoting self improvement? ok, where are the examples of beta simps who worked really hard on themselves and became slayers? guys would drop thousands on bootcamps to get "knowledge". but we all know that girls dont care about how much knowledge you have.

yeah, rsd luke had a lot of guys interested but i wonder if they figured out that his lifestyle game is a fantasy. him showing clips of himself with hb 9 models was a joke, they were probably girls he paid from ig. deezedbrah is right....rsd didn't account for b*tchy entitled girls (which many hot ones are). it all assumes that a girl is going to hear you out. If you open with "Do you have a name or can I call you mine", the girl won't laugh or even respond, they will just walk away and roll their eyes. Openers are getting weirder and weirder...i just saw one that said "If the coronavirus doesn't take you out, can I"? WTF.

 

[Georgepithyou]

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