Black pill fantasy

[mrgoodstuff]

The truth is far darker than any pill

Explain

 

[Epicwinguy]

Explain

I will probably elaborate this later when I have more time to, but it’s a lot easier to change how you look than your core personality, especially if you have one or several disorders. Even worse if they are undiagnosed.

 

[Georgepithyou]

So "black pill" is literally an excuse to not put in the work...

Yeah it's a truly pathetic coping mechanism, they have their own circle jerks on incel forums.

 

[SW15]

Lot of the time their only experience woth women is through swipe apps like tinder so they have a very warped view

Being on swipe apps is toxic to one of mental health. It can also be toxic to one's wallet because of the common one date, no sex, no 2nd date outcome.

 

[Epicwinguy]

question. Would this be diagnosed to make one or get one to assimilate into this destructive culture or is the idea to restore him to himself?

I would get whatever problem diagnosed so I can work on fixing it.

 

[Epicwinguy]

I think they can at the very least become more outgoing. Plenty of courses to teach that.
I have noticed though that there are certain core weaknesses that I have (if I am remotely tired or stressed then I simply will not approach, I always have to be in state). However, I was able to change so much. Having said that, yes I have seen people that can't improve. A big one is conditioning by their single mother...simply impossible for them to escape their woman-worship bias.

What would you call “woman-worship?” I regard genders pretty equally since both genders can be *******s/bitches.

 

[Epicwinguy]

The single mom brainwashes the kid into believing that his father is the cause of all of his problems. He internalizes it into a belief that bad things come from men and not women, even when he is presented by evidence to the contrary. He does not see men and women as equals, he sees women as morally superior to men due to his conditioning.

Ah hell no. I definitely don’t view women as superior in any way. But I do think men are as bad as women, which is an unpopular opinion within the red pill community

 

[Epicwinguy]

Have you ever really thought about this? What is socially acceptable is the direction it’s taken. What kind of world are we in?

Ive looked and searched and looked again. They have not cured one single human being. How would you explain this?
Well I guess drugging out individuality and assertiveness out of you or outright electroshock therapy. Would you consider those cures?

Well I think a lack of assertiveness is part of my problem, so I don’t think that would work.

 

[Epicwinguy]

Sounds like you are just fine. A non-assertive man afloat in the world? No need to drug you.

I have anxiety and all these little ticks. Maybe drugs won’t be necessary but a professional to help me work through them. I might finally be able to afford it though

 

[SW15]

A lot of misconception comes from certain redpill-gurus on youtube.
These guys permanently paint an image of the "high value man" (6ft, 6 figure income, 6pack etc.etc.) that 99,99% of the guys out there will not achieve.

What the blackpilled brothers here have to see is, they dont have to be the "high value man", they only have to be in the top 20% of men to have access to 80% of the women out there.

Having a look at the competition you beat 80% by:
*having an income, a decent car/habitation
*being confident
*be in good physical shape
*be groomed
*wear clean sportive-elegant clothing
*having a fundamental competence in comunication with women
*having a fundamental understanding of female nature

So what is wrong with @sangheilios then? It seems he posses all of that.

He lacks confidence (has psychological obstacles to overcome)

At 6'4" and muscular, @sangheilios should be most women's dream guy. However, he doesn't achieve the level of success with women that he desires or that would be expected of a 6'4" and muscular guy.

If you look at the list @ThisIsSparta provided, I achieve most of it and have achieved most of it in the 15 years since college graduation. Yet, like @sangheilios and a lot of men, I have generally been treated like dog shiit by a lot of women.

A lot of the reason why I've been treated in such an inhumane manner by women is because of the channels I've used to meet women over the past 16 years. My social circles in multiple cities have been incapable of providing me with viable dating options at any time during those 16 years. I know guys that have achieved multiple, multiyear long relationships from their social circles. I could make the point those guys stayed in those relationships too long because they didn't end well. I've been reliant upon cold approaching, websites (pre-2013), and swipe apps to meet women since 2005. All of those options will lead to worse treatment from women in the early stages because a woman faces no consequences for treating a man outside her social circle like garbage. A woman's social circle is never informed when she is flaky and rude to a guy she meets at her gym, a bar, the grocery store, or off of some swipe app.

 

[ThisIsSparta]

A lot of the reason why I've been treated in such an inhumane manner by women is because of the channels I've used to meet women over the past 16 years. My social circles in multiple cities have been incapable of providing me with viable dating options at any time during those 16 years. I know guys that have achieved multiple, multiyear long relationships from their social circles. I could make the point those guys stayed in those relationships too long because they didn't end well. I've been reliant upon cold approaching, websites (pre-2013), and swipe apps to meet women since 2005. All of those options will lead to worse treatment from women in the early stages because a woman faces no consequences for treating a man outside her social circle like garbage. A woman's social circle is never informed when she is flaky and rude to a guy she meets at her gym, a bar, the grocery store, or off of some swipe app.

I never got a single girlfriend out of a social circle. Every LTR resulted of meeting women in nightlife or OLD.

I have to add that i am not the most sociable guy and rather introverted, but loud clubs and OLD worked out just nicely.
What i would try today instead of the nightlife, is meeting women in spare time activities. (cooking/gardening-classes, sports/hiking-clubs etc).

OLD definately got a lot worse in the last decade and the number of crazy women is still on the rise, OLD or offlineD.

The question is, do you see room to improve your position (skills, looks/style) to get you into the top 15, 10, 5%?

What SMV do you target?

 

[FuzzX]

What is OLD?

 

[corrector]

What is OLD?

OnLine Dating.

 

[SW15]

I never got a single girlfriend out of a social circle. Every LTR resulted of meeting women in nightlife or OLD.

I have to add that i am not the most sociable guy and rather introverted, but loud clubs and OLD worked out just nicely.
What i would try today instead of the nightlife, is meeting women in spare time activities. (cooking/gardening-classes, sports/hiking-clubs etc).

OLD definately got a lot worse in the last decade and the number of crazy women is still on the rise, OLD or offlineD.

The question is, do you see room to improve your position (skills, looks/style) to get you into the top 15, 10, 5%?

What SMV do you target?

Yes, there is room to improve. I target women who I rate as 6+ and who most men rate as either "cute" or "hot"

 

[corrector]

At 6'4" and muscular, @sangheilios should be most women's dream guy. However, he doesn't achieve the level of success with women that he desires or that would be expected of a 6'4" and muscular guy.

If you look at the list @ThisIsSparta provided, I achieve most of it and have achieved most of it in the 15 years since college graduation. Yet, like @sangheilios and a lot of men, I have generally been treated like dog shiit by a lot of women.

A lot of the reason why I've been treated in such an inhumane manner by women is because of the channels I've used to meet women over the past 16 years. My social circles in multiple cities have been incapable of providing me with viable dating options at any time during those 16 years. I know guys that have achieved multiple, multiyear long relationships from their social circles. I could make the point those guys stayed in those relationships too long because they didn't end well. I've been reliant upon cold approaching, websites (pre-2013), and swipe apps to meet women since 2005. All of those options will lead to worse treatment from women in the early stages because a woman faces no consequences for treating a man outside her social circle like garbage. A woman's social circle is never informed when she is flaky and rude to a guy she meets at her gym, a bar, the grocery store, or off of some swipe app.

I thought in the early stages she is still flooded with attention and options rather than social consequences. You can still be treated badly within social circles and those can be worst. Look at @sangheilios story. He is a perfect example of social circle gone bad. He just asked a girl out from school (aka social circle game, he did not cold approach or meet hee in the street or OLD), and look at how painful that went and hiw that devestated, traumatized him for life. No matter what lows can happen with OLD the worst is just girls disappearing on you right?

 

[ThisIsSparta]

Yes, there is room to improve. I target women who I rate as 6+ and who most men rate as either "cute" or "hot"

6+ is achievable, keep putting in the work, open up new hunting grounds.

What would a 10 look like 10?

 

[lost_blackbird]

I would get whatever problem diagnosed so I can work on fixing it.

Not everything can be fixed. In some instances the best you can expect, is to develop
cognitive coping strategies to lessen the impact of disorders of this type.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I have anxiety and all these little ticks. Maybe drugs won’t be necessary but a professional to help me work through them. I might finally be able to afford it though

I betcha half of your stuff is mental, and how you process or look at things.

 

[Epicwinguy]

I betcha half of your stuff is mental, and how you process or look at things.

That’s the problem with the black pill and why it’s a damn fairy tail. An incel’s problem won’t go away with just plastic surgery and a workout routine.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

That’s the problem with the black pill and why it’s a damn fairy tail. An incel’s problem won’t go away with just plastic surgery and a workout routine.

He could literally bevtaken under the wing by someone successful in the game and start having success.