big chest but smaller shoulders

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What the hell is going on here, dudes?

My chest is like big and bulletproof, but my shoulders/front delts are lacking.

I am pretty happy with the chest, arms are growing fine, but I want like cannonball shoulders. Whatcha think? More deads? more overhead press?
 

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no pics, but basically my chest is bulging out, but my shoulders are relatively flat. I mean they are ok in width, but i want them to bulge out sideways over my arms and up a little.
 

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couple of ideas:
Seated Presses
Front BB Raises
DB Side Laterals
DB Bent Laterals
DB Shrugs
 
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Maybe you have been benching really wide. Do some isolation work to fix the imbalance.
 

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brucevangeorge said:
Maybe you have been benching really wide. Do some isolation work to fix the imbalance.

hmm

i do prefer a wide grip on my bench so I am not just working my tris..

i think ill start doing more seated presses and lat raises.. I havent been doing many of those lately..
 

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DB side laterals will bomb the medial delts pretty well.
side incline laterals are also very good for the medial delts, apparently they were Arnold's favorite for making his shoulders wider.
front raises are good for isolating just the anterior deltoid.

just b/c i'm curious....do you have any bodybuilding books?
i have a copy of joe weider's ultimate bodybuilding, i got it for $4 + some change on amazon. it has a ton of exercises listed for each muscle group, and gives you information on what parts of what muscles each exercise will hit.
it could be handy for ya.

i remember (a few years) thinking that my lateral tricep was lagging, referencing the book, and picking out a few exercises to bomb it out. i noticed the results a couple of weeks later.
 

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do you do incline bench??

drop flat BB for a while in favor of incline if not...
 
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Egoist said:
hmm

i do prefer a wide grip on my bench so I am not just working my tris..

i think ill start doing more seated presses and lat raises.. I havent been doing many of those lately..
Tru but I have also noticed that doing it wide also takes some stress off the deltoids.

Also, would any upright rows have effect on the deltoids? I feel it quite a bit in the front and side delts, but not the rear.
 

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I'm naturally broad, and when younger, shoulders were my strength over chest, and pretty much anything else. Thank God because when i was younger, i was chubby, so it hid some of that.

However, as of recently i've gained significantly in my shoulders, and the biggest reasons I've found for this are:

-Dips, I've done about 3-4 sets, pushing to max dip #'s each time. Just holding yourself elevated works the upper body in total, and puts maximal stress on the pecs, tris, shoulders, and even lats.
-Bent over rows, Dead lifts, and Stiff Deadlifts. Holding such extreme weight for a few sets ends up inducing more stress and muscular growth, IMO, than pushing up 40-50lbs on dumbbells. Again, my imo of what's worked.
-Pullups, Chin-Ups. Moving the body through space is of the most difficult, hence why it builds the most muscle.
-Squats. The release of hormones provided by fully blasting the legs gives the proper hormones throughout the body to induce growth and provide recovery.

I've gotten away from direct shoulder work as of late, because I don't find it as productive as the big 3 and bodyweight exercises. i will do some shoulder presses, and I'll switch to STANDING ones on smyth or just free standing. And I know some who advocate dumbbells altogether, but if I have only limited resources for recovery and limited time, then I will do what grows me most and has the potential for MOST growth the whole body over.

Each person will find the rep range that helps them grow best. You could do dips to max for 3 sets, then try adding 25lbs or 45lbs for fun and see what happens. For me, 3-4 sets and I can't do anything shoulder, chest, or triceps-related.


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Throw out the laterals. You rarely see huge guys doing them because they are hard to progess in with higher weights (have you ever seen someone doing them with 50+lbs with solid form?). Stick to pressing movements for shoulders--these will hit your front and middle delts hard. Rear delts and traps lacking? Heavy compound back exercises will take care of them. No need for shrugs or any direct trap working if you are doing your daily (well not daily!) dose of deadlifts, t-bar rows, etc.
 
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