flows101
Don Juan
OK this is for ALL the "SHE HAS A BF" posts i keep seeing on this forum. The below method WORKS it has been tested by me and many many times by many other PUA's and it WORKS, TRY it before criticising it .
TylerDurden said:Background - a few things to remember:
1) When BFdestroying you walk a tightrope between evoking too many bad feelings
and having them anchoured to you, and getting the chick to want to dump her BF.
Don't forget that your end goal is to f-close, not to break her up for some
other dude to enjoy.
2) It is preferable that you don't make it appear that you want her to dump her
boyfriend. Rather, make the idea appear to be something from within her (more
of a Socratic thing, than a direct thing).
3) While BFdestroying, you must direct the convo. to make her prompt you to
tell her how you would treat a woman. Make her work it out of you, because
she's worked up, and wants to know if she's got a fair deal or not.
4) You must REFRAME all behaviour to appear like insecure nice guy behaviour.
Even behaviour that -WE- as ASFers would use on girls (such as not agreeing to
LTR) is to be REFRAMED as being nice guy behaviour, as someone who is too
afraid to be decisive and go for what they really want, since they are too
afraid that they will lose it once they've been emotionally vulnerable (as will
be explained below). All behaviour can be REFRAMED.
5) By making the guy look like a "NICE GUY", you are making him the most
sexually unappealing guy conceivable. Once you've done this, there is NOTHING
that he can do to get back into her good books, as you've put him into a
predicament where anything that he does will be interpreted by his GF as being
insecure. So, if he's too distant, and he makes up for it by buying her
flowers -> he's insecure. If he's too needy, and he makes up for it by getting
a life -> he's insecure. You are trying to DIFFUSE his outer glossy shell, and
give the girl a window into his inner workings, so that he no longer appears
"mysterious" in any way. You make her understand him so well, that she likes
him more as a person, but no longer has any sexual desire for him.
6) Rather than re-explaining EVing, I'll just quote some MrSEX4uNYC archive, to
give the basic frame that you're working with WHILE you are using the stuff
that I'm mentioning. Without using this at the same time, my **** is USELESS:
"A major point though is that if her relationship to her boyfriend was so good,
what is she doing sitting out for coffee with you? This does not need to be
stated by you. It is obvious. Your job is to find out what SHE wants from you
and how you plan to demonstrate that you can provide it to her through your
stories about yourself. Of course you need lots of stories about yourself
dealing with women in the same fashion that she likes to be handles herself.
This stuff seeps in and makes her think of you as "her type" without you even
complimenting her once." (MrSEX4uNYC)
The tactic:
What you're looking to do here is tear the guy down to a NICE GUY, while making
it look like you're actually STICKING UP FOR HIM! Your goal is to make him one
of those guys that a girl would go out on a date with, like as a person, and
feel bad for having to LJBF at the end of the night when he tries to kiss her
at the door.
So how do you do that? Almost invariably, LTRs have certain problems (which
any of you who've had LTRs are morbidly familiar with):
-jealousy related spats (KEY)
-neediness
-failure to commit or being too distant
-abusive behaviour (be it physical or mental)
-psychological withdrawal, to gain certainty in the relationship (ie: in LTRs
each party will withdraw to see if the other will pursue periodically, to
assure themselves that the LTR is solid.. this is dimestore psychology, and
easily observable in any relationship)
-being irresponsible (not holding up share of chores, etc.)
-not being assertive in bed (KEY)
-being into S&M and other stuff in bed, that the girl thinks is too far out
-getting angry/frustrated when he initiates sex, and girl is not in the mood
(KEY)
-being too predictable, not passionate
OK, there are some basic ones. I will now break these down to show you how I
would roughly respond to any of these complaints, in a way that I appear to be
sticking up for the BF, but am inadvertantly BFdestroying him. This is not the
sum total of the routine, but simply the raw fuel that you are employing, while
using standard *** kino/bodylanguage/tonality etc. Remember, that you may not
necessarily want to start escalating your sexual state, until she is convinced
that her BF is lame-ass, otherwise she may potentially realize that you are
trying to pull one over on her. This is not the rule, but simply something to
be considered based on your evaluation of the circumstance.
Jealousy:
"You have to understand that this guy really appreciates you, because you're
probably the best girl that he ever got, or ever will get. I know that... you
care about this guy (maybe sp)... but there's just a certain equilibrium where
if you've done this guy a favour by being with him and he's not equipped to
handle it, since he knows that he'll never get a girl like you again if he
walks out, that he's just constantly frustrated and panicked that you'll leave.
It's not his fault.