Beware the Pitfalls!

Señor Fingers

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Howdy Fellaz!

Fingers here with an important message for all you aspiring playas out there.

For starters, lemme just say that it's great that you found this place. A lot of you have really improved your game and I applaud you for this.

But I sense that many of you are still stuck in a rut, you have the understanding but lack the wisdom. The posts you read excite and motivate you, yet you get nowhere..you are essentially all c0ck and no balls!

I was once at this stage and I would like to share some of the things that were detrimental to my development in the hopes that maybe you can avoid falling into the same traps...

Without further ado, I give you:

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THE TRAPS OF SEDUCTION
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Trap #1 - Seducing for the Wrong Reasons

Why are you even here? What is it that you want? A seemingly simple question, yet I see a lot of lost souls here, even amongst the ranks of the so-called elite! Of all the mistakes I made, this was the worst. I wasn't chasing hotties for my personal benefit as much as for the social status it provided. I knew how it felt to envy the player, and for once I wanted to be the one who made them all jealous, or at least admire me. Doing this only clouded my vision because I was aiming to impress others instead of visualizing my own happiness. Who are you doing this for? Them, or you?

Trap #2 - Posting for the Wrong Reasons

As if this were not enough, I sought to win YOUR approval as well. Post after post I wrote and I got some great responses here and there. But most of it was ass-kissing...how I loved the validation...and how difficult it is for me to admit this! My gift for writing has masked the fact that I am no seduction guru. Yes, I am far more successful than I ever was and some of you might consider me to be a player if you met me IRL, but the sad truth is that I never let you guys see my vulnerable side. Pride kept me from asking for help and for this I do apologize. We should post to share knowledge and for the most part, I have only preached it.

Trap #3 - Sexual Addiction

So I finally got the women I wanted. Little did I know that it would never be enough. Funny thing is... I never wanted them as much as I needed their validation, proof that I was desirable to undo the years of bad self esteem. I became a fiend. Sarging became a daily vice because the high I got from my conquests was so short-lived. Never one to settle for less, I was always looking for the better girl..prettier, sexier, bigger ass, etc. I was also very competitive and was constantly trying to out-do my fellow players. It was exactly what I thought I wanted, but the truth is that I was never satisfied and the lifestyle began to consume me. As a result I found that my professional life began to suffer and it was humbling to recognize my depression for what it was. I finally got out of this phase by rediscovering my other passions in life. I forgot all about the natural high I would get from performing a great set, or creating a masterpiece. It may not be as intense as an orgasm, but the high definitely lasts a lot longer and there are only GOOD consequences!

Trap #4 - Distorted Perception of Women

After hooking up with lots of committed women (some of them married) I began to lose faith in womankind. I felt I could never trust a woman again, knowing what I knew. I didnt see the big picture though. The reason I was attracting these dodgy chicks was because of the circumstances of my approach. I was mostly doing club pickups and my aim was fast seduction. If a girl did not get with the program, I simply nexted her on the spot and managed to filter out the women who actually had some morals! Realize that your perception of those around you stems from the way you interact with them. There are some great women out there if you have the patience to discover them. Not all seduction has to be "fast"! Tailor your approach to fit your goals.

Trap #5 - Losing Focus

I have never been a player. My whole life, I have been more of a one-woman kind of guy. I always figured that I had better things to do than chase skirts. And I was right. Thinking back, these were the happiest and most productive times of my life! However, after getting rejected by my one-itis, I began to see my monogamous nature as a weakness, and this feeling is what brought me here. Now that I have tasted the PUA lifestyle, I realize that it really is not for me. As much as I wanted to believe I was a player, deep down I just wanted a woman to INSPIRE me, you know? Someone passionate who could shake up my world and push me to be better than what I am.... a soulmate, for lack of a better term. But somewhere along the way, I got distracted by the ego boost of random encounters. It consumed me, and while my love life flourished, the rest of me began to rot from the inside out. I lost a lot of great opportunities because of this and learned the hard way the balance is everything! The most important thing you can do for yourself is choose the things you want in your life and work towards them SIMULTANEOUSLY.

Trap #6 - Over Analysis

When you try to capture an experience with your logical mind while it is happening, you miss the joy of experiencing it! There is magic in every moment once you let go of your internal scientist and simply enjoy the ride! You already know this, but do you believe it? Seriously, put down your microscopes and savor this miracle we call existence! It is GREAT to be alive! Having this fun-loving attitude will make you much more attractive than any C&F, DLV, Negs, because they will flow out of you naturally! Need I say more?

Trap #7 - Forum Addiction

It was all too easy for me to get sucked into this trap. For one, I finally found a place where I could speak candidly about my experiences without fear of judgement...hell, you guys were cheering me on the whole time! Not to mention that a lot of you are really interesting/funny characters and I genuinely enjoy the insights you have to offer. This is great and all, but I noticed a pattern taking place. The more time I spent reading and posting, the more trouble I had picking up women. On the flip side, I have been most successful when my visits here were sparse. I guess the more you try to understand an artform, the more it eludes you! I noticed the same thing when I am creating music. When I am discussing scales with my musician friends, it all makes sense and I feel a level of understanding has been reached. But when I actually play the music, scales are the furthest things from my mind. I am simply playing around, discovering new things, and making my own rules! This is how the game should be played! (Uh...how long you been sitting there?)

Trap #8 - Being Too Smooth

All too often, I have messed up my chances by playing it too cool. Seduction became sort of a competition between me and women. This is a terrible frame because its supposed to be nature's dance, not a battle! I would bust, tease and mess around with girls, thinking that I was "upping their buying temperature" but little did I know that they were already hot for me and all these antics were not only unnecessary, but detrimental to the pickup! They didn't want someone to verbally spar with them all night..they wanted a fun-loving, take-charge guy who goes after what he wants. Plain and simple. I thought my game had to be suave and airtight in order to score, but that **** got blown away by a pattern of observations from my ex girlfriends. They said that they fell for me because I looked lost....huh? WTF does that mean? For months I pondered the implications of this till I found insight in "The Art of Seduction" Apparently I am what Robert Greene calls a "Natural Seducer" I draw women in by exuding a sort of helplessness, or need to be rescued. Not exactly Mr. Smooth, eh? But after talking with my girls and hearing them spit out the same response, I realized that Mr. Greene had my number! Trying to be something I wasn't was one of the biggest traps I ever fell into. Live and learn.

Trap #9 - Being an Assh0le

It sounds messed up, but for a time, I really enjoyed breaking hearts. It was like a big "fukk you" to all the girls who had ever done me wrong. I thought I was like...restoring the balance of the universe or some sh!t, but I was wrong. All I did was become the very thing I hated. I thought that jerks were the only ones that got laid while the nice guys got trusty ol Palmela Handerson. It took me time but now I see that a real man is above these labels. He is nice when he needs to be and is a total d!ck when it is called for. He rewards good and punishes evil. Sure, sometimes he makes a bad judgement call, but his intentions are true and at least he has something rare in this day and age...integrity!

Well, thats about all I could think of. I know this post is sort of a downer...not my most upbeat stuff, but I felt it had to be said and I welcome any criticism/feedback.

Most importantly, feel free to post the sticking points you have faced, how you overcame them and the lessons they taught you.

It's been real yall

signing off,

FINGZ
 

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I've been thinking something very similar recently after loosing a girl by over gaming.

I know exactly where you're comming from Fingers, I just put it down to developing as a person and realising some of your personal flaws in order to become the kind of man you want to be.

I've come to the realisation that sticking to some of the rules on this site is complete Bullshyte!! Master of the Universe also covers a this topic in his awesome post 'My CURRENT Thoughts on Seduction'.

Granted my success with women since finding this site has grown tenfold, but I wasn't being myself and lost out on some quality women by adopting too many of the ideas from this site, mainly by thinking that I was being clever by playing games to up her so called 'interest level'. I gamed a couple of girls so much that they thought that I wasn't interested in them, and gave up with me only to get together with some guy who a lot of people on here would call AFC. Who's the one nailing her eh??

The way I see it is, that if you're a cool guy and have your shyt together she will see it and will want to spend time with you. If you're not then she won't. It's as simple as that, the same goes with meeting people in general.

As regards girls and their tests, ok they are gonna test you and give you a chance to show her that you're a cool guy by not letting them phase you. If the tests continue and turn into games, just let her know in a calm way that you don't put up with such shyt and walk away. Who wants a silly girl who plays silly games anyway!!

I say just be natural with the girls, just like you would be with your close friends, if they're not interested then they're obviously not cool enough to realise what kind of guy you really are......need I say any more!!
 

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Actually fingz, this is one of the truest posts i've read in a long time... man it is like we are one the same page.

Longest time i'd read your posts and think "heh, i dig his style, i love same club pick ups, ****iness and being a "player"..

well, you know what bro.. now i am rethinking a lot of things..

Check this out. I am a sophmore in college... Our society tends to yell "College is where you fukk a lot of girls..yeah, easy *****!"

With all these messages, and constant hot girls around campus, you start thinking "Damn, what is wrong with me? I am not getting any, and it has been 3 weeks already!" ... It is more of a negative thing, because you somehow feel you should be out there sarging and macking.. It is this peace im trying to find, where i dont have to be looking at all the hot girls and wishing i was banging them..but was happy with myself.

Another thing..sex. Same situation, we are told it is great and how everyone should get some.. at the same time, sex is surrounded by so much shady sh1t, that sometime i wonder, "am i totally fukked up for doing this girl without a condom?"

Guys, this isnt one of those "I cant get girls....so im gonna pretend i dont want em"... If you really want to know what im talking about here about sex, sleep with a girl without a condom..then go get an HIV test..and just before doctor tells you the results...think back and go "Was it worth it?"



Let's learn to be happy without women fingz. Anyone else in?
 

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Oh ****, i know im double posting, but this has been bothering me for a long time, and it seems you gave me an answer.


It seems like all the girls i hook up with "been around"... i always thought.. hmm, why is it i attract a lot of "hoes"..

well..there is the answer. IM looking for quick *****, looking for ONS.. i am basically a man*****, so i attract sluts.


well, time to switch that sh1t up. I want a girl who i can rely on.
 

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Props to Senor Fingers

Nice post, my friend.

It takes a man, and only a man, to be capable of observing his situation and admiting to himself whatever reality exists.

As far as what you attract, like will attract like.

If you enable a quick hookup, then the woman will be same way as well.

The longer SHE holds out, the more likely it is she will stick around.

Everything posted on this site about women being sexual is true, but to GET to that point you have to believe it exists and cease the opportunity when it presents itself. The girls I've slept with, whom we had little more than a superficial connection, up and left once we were done the deed. Did I like that much? Not really.

In my arrogant opinion, sex is more fun the more you have it. However, cultivating the whorish lifestyle isn't, IMAO, fun. It's empty. You meet empty people. I've had some fun hookups, but looking back, the best times were, and are, had with friends, family, girls, I've known for awhile and where there exists mutual comfort.

I, like fingz, went on that rampage for sometime, spending night after night with my wingman sarging bars, malls, or the beach. It worked a good portion of the time, and when it didn't, we still had fun. But after months and months of downtime, I had to realize that:

I was no closer to my personal goals.
I had fights with my wingman over petty issues.
And was blowing off productive time that could be used pursuing my goals.

I firmly believe awareness is the difference of what separates our ages. When I was young, it was imagined to be "cool" to party and get "phucked" up. But as I did that, life passed me by and so did my potential. Now, I've dated girls who are 18 who single out my age of 24 as almost a liability to them. Automatically, younger girls "assume" that you either want to settle down or play them. There exists no middle ground for a relationship, so they continue off on their fog of life. To me, the road has only gotten better, as I've met better people. Heck, I even met a PornStar through one of my great work friends!

Balance.

I've stressed this in many of my posts. Some have succeeded, others have failed. One can't be so enraptured in a relationship to forget all of life. Nor can one be so enraptured by their work, or sarging, or lifting, to let their pursuits atrophy and die. If you swing from extreme to extreme, it will be like yo-yo dieting where you end up worse off than you were when you started.

Balance to me...is setting down your goals (your passions) and then creating some hurdle (big hairy goal to pursue). For instance...

If you ride a motorcycle, and totally love it, then consider going cross country to a bike show, like Daytona. That's what I'm planning for next year.

Or, if you have always wanted to get in shape, for more than just looking good, enter a triathalon or contest.

If you want to get good at pool, join a league and buy a stick. Up the anty, from just a hobby or a thought, to an action and a pursuit.

For me, I love golf. So i've set the golf of rejoining competition to someday enter as an Amateur and compete. Right now, I'm rejoining my local club and upgrading my set of irons and woods.

Our brains are goal-seeking mechanisms. If you think about it, all pieces of life are. We seek to survive and we're preprogrammed to go after something be it food, water, air, or even sex (reproduction). When the mind/spirit/body lacks that drive, no WONDER people are depressed and feel useless. Moreover, when the goal we seek is empty, SO TOO WILL WE BE EMPTY.

[Sorry to jack on the post, but when flashes of thoughts hit, I go with it]

Consider the voyage of seeking wealth. If it is done illegally, lets consider the outcome. Supposing you amass vast wealth from selling cocaine, what then?

You're an object of jealousy. SOMEONE will attempt to overthrow your power.
You've stepped on and killed plenty of people to get there.
People are with you, not of loyalty and respect, but of fear.

So what value does THIS GOAL have with respect to you, your life, or your emotions?

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Same with women. Yes, being GOOD with women is a worthy goal, but WITH GOOD women in GOOD SITUATIONS. I can name many bad situations that the excessive pursuit of women has brought me that made me, over an extended period of time, feel.

Your mind will follow it like a torpedo to the target. Be sure and clear of what you want, because with desire and action, YOU'LL GET IT.

My .02 cents.


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A-Unit
 

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I've noticed the same trend. I don't really gain much benefit from coming to this forum anymore because after a while you learn there aren't any magic secrets, it's worthless to plan, and there aren't any true players on this forum. It's all just a big mental masturbation party. Not that the forum doesn't have its benefits because it certainly helps guys learn about confidence and valuing themselves, but after that, it doesn't offer much. I don't want to ever write a post about a specific situation again. I kinda look at it like learning to drive a car or do anything new. You take a few months to learn, but then you don't even think about it anymore. A year after you're learning to drive, you're not going to come to the forum asking if you should put your right turn signal on 100 yds or 50 yds from the stopsign. That's pretty much what guys here do. I'm guilty of this myself, but I vow not to do it again.

I'm sick of reading all these damn theorists, too. Pook wrote all the theories anyone would possibly need, we don't need A-clones.

I always liked your posts, Fingers. They're always fresh and this one didn't disappoint either. The point you made about looking lost really interested me. I often look the same way. I naturally have this bored, lost look, where I'm staring into the distance. For some reason, these really seems to attract the really social, outgoing girls. I guess it's a mystery thing, but it baffles me. I'm a very shy guy, yet these flirty, outgoing girls all seem to want to grab onto me.
 

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Brilliant, and just the kinda insight I myself have carefully glansed at, but fingers.....man, you just put the whole damn sun in my face...sincerily:

thank you....:cool:
 

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Props.

I've found myself falling into every single one of these traps, especially the last one. If you've been treated like crap by girls for so long, you get to harboring a lot of resentment. And when you find that you have power over them for once...well, we've all done it. Thank you for posting this, seriously.

-Dan
 

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One thing im happy about is that i havent fallen into all this seduction technique bull**** like many i see who are into it on this board. The amount of posts i see about how you should play the game like this, like that is just too much. All these techniques will just give your brain a mad overload when playing on a girl. Fuk it and just go with the flow. Be a man.

Oneonone's whole post said it perfectly. The mains things ive learnt from this site was to gain some real confidence and yeh to basically just value myself more as a person.

Even though this site is probably designed for these seduction techniques, i just come on this site to read posts like these and A-Unit's posts. These are the posts that are making me realise.. and improve.
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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I've just read 4 great posts back to back between you and pook. This is probably the most golden and productive season in sosuave history.

Good insight. :)
 

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Now that I've read this, I've seen myself in almost every one of these traps and I think nearly everyone does at one point. Good **** man.
 

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You know whats really funny? Sometimes I pop into the forum and I'll see a post from Fingz that I never saw before. And when that time comes it is usually when I am questioning a situation and suddenly that post anwsers all questions!

For instance on trap #9!

sometimes he makes a bad judgement call, but his intentions are true and at least he has something rare in this day and age...integrity!
Bro, you are so right its scary. I met this girl recently. I actually made a post on it because I felt I got $hit tested. Haven't talked to her in about 4-5 days and I doubt we'll ever brace each other's voices together again. Long story short I called her out on her test and she hung up the phone. I felt maybe I did make that bad judgement call, and just let her have it a little too much. But you know what? I had integrity! I told her I needed to be respected! Reading that little part told me alot about what I did and why I did it.
 

Create self-fulfilling prophecies. Always assume the positive. Assume she likes you. Assume she wants to talk to you. Assume she wants to go out with you. When you think positive, positive things happen.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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