Beta Male Other Guy, Being Professinal at Work, And a Girl I'm Interested In

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So, I organized a XMas party last night at a very nice upscale hotel's restaurant in Santa Monica. I had been working with a really nice young lady who has a French accent. I rarely lend any credence to a woman over the phone though because I've had bad experiences with that. Me on the other hand, get told I have a sexy voice and usually pique the interest of most of the women I speak to.

Anyhow, the day before our event I get a little friendlier with her and wrap up a couple details. It's a very pricey dinner so I wanted to make sure everything was right. It may be customary for a party this large, but she offered to buy me a drink if I got to the event a little early. I thought to myself that that was a nice gesture but didn't think too much of it. Like I said, I've had bad experiences with girls over the phone. I hate thinking the girl I'm talking to is hot, only to be let down when I see her.

Well the dinner was to start at 7:00pm. I'd been driving from a different hotel only about 15 miles away. I didn't anticipate traffic so I actually got there at about 7:15pm. I wasn't so much trying to get to the hotel early for her sake as I was just anxious to make sure everything went well.

So when I show up I get introduced to her by one of our awesome Executives. I had made the girl feel a wee-bit uncomfortable because of her accent. I could tell she was a little shy when she was trying to say something so I just told her it was cute in a little girl kind of way. So when this Exec finally introduces us the girl points at me and tells the Exec that I was making fun of her. I just chuckle and thank her for all her help. She told me she had waited for me since 6:30pm and had been working for 12 hours that day. I told her to just go home and get some sleep, that she looked tired. I would be speaking to her the next day anyway.

Anyhow none of these details are really all that important, I just want to illustrate that I was never once needy, I was in control of myself, and had zero expectations. I kept my demeanor professional and positive.

So today I walk in to my office after a successful dinner and this loser coworker of mine asks me for her number and email address. At first I laughed at him and asked why. He just thought she was good looking (which she is). But this guy can't hold a candle to me. He's ugly, balding, much older, and his personality stinks. He's not even a "real" employee and I get the pleasure of firing him in the next month.

Now I guess in a sense this is partly my fault. I never laid "claim" to her - then again, can you ever lay "claim"? And, in my efforts to keep my standing professional, have potentially given off an air of disinterest.

So now I'm stuck between having met what seems like a "quality" girl and another guy trying to hit on her.

My first instinct is to just ask her out and beat him to the punch.

But do you think my efforts to keep my standing positive and professional worked against me?
 

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Everything seemed okay until I read:

"I told her to just go home and get some sleep, that she looked tired."

And I'm wondering if being told one looks "tired" could be taken as being insulting, ya know? Even if it's true. It just seems that and sort of dismissive to tell her to "go home" after she said she had been waiting for you after working 12 hours.

this loser coworker of mine asks me for her number and email address. At first I laughed at him and asked why. He just thought she was good looking (which she is). But this guy can't hold a candle to me.
I've seen bald, ugly, overweight older men do well with women. They can't rely on looks for initial attraction so they survive on skill. But on the basis that he asked YOU for her number, that's a guy that can't fend for himself.

So now I'm stuck between having met what seems like a "quality" girl and another guy trying to hit on her.

My first instinct is to just ask her out and beat him to the punch.
Other guys will always be there hitting on women. Always. Just as sure as salmon will always be swimming upstream to mate.

But beating another guy to the punch... aside from I don't think you need be concerned with that particular guy, I think that even if she started seeing someone else, that if she's more interested in you, she'll find an excuse to see you.
 

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Mr. Me said:
Everything seemed okay until I read:

"I told her to just go home and get some sleep, that she looked tired."

And I'm wondering if being told one looks "tired" could be taken as being insulting, ya know? Even if it's true. It just seems that and sort of dismissive to tell her to "go home" after she said she had been waiting for you after working 12 hours.
Well, I think you're right. It was sort of dismissive. I was just acting out of sympathy and I may not have communicated that well.

I've seen bald, ugly, overweight older men do well with women. They can't rely on looks for initial attraction so they survive on skill. But on the basis that he asked YOU for her number, that's a guy that can't fend for himself.
There are other examples I can provide to illustrate his beta behavior. But I get what you're saying about skill working well enough to trump below average looks. I however thought it was important to highlight his below average looks because, contrary to what a lot of PUAs may try to hype people into believing, looks don't play an insignificant role.

Other guys will always be there hitting on women. Always. Just as sure as salmon will always be swimming upstream to mate.
That's a good way to put it. I've never thought about it like that.

But beating another guy to the punch... aside from I don't think you need be concerned with that particular guy, I think that even if she started seeing someone else, that if she's more interested in you, she'll find an excuse to see you.
Well while I was writing this thread she sent me an email. She kept it professional and I acted in kind. This time I actually asked her a couple more personal questions. If she bites and returns the convo I'll just give her a call and arrange something.

Thanks for the reply!
 

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Beta: Hey, give me her number & email.
You: No.

/thread. Seriously, what's there to discuss? Grow a pair and tell him no. It's that simple.
 

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Nutz said:
Beta: Hey, give me her number & email.
You: No.

/thread. Seriously, what's there to discuss? Grow a pair and tell him no. It's that simple.
My office environment is much, much too P.C. for that.

Oh, and he caught me by surprise.
 

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wjh said:
My office environment is much, much too P.C. for that.

Oh, and he caught me by surprise.
If the office is so P.C., then why would he ask for her number and email because she's "attractive" but you couldn't tell him no? It doesn't make sense, but anyway Mr. Me I think nailed it.
 

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ketostix said:
If the office is so P.C., then why would he ask for her number and email because she's "attractive" but you couldn't tell him no? It doesn't make sense, but anyway Mr. Me I think nailed it.
Why do you think he's being fired?

It's a combination of not creating a scene, he's a weird guy, and also being caught by surprise. It's just not something I'm used to, especially in this office environment.

This guy does and says things that annoy me. (I take that back, not just me, everyone else too).
 

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Danger said:
If he's being fired for behaviour similar to this, then you should still have no problem saying no. Tell him you can't give out her number and email address to someone in that manner as it could reflect poorly on you. If he wants it, he should go to the hotel or wherever he can find her and ask for it himself.

There is nothing not PC about this response. If you consider that a bad response due to PC reasons, then there is something in this situation that you are failing to tell us.
No, you're correct.

Let me clarify... Because of the PC environment, I have to be very careful with how I speak and what I say. This guy isn't aware of the impact of his words, and how it does not mesh well at all with our office culture.

When he asked, I was caught by surprise and did not exactly know how to respond.

You're right though, saying no and explaining the situation as you described would have been the best course of action to take. I wish I would have thought about that immediately but I didn't.
 

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wjh said:
Well while I was writing this thread she sent me an email. She kept it professional and I acted in kind. This time I actually asked her a couple more personal questions. If she bites and returns the convo I'll just give her a call and arrange something.
A lot of the woman that I have known have initiated and perpetuated contact via pretexts.
What better disguise than a "professional" exchange with you.
Assume IL from her, and escalate. I think that the window of opportunity is wide open.
 
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Be honest here, a Alpha male could care less about the other guy. His mission is to seek and conquer. That girl wanted you bro and you told her to go home. Man I would have been all over her. I rather get turn down then try my hand.
 

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Nelford said:
Be honest here, a Alpha male could care less about the other guy. His mission is to seek and conquer. That girl wanted you bro and you told her to go home. Man I would have been all over her. I rather get turn down then try my hand.
What part of being "professional" and being in a work environment (or surrounded by Executives) do you not understand?

Does the term "hostile work environment" mean anything to you? What about "zero tolerance policy"?

BTW: I'm not so bothered by the BMOG that I feel my world is going to collapse and I should accept Jesus into my heart before I get damned to an eternal lake of fire. He's just annoying.
 

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It sounds like you are in a managerial position at your job. Just as I am. What is important is that you excercise discretion. Before you give contact information to another entity, you must make sure that the contact is ok with his/her information being disseminated. There are so many sneaky things that you could do to prevent him from getting anywhere with this girl and still not have to take responsibility for it. You could give him the general number for her business, where there will be a secretary who will filter him. You could fabricate a company policy on the spot that says:

"while I appreciate your interest in our business contact, our policy prohibits the exchange of information about our clients to potentially competitive entities. This includes, but is not limited to; full names, numbers, addresses and other pertinent contact information which could forseeably be used in a manner which would detract from the companies reputation to current and future clients"

That should shut him up for good. The nice thing about business is that you get to be callous and distance yourself through infinite beauracracy. A nice way of saying you can stomp on people and not have to feel guilty. So, stomp away
 

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LOL, thanks Duff. That was hilarious.

I haven't had a chance to talk with her, I'm swamped. She responded to the email I sent and gave me the simple IOIs I wanted to see before bothering with her.

Funny thing is, the BMOG sent me an email this morning again asking for her number. I walked over to his office and told him I was going to actually be having a drink with her soon (unless she flat out rejects me but she's already offered twice so I doubt it). He said he understood and said he wasn't "hating" on me. Uh, ok. Like I care whether or not you're "hating on a playa dawg".
 

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Why don't you just tell him her number is not yours to give out without her consent.
 
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