Best kind of diet for straight up fat loss?

[DIESEL]

Originally posted by enkai
Diesel, you can't say that...Everyone is different and responds differently, I tried the low - to mod carb, mod fat, and high protein and it didn't work, so I took down the fat and bam fat started to fly off, so everyone respnonds differently, maybe he's got a condition or something that prevents him from loosing fat, either that or he didn't do it right.

Nah... I'm almost positive he didn't do it right. An effective cutting diet is very technical, with a lot of planning and timing issues involved, and, to be honest, I highly doubt he undertook the planning to calculate the exact number of calories he needed to be taking in and also wonder about his exercise routine.

The point is that if you follow the guide, it's almost a mathematical impossibility that you don't lose any weight after two weeks. The point being that if you didn't lose any weight after the first week, that you make the proper adjustments, and even if you didn't lose weight after the second week (highly unlikely) you would still make more adjustments.

This also does not take into the account the fact that as a rookie lifter he may have put on muscle mass that cancelled out his fat loss... so of course the scale said he didn't lose weight, but he is in fact leaner. A very real possibility

Also, given the nature of most of Boricua's posts he doesn't seem like he was too experienced in the training department. The cutting diet is designed for more experienced lifters looking to get into competition shape (i.e. mid single digit bodyfat) and not for clueless rookies - I'm not really that surprised he fukked it up. It's possible for a rookie to do it, if HE FOLLOWS IT TO THE LETTER, but I think that most people want to tweak it to what they like, and hence the possibility for fukk ups arises.

But this is all conjecture, the fact remains... if done correctly it works, big time.

Also, as soon as he gets off CKD all the weight will come right back on, big time. And that's why those lo-carb diets blow. Better to change your eating habits for life, than rely on some sketchy gimmick.

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[enkai]

Originally posted by DIESEL
Nah... I'm almost positive he didn't do it right. An effective cutting diet is very technical, with a lot of planning and timing issues involved, and, to be honest, I highly doubt he undertook the planning to calculate the exact number of calories he needed to be taking in and also wonder about his exercise routine.

The point is that if you follow the guide, it's almost a mathematical impossibility that you don't lose any weight after two weeks. The point being that if you didn't lose any weight after the first week, that you make the proper adjustments, and even if you didn't lose weight after the second week (highly unlikely) you would still make more adjustments.

This also does not take into the account the fact that as a rookie lifter he may have put on muscle mass that cancelled out his fat loss... so of course the scale said he didn't lose weight, but he is in fact leaner. A very real possibility

Also, given the nature of most of Boricua's posts he doesn't seem like he was too experienced in the training department. The cutting diet is designed for more experienced lifters looking to get into competition shape (i.e. mid single digit bodyfat) and not for clueless rookies - I'm not really that surprised he fukked it up. It's possible for a rookie to do it, if HE FOLLOWS IT TO THE LETTER, but I think that most people want to tweak it to what they like, and hence the possibility for fukk ups arises.

But this is all conjecture, the fact remains... if done correctly it works, big time.

Also, as soon as he gets off CKD all the weight will come right back on, big time. And that's why those lo-carb diets blow. Better to change your eating habits for life, than rely on some sketchy gimmick.

D

Yeah, you're 110% right, when on a low carb diet insulin receptors retard them selves from lack of insulin signaling carbs, so when you go back to carbs those receptors go off like crazy and thus spike insulin way out of proportion storing fat, besides a ton of studies show that you can loose maximum of 2 lbs of fat a aweek anymore is muscle, water, etc...so when one can eat nicely and workout nicely, why do a ton to get the same results.

 

[Boricua_33015]

Desiel you are right. I did not follow the guide EXACTLY to the letter.

It has alot of math and I really don't feel like cutting so many calories.

On CKD, I never get up to the recommended amount of calories I SHOULD be taking because with this diet, I am always full, and I am STILL under the calorie mark.

You can eat alot more with CKD.... but theres not much variety and its a very plain diet. Only meats and fat.

As for the insulin spike that you mentnioned enkai. After I am satisfied with the diet, I am going to slowly go back to carbs over a period of a week or so. Then Ill try the Desiels cutting guide and follow it exactly how its supposed to be done so I can have lower body fat.

The reason why I am doing CKD right now is because it works faster for me. Since I am in school I want to lose weight faster, before I graduate at LEAST. If I try Desiels cutting guide, itll take me about a year or more to get to my desired weight.

I started out at 230, and now Im at 213.

If I was on Desiels cutting plan I probably would be in 220 right now. In a period of what 4 g0damn weeks!?

Not to mention.... along with all the excercise I do. Walking 3 miles home 5 days a week from school, along with running for 20 - 25 minutes 4 times a week. About twice out of those 4 times I do my own version of HIIT. Plus I heavy weight train at least twice a week (my muscles take long to recover). My fvcking work better pay off!

I know Desiels cutting guide is better in the long run.... but I want to lose weight NOW, so I at least can fullfill my goal of at least losing my f0kking virginity before I graduate.

 

[enkai]

Originally posted by Boricua_33015
Desiel you are right. I did not follow the guide EXACTLY to the letter.

It has alot of math and I really don't feel like cutting so many calories.

On CKD, I never get up to the recommended amount of calories I SHOULD be taking because with this diet, I am always full, and I am STILL under the calorie mark.

You can eat alot more with CKD.... but theres not much variety and its a very plain diet. Only meats and fat.

As for the insulin spike that you mentnioned enkai. After I am satisfied with the diet, I am going to slowly go back to carbs over a period of a week or so. Then Ill try the Desiels cutting guide and follow it exactly how its supposed to be done so I can have lower body fat.

The reason why I am doing CKD right now is because it works faster for me. Since I am in school I want to lose weight faster, before I graduate at LEAST. If I try Desiels cutting guide, itll take me about a year or more to get to my desired weight.

I started out at 230, and now Im at 213.

If I was on Desiels cutting plan I probably would be in 220 right now. In a period of what 4 g0damn weeks!?

Not to mention.... along with all the excercise I do. Walking 3 miles home 5 days a week from school, along with running for 20 - 25 minutes 4 times a week. About twice out of those 4 times I do my own version of HIIT. Plus I heavy weight train at least twice a week (my muscles take long to recover). My fvcking work better pay off!

I know Desiels cutting guide is better in the long run.... but I want to lose weight NOW, so I at least can fullfill my goal of at least losing my f0kking virginity before I graduate.

You should know that your looks really will take you only so far when it comes to getting chix, your looks are a good ice breaker that's about it. Anyhow...since you're walking home and stuff for that many miles, maybe you should just drop HIIT cardio, you know you can over train in which you probably are and cause extreme stress on your bodies systems, such as the immune system and so forth...Which can halt all fat and in most cases retain more fat then if you were not doing a thing, if I was in your shoes I would take a week off and eat let my resting metabolic rate recover and my body to recover and then go back to it. You have to realize that you can not drop 10 lbs, 5 lbs, or 4, maximum is I say 2.5 lbs, so why bother doing all that extra work trying to loose more then 2.5 lbs a week. It honestly doesn't matter what you weigh when you step on the scale, visiually is what matters and what the fat calipers tell you week after week, so relax and don't rush it, your imperfection is that you have some extra fat on you, but there are other things you can perfect.

 

[DIESEL]

I would say that if you are on a low-carb diet you should NOT be doing HIIT cardio. What you are going to use for fuel if you have no glycogen in the blood?? It sounds like a recipe for catabolism (muscle loss) to me.

 

[Boricua_33015]

You guys are right.

I did my version of HIIT today and.... well 14 hours later (now) I am freaking pooped out right now. I am really fatigued.

Well.... this week was my last week of school.

I wont be walking home anymore until maybe next summer.

Ill have a bus to take me to and from school in 2 weeks when real school starts.

As for the cardio.... Ill just do my regular 20 minute jog.... though always the last couple minutes I sprint for about 30 seconds like I always do. I sprint on this long road leading to my house. Seeing my house provides motivation for the sprint. Thats like the grand finale to the cardio workout.

 

[enkai]

Originally posted by Boricua_33015
You guys are right.

I did my version of HIIT today and.... well 14 hours later (now) I am freaking pooped out right now. I am really fatigued.

Well.... this week was my last week of school.

I wont be walking home anymore until maybe next summer.

Ill have a bus to take me to and from school in 2 weeks when real school starts.

As for the cardio.... Ill just do my regular 20 minute jog.... though always the last couple minutes I sprint for about 30 seconds like I always do. I sprint on this long road leading to my house. Seeing my house provides motivation for the sprint. Thats like the grand finale to the cardio workout.

Good job man, just keep doing it...fat loss takes a while and it's a mentally challenging proccess, I myself am cutting right now and the other day I told everyone I would quit cuz I couldn't take it anymore, I looked in the mirror tho and getting nicely ripped kept me going, and now i'm back into it.

 

[Boricua_33015]

I look in the mirror and see that FAT **** looking back at me with feirce eyes.

That gives me enough motivation.

All the anger I have goes into my excercise.

 

[Demon]

Originally posted by Krassus
Wow. Now there's a REALLY stupid article! *looks at abs* Yep, no evidence. *rolls eyes*

Wow. Now there's a REALLY stupid person! *looks in Krassus' head* Yep, empty.

If you want defined abs, you're going to have to work them like any other muscle. This thread is about diet not exercise.

 

[DIESEL]

Originally posted by Demon


If you want defined abs, you're going to have to work them like any other muscle. This thread is about diet not exercise.

Actually, if you want defined abs you have to bring your bodyfat levels into the single digits. That and not exercise is what gives you defined abs. You can perform ab exercises to infinity and you'll never have "defined abs" if you're a fat fukk. Besides, if you perform squats, deads, and other basic multijoint exercises without a weight belt your abs are getting plenty of work.

 

[enkai]

Originally posted by DIESEL
Actually, if you want defined abs you have to bring your bodyfat levels into the single digits. That and not exercise is what gives you defined abs. You can perform ab exercises to infinity and you'll never have "defined abs" if you're a fat fukk. Besides, if you perform squats, deads, and other basic multijoint exercises without a weight belt your abs are getting plenty of work.

You know the guy who has the world record of sit ups, I think it's like 20 thousand sit ups or something, this guy has no abs...no joke, this guy has a fat gut...I rarely workout my abs, but do lota squats and deadlifts without the belt so I get em worked decently like that.

 

[Templeton]

Originally posted by Boricua_33015
Youd have to know about CKD to get what I am talking about.




Happily, I have never needed to go into a state of ketosis to drop bodyfat although I understand it just fine. I was perplexed as to how a post-workout carb up by it's very nature could be before a workout. I think I was questioning your use of the language.

 

[Demon]

Originally posted by DIESEL
Actually, if you want defined abs you have to bring your bodyfat levels into the single digits. That and not exercise is what gives you defined abs. You can perform ab exercises to infinity and you'll never have "defined abs" if you're a fat fukk. Besides, if you perform squats, deads, and other basic multijoint exercises without a weight belt your abs are getting plenty of work.

Sure, but if all you have is definition (without strong muscles), then you're just a posterboy for your local Catholic choirboy bodybuilding competitions.