Best Friend Betrayed Me

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Make a new friend dude. Get rid of this dude, and count your 175$ as a loss.
The quickest way to lose friends is loan money to them, live with them, drugs, or woman.
Your going to lose alot more friends as you get older, but you'll make new to replace the old. I'm 28 now, and not friends with any of the people i grew up with. I'm not saying i wont stop and talk to them if i run into them, but i dont call them to hang out. Life and people change, its inevitable. As people grow they change, and you never know who they will become, its why its called growing up.
 

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So you want me to get rid of both of them?!

Ok then you're gonna have to give me some tip on where to make some friend as trustworthy as them....
 

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Originally posted by SourFox
Dude, I think you should NEXT this guy. Don't use his age, or the amount of time you have known him, to excuse his behavior. He is acting like a 7 yr old, not a 17 yr old. I don't think you can really do anything to snap him out of it. He is using you even worse than a chick uses her AFC slave.
Hehe this is coming from a guy named Fox. I guess that's why. Lone Wolf.

Anyhow I can't stand being alone for the rest of my life without letting one person know who the hell I am.
 

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Originally posted by cyo72
Hey.. .

my post may get lost among the others but I can feel you dude.

It won't. I tend to reach out to everyone I can and then select a few.
One of my best friends since the age of two stole my car when I was away on vacation. He also had people over at my place. (My family and I asked him to come by and run errands).

Anyways, he stabbed me in the back and dude.. it took time to lose the frustration and spitefulness, but the key is to come out the bigger man. Learn from it because thats really all you can do.
Man I can't believe people are this greedy. That's why they lose some meat and blood for this. They go out, don't believe what true words mean and get hurt and then come home and complain.
The fact is, after all this... he lost all the respect he had, and I have come out as the bigger man. Anyways, good luck with this.
Hehe, had two best friend with the same experience become best friend will become best friend for this. I guess there's nothing much I can do except ditch them and take risk by myself. Big risk.
 

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Close this thread and then ban this kid.

What have you ever contributed to this forum?

I at least offer advice in the H/F and DJ forum when I can. You?
 

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Now you know a little bit about life Saine.

I'm a little older than you are. I'm in university now, recently started. But not too long ago I was in a similar situation. Saine, if you think your situation was bad, read this.

Early in my junior year in high school (also around the time I found this site, though I never really read it much until last year). I had one "friend"(note the quotes) who from now on I will refer to as L. L was a bit of a crazy sort, but if there was anything that he was good at doing, it was making people like him. I was very susceptable to this at the time because back then I had no friends at all. Not one. OK perhaps two, but I very rarely hung out with them because of schedule conflicts (and now one of them is dead, I will miss him dearly).

Desperate for friends, I gave L a chance. He seemed pretty cool, and we hung out a lot and seemed like best friends for a while (though you can't really say that because we didn't know each other that long). To give you an idea for what a loser I was back then, I loaned him some money so he could get a ring to add to the his girlfriend's collection (she already had a significant collection that he gave her). And on top of all that, his girlfriend was three years younger than he was and was also a "dirty slut" (no joke, and this girl is currently pregnant at the age of sixteen). But despite loaning him the money and his taking a good long while to pay it back, I still continued to be his friend.

He started winning over a lot of people I knew and even helped out with the my Recycle Program, something I did in high school which I lead and ran. He even tried to start a business, getting an office and all of that. And one guess for who helped him pay for the security deposit and supplied him with a plethora of computer equipment? Yours truely. It worked out for him to do this for a few months, but eventually tension started to swell, and people were beginning to start missing things. It turns out that L was stealing from people and using people. Eight families were burned by L. In one family the mother was robbed of her jewelry collection, the older daughter had fraudulent checks against her account (the checks bounced, by the way), and the younger daughter lost her CD collection. Another family L fixed their computer so only he could change the administrative functions (if you aren't computer savvy trust me that is a serious matter). One kid I know L swindled him out of $3,000. That kid's mother gave him $3,000 to make up for the loss but then she pressed charges on L shortly afterwards on behalf of the eight families who were burned by him. He also robbed a computer store to get a laptop, because of course he didn't want to buy it. He also "borrowed" people's cars without asking them, but instead just used them without their knowledge. That last thing never happened to me, as no one is able to get me to trust them with my car keys. But that gives you an idea of how easily he was able to make people like him and trust him, a true operator. But needless to say near the end of our "friendship," that "business" of his was using my computer equipment (except for one computer), so one day I just drove my truck up to the "office" (he apparently thought I was trustworthy enough that I had a key to the "office") and removed every single last piece of equipment that was mine (since I'm honest, though L isn't. I even let him have a few cables). Shortly after, I used the "office" key to bargain for my P.O. Box key (in my foolishness he convinced me to get him a copy of the key to my P.O. Box so we could share it, though he never helped me pay for it).

Soon after, the one kid who lost $3,000 to L, his mother was pressing serious charges against L. Defaulting on the lease on the "office" and his mobile phone plan was the least of his problems (though his credit is now shot since he was only 18 at the time). And though L did go to jail for a year (effectively dropping out of high school), would you believe that there were still people who believed his lies, people who visited him in jail. I feared the day that he was due to be released from jail. I still remember it was six days before high school graduation (which he went to despite a restraining order, but more on that later). He called my parents' house several times while he was in jail, trying to get people to vouch for him. My parents never picked up his calls, but he thought that I thought he was a great guy (though I knew better at the time).

Remember his slut girlfriend? They did break up a month or so before he went to jail, and she had a restraining order on him. Guess what? He violated it, because he was a huge AFC deeply in love. I'll also throw this in: Her mother hated him and wanted to charge him for statutory rape.

There was also another restraining order, that states that after he is released from jail, he cannot come within 100 yards of my high school, or within 100 yards of any school event (like a football game that was off-campus or Prom), and that this was effective for two years after his release. This order was because of the terrible things he did to all of those families.

Well..that summer after he got out, he tried many times to call me, though only once he actually got through. He tried to be all friendly-like as if he was still my friend (and no mention of the money he owed me, naturally). I told him that I was moving out of my parents' house, but didn't say when I was going to move out or where to (all he knew is that it was an apartment in this town, and this is a big town). Since then I've avoided him, which is easy since we don't go to the same school, have the same hangouts, or have the same friends. I've gotten a new number since then, and declined to tell him what it is. He IMs me occasionally, but apart from that he leaves me alone now.

I just realized that this thing which was going to be short, turned out to be quite long. I apologize for it's length, but it won't be much longer.

The really sickening thing about this incident, is not so much as how I let myself get screwed over (though that was bad and will never happen to me again). But how L screwed over so many people. Just what an operator he was, how everyone thought he was the greatest thing in the world, but then backstabbed and robbed everyone he met. Though it did tell me one thing: [iHow well you can get people to like you can make a major difference in your life, whether it be positive or negative. People loved him despite the fact he had a felony on his record, and his acheivements were minimal. People gave him a chance much, much bigger than what any one man had any right to have. But he still screwed it up.

L also owed me $550 at one point, but so far has only paid $50 of it back making that $500. I don't ever count on ever getting that money back, and the disgusting part is that I was actually one of the lucky ones. He never got into my computers (I'm too computer savvy and I would know what's going on), grabbed every last cent I had, or stole something irreplacable with serious sentimental value.

This incident, combined with earlier incidents during my childhopd, has quite unfortunately caused me to be a little cynical and critical of others. I'm still pleasant to others, but I rarely trust them with anything significant. I'm always on the watch for ulterior selfish motives on the part of others. I don't try to get telephone numbers from women (or anyone for that matter) very often (the last time I attempted to receive a number from a woman was months ago around late August or so), but whenever I do I always do as much research as possible on the number to see if it really is the correct number, or if it matches their location just to see if they lied to me. Even if the number does seem like it could be real, nine times out of ten I still don't call the number.

Yes, that may seem rather anti-social, but at least people's crap don't seem to affect me anymore (though "people" with no manners or class continue to annoy me to no end, that scum are nastier than gutter dirt or last year's garbage and just shouldn't be here).

This was a long and roundabout way of saying this, but Saine:

You have to be critical of people if you don't know them, yet still be pleasant and nice (not in a nice guy sense or you'll be used like I was) or else you'll never make any friends.

And:

Yes, your situation wasn't fun, but nevertheless there's always someone who has been screwed over even worse than you were and still turns out fine.

That is all.

Ben

P.S. I just noticed that the maximum message length is 10,000 characters, and that I just used 9,000 characters in writing this huge post. I don't think I have ever written any post longer than this before. Shall I push for 10,000? Shall I? Sure! Let's go....

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Just kidding.
 

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I'm amazed. Thanks Abbott for the story. For as long as LL the conman can last, he will do it. It's a lesson learned but I just feel something is different.

This situation is different from the others. LL at the very beginning had charisma to play you. My friend David had nothing. I basically felt sorry for him. People said he was ugly. People dissed him and made fun of him.

I was there. I saw everything. When we entered hs. I totally changed him. Changed the way he dressed and the way he looked. One mistake I made was to let him get involved with my friends. Never let one group of friend meet up with another. That means never let your girl meet your guy friends.

I never knew one thing, he always wanted to be a gangster. He was kind of like that guy in "Malibu's Most Wanted" except he doesn't walk that way.

He found his "gangster family love" and is stuck with them. He is pretty much disrespecting me by saying "I am not going to hang out with you much but I still trust you and love you" simply because he still call me by "bro". Had I knew he was too immature for that kind of friend relationship, I would have let him stayed home with no friends but his gay friends in his class.

We'll see how things get around here. I have to try to get out of this hole before I even think about completely getting rid of them.
 

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men tend not to trust anyone with their girl except their best friend.

women tend to trust total strangers with her man before she would trust her best grilfriend with him.
 

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Originally posted by Saine
I'm amazed. Thanks Abbott for the story....
You're welcome.

Originally posted by Saine
.... He is pretty much disrespecting me by saying "I am not going to hang out with you much but I still trust you and love you" simply because he still call me by "bro"......
Then why do you still try to be his friend? Call the $175 a loss. You could've lost much more (Personally I lost $500, and others lost still more). You'll feel better about yourself, and your life will be better. It's better not to have any friends than "friends" like this one. It's disappointing to see people change for the worse like David did, but if that happens then you have to respond accordingly.

I once did have a "friend" who I will call T. T wasn't anywhere nearly as bad as L, but T never seemed to respect me, and sometimes even tried to put me down. T went to my HS and now goes to my university. He often referred to my not-so-hot reputation in HS despite the fact that I've changed a lot since then. The only reason why I gave him a chance was because I believed in giving everyone a fair chance (something I don't seem to do much anymore. I now try to see if someone has certain traits that I don't like, kind of like pretty women and their "tests."). Whenever T did something disrespectful to me and I said anything about it, he sucked up to me and said he was sorry and yada yada. I stopped being his "friend" because:

I made the iron-clad decision that having and getting respect is something that I will be completely inflexible about (and if you're a real man you'll be inflexible about that too). Since making that decision, I have felt much better. I feel more like a man now that I don't let people use me like that.

What T got away with (much less than what L got away with), no one with ever get away with doing ever again.

I think you should quit being "friends" with David. If what you said is true about David, then he's not your friend anymore. He's your "friend," and that's not the same thing as a friend. You will feel much better without these "friends" in your life.

Originally posted by Saine
We'll see how things get around here. I have to try to get out of this hole before I even think about completely getting rid of them.
OK but I think part of the solution is not to be "friends" with David anymore. About John: Keep being friends with him, and certainly don't hate him for desiring to continue being David's friend (John doesn't know better, or so you said).

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Originally posted by iqqi
saine, answer this: what do you like about david? be honest and objective.
Hm... pretty much nothing except I feel so sorry for him. So sorry that I feel that's that.
 

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Abbott

Ok I will do that. David is gone. Or at least 90%.

Now John... got to find a way to convince that fag... lol.

penkitten

Is that so? That's not so good for the man's race. Heh.
 

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Originally posted by iqqi
that isn't your job.

saine, are you bossy and controlling? are you forgiving or uncompromising? are you narrowminded?
None of those. Actually the opposite as long as people don't resort to insulting with names and racism.

Yes I'm very forgiveful, you can notice I am not willing to give up the relationship yet. Not 110% of it.
 

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Originally posted by Saine
None of those. Actually the opposite as long as people don't resort to insulting with names and racism.
i don't know, saine. you seem hung up on another man's decision to make that has nothing to do with you.

and hung up on another man's choice of clothing and friends.

i am trying to be objective, nothing personal against you, overall i like you.
 

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Originally posted by iqqi
i don't know, saine. you seem hung up on another man's decision to make that has nothing to do with you.

and hung up on another man's choice of clothing and friends.

i am trying to be objective, nothing personal against you, overall i like you.
Blah. I'm not hung up over his choice of clothing, I'm just saying he went down the drain. Down the class.

Dressing gangster isn't "high class" nor is it a smart thing to do.

It doesn't even look good!
 
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