Best Friend Betrayed Me

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Ok, I guess this will be the first of the few times I will ever need help on something. It's not an issue with women (and never will be...).

So. Let's get down to the point. I have two best friends. Put it this way, one of them "betrayed" me in an indirect way.
The ONE betraying kid, let's call him David, and the other one John.
Us three have been friends for a long time, about 12 years.

John is in another state, so I don't blame him if he still wants to maintain that relationship with David because he doesn't know what's going on, but of course I tried to cut that relationship down to one best friend. I told John to stop being friends with David and explained the situation.
Obviously John is unwilling. Kind of heart-breaking right?

I'll be harsh on this kid in this post as I have to be. It's really making me mad and won't get off my mind. And I hope you learn something from this thread. :mad:

David still owe me $100+ (175 to be exact) for my cell phone that I let him borrow. Then everytime we go down for a meal (we used to live together for a while when our parents and time let; that's how strong our bond can be... or any bonds for that matter) it's either me or John shelling out, never David. He always sit in the back and "stare" at us like spies. Like he's plotting something. And when I complain, John just sit back "scared". I even got mad one time and said "yo you know you owe us cash", John just act nice and go "nah relax Saine, David you don't need to pay me back". Of course he doesn't understand the complexity. SO! I let it go.

Time goes, John returns back home (in another state).

Onto the kid. David is a dumbass. For some reason he has been changing for the worst. I taught him "change so that you can get what you want" but he's changing for the worst, I fear this is my fault. Why I think it's my fault? Just keep reading.

He is recently changing up the way he dress, totally. He wants to be gangster. In NY there's a long-fallen gang called "Flying Dragon" and something Asians'; their crews (comprised of mainly Cantonese and "FOBS") recently joined up and he came up to me today afterwork and goes "yo there's a new gang, I wanna join". I was like "no don't", then he goes "oh **** man, not this again". So of course I won't preach as I used to and then I just said "do whatever you want".

David is pathetic, can't find his own friend so he *****es at me all the time on the phone (for years) until I entered high school and found him some friends AND a girl.
To make it worst, he's ditching ME for his so called "family".
The girl recently broke up with him, she said he's too sensitive and emotional. Of course I'm the one whose always laidback and just say "so how's he doing?".
Always one same response. "too senstive, can you help him?"
Oh of course *****, I told you, just because he's gangster-look-a-like or he speaks Cantonese does NOT mean he's your perfect man! Now I hope you learn your lesson.

Now, I don't mind if you have friends and chill with them. But when I say the girls are using you, they are. I know my friends. He goes "nah they cool" and I said "cool by leeching off your cash? your allowance then you come up to ME and abuse my cash? you know you still owe me"
What does he do? Shrug.

I even got him a job. All he does is use me. And when I ask him to come out? Excuses.
Like "nah (in the most gangster way possible) I can't, raining/homework/mom/today's family day (referring to my friends I gave him)" or whatever possible excuse to get away from me. His friend? He argues with his parents for what he can.

He recently got his first paycheck. Now he's gonna come to me (at 8AM) and ask me to teach how to check it.

I mean, for me to not reject you and spend time with you even if I got something much more important to do is FINE. But when I ask you to come out, stop *****ing about the rain at the very least? Jesus and have some respect for me in the public.

SO! Now, I'm confused. I don't think we should treat a selected few as the way we treat women so what can I do?

If this looks childish, don't mind it at all. I'm just mad and in a hurry. It's 6AM in the morning and I didn't even sleep. Those who have a best friend or two that know the power of friendship, bless them. For true friendship can never be won with cash or materials, only time. If only I can find someone trustworthy long enough.
 
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Sorry but, WHY do some people like to be ****ers?

David a few time told me "I don't feel like a part of that family there... they play with me like I'm a doll, in the court they play balls while I'm watching and when they're done with me, they just put me back" and I said "yup and they don't even say bye".

And YET David still likes be a ****er.
I even offered relationship help. He knows this girl that live a few house away, I told him she's not worth it because the girl is using him. She once said "let's just be friend" AND! And! Listen, this is even better. David was about to hang out with his friends, she ask him out and David says "nah I got to chill out with my families". Then the next day he buys her gifts and begs to hang out with her.
Guess what he said to me at that time on the phone?
"psh" and hung on the phone on me JUST LIKE THAT. Now you guys might say "forgive him, he's in the process of changing". Well guess what? After all this year and you just hit me like a lightning, I don't think so. Not when you don't even treat me or John at least one meal.

On the music issues...
WTF HAPPENED TO THE REAL MUSIC???!!!!??

I like it back in the 74's and 80's. The music was FINNNEEE.....

Now. David all he does is listen to DMX and Eminem (ok, Eminem is fine but not all of it, rarely any of it; Eminem's rythme is quite scary, that's all that impress me) and when I say "listen to something else" and he just ignores me and nod his head and "uh huh".

What happened man? Wtf happened to our society?
I mean look at modern rappers, "YO YO YO MOFOS PUT YOUR HANDS UP AND GIMME A SHOUT, YEAH KEEP IT UP, YO YO NIGGAS YEAH, KEEP YOUR HANDS UP, KEEP YOUR HANDS UP?!" and to make it worst, their lyrics compose of "YO I WILL SHOOT YOU IN THE ASS AND MAKE YA WET". What? I paid 50 bucks for your tickets YOU scream mother****er. Or gimme my money back. You ain't hard for ****.

... back in the days music were GREAT, beautiful. C'mon why not something like Bob Marley? Shaggy? Sean Paul? Perry Lee?
I mean I listen and I go ".... dude, wtf, I don't wanna be SHOT and make myself wet??! I want to be in LOVE and make myself wet".

What happened? It's everybody being so shallow or listening to music like that. I've seen a few REAL gangster. They were ****ing scary. They don't go "YO YO". They mean business. That's why you don't see real gangs, they are all busy doing something. Not in the street trying to get attention and "prop".
 

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Oh in the middle of my ranting on this thread.
David calls me and I pretend to be asleep. Without even asking me "yo sorry you asleep?" like the way John does, David goes "yo could you come out?"

Me: for what?
Dave: well could you help me cash this check out?
Me: later man, in three hours, the store won't be open til then
Dave: oh c'mon man
Me: **** you I'm still asleep man, show some respect
Dave: psh I'll find someone else, you're useless

And he just hang up. What the ****. And poor John doesn't know all this. That's why he's reluctant. John just shrug his shoulder too.

Wow. -_- :rolleyes:

**** this, I don't need them. I'm gonna move out when I'm 18 and live my life. **** them, they ain't coming with me as planned.
 

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Just noticing my thread, I should've not used the name John or David. Hahahahah funny names. :D :p

And observing myself, damn I'm proud. If I had a best friend like me, damn how good would our life be.
 

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"I'm gonna move out when I'm 18 and live my life"

I'll assume that this means that you (and your friends) are still teenagers...

Don't worry, its an age thing! If your friend was like 25 I'd say he's a pathetic ****er. But at 16 or whatever its more or less normal behaviour.

Don't sweat it... People change! You'll find that as you grow older people you used to be best mates with suddenly have nothing in common to you. Probably the best age to get life-long friends is early twenties...

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PS: Hey, what's wrong with Eminem!!! :p
 

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Originally posted by Panther
Don't worry, its an age thing! If your friend was like 25 I'd say he's a pathetic ****er. But at 16 or whatever its more or less normal behaviour.
It's safe for you to assume but I got about a year to go. Now let's get down to the game.

If we're both the same age, how come I'm much more mature?? So no, it's not normal. It's abnormal. When a child wants to join a gang, something's ALREADY wrong, esp if he wants to dress gangster. It's a warning. I say we shoot him before he shoot me in ten years.
 

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Whoa, almost 100 views and in total 1 reply by someone else other than me. Quite sad.
 

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Heh, its not abnormal that your friend is immature. He's 17!!

You being more mature than your age doesn't make him a freak.

But I do agree with you: You once had a lot in common with "David", he was your best friend. However he is not the same David (and I suppose you are not the same Saine) as when you used to get along well.

Let me ask you something. Assume you just met this guy; would you want to be friends with him? if not then you shouldnt try to cling on a friendship that does not do you any good.

Don't worry. There will be plenty of friends for you when you move on with your life. If you go to study, they'll be lots of ppl at uni. If you work, you'll get to know people you do business with. At any rate, its very rare for two people to keep a childhood friendship going: it is worth it when its good, not worth it when its bad.

On the other hand, you can't just tell John to stop being David's friend. I'm sure he'll figure it out himself though eventually

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I think I'll wait for more response before I make my decision.
 

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Saine:

Hear me out. Back in grade 6, me and "Greg" shall we say, were real good friends, and before that I never really had any friends, any good one's. Well, he was always there for me, I mean, 1 time I was in a fight(sure, grade 6, but still), and after, he's on my ass, but really helped me. There was 1 time, that I recall, that he actually asked me for something, and I was so greedy I didn't do it for him, so eventually we parted ways at the end of the year. I look back now and I wish to death he was still my friend, but I was such an idiot, I mean he was there for me countless other times. Now, I have a group of 5 not-close-at-all friends, never do anything except go out to the movies(which they have never asked me to come), as well, they once went golfing, had 3 people, and when they were done, the next day, "Larry" tells me that he should have asked me.??? LOL. I can't wait till high school is done. These people will be history.

But Saine, my point is, tell him "Until you straighten your act, don't come to me", sopmething to that effect. Trust me, if I had my old friend, I would be king, so don't do that to him, you obviously still care for him, and he'll realize what I did one day.
 

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Like ive said in another post, who cares. Friends come and go. Thats life. People change, things change, aint sh1t you can do about it.

You should have gotten your money when he asked you to help him cash his check..
 

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you ***** like a girl. tell him straight u don't like the way he acts anymore and until he decides to change up his act, you don't want to hang with him anymore.
 

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Originally posted by Julian
Like ive said in another post, who cares. Friends come and go. Thats life. People change, things change, aint sh1t you can do about it.

You should have gotten your money when he asked you to help him cash his check..
I like to keep going so I'll explain.

You know why exactly didn't I cash his check?
Yesterday at night he came home, he asked me if I can help him.
Then out of the blues he said "no dude, sorry I can't give it to you, it's for my friends".
 

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Re: go find a part time job or another hobby

Originally posted by fuzzx
Seriously guy.. why do you let these people occupy your time??? Go find something better to do
It's not "these". I do have something "better" to do but "these" guys are my best friends. Nothing I can do. We're like brothers but then now, things are changing. NOW I can say it's wasting time.
 

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Originally posted by ryan killa
Saine:

Hear me out. Back in grade 6, me and "Greg" shall we say, were real good friends, and before that I never really had any friends, any good one's. Well, he was always there for me, I mean, 1 time I was in a fight(sure, grade 6, but still), and after, he's on my ass, but really helped me. There was 1 time, that I recall, that he actually asked me for something, and I was so greedy I didn't do it for him, so eventually we parted ways at the end of the year. I look back now and I wish to death he was still my friend, but I was such an idiot, I mean he was there for me countless other times. Now, I have a group of 5 not-close-at-all friends, never do anything except go out to the movies(which they have never asked me to come), as well, they once went golfing, had 3 people, and when they were done, the next day, "Larry" tells me that he should have asked me.??? LOL. I can't wait till high school is done. These people will be history.

But Saine, my point is, tell him "Until you straighten your act, don't come to me", sopmething to that effect. Trust me, if I had my old friend, I would be king, so don't do that to him, you obviously still care for him, and he'll realize what I did one day.
You know what?
I agree. I really do. I'm going to go up to that kid and tell him the next time he comes over "ok son, if you're gonna keep bothering me like this, go find your gangster friends; I'm busy".
 

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Originally posted by wolfie
you ***** like a girl. tell him straight u don't like the way he acts anymore and until he decides to change up his act, you don't want to hang with him anymore.
I don't know if I ***** like a girl but you help like a dumbass. :p

Anyway I will do that. But if you were me, are you so easily to give up this relationship? Aha! That's the problem. You don't have a best friend long enough to say that..
 

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Ok I know what I'll do. I will not keep contact with them for about a month or so. We will see how things goes.
 

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Dude, I think you should NEXT this guy. Don't use his age, or the amount of time you have known him, to excuse his behavior. He is acting like a 7 yr old, not a 17 yr old. I don't think you can really do anything to snap him out of it. He is using you even worse than a chick uses her AFC slave.
 

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Hey.. .

my post may get lost among the others but I can feel you dude.

One of my best friends since the age of two stole my car when I was away on vacation. He also had people over at my place. (My family and I asked him to come by and run errands).

Anyways, he stabbed me in the back and dude.. it took time to lose the frustration and spitefulness, but the key is to come out the bigger man. Learn from it because thats really all you can do.

The fact is, after all this... he lost all the respect he had, and I have come out as the bigger man. Anyways, good luck with this.
 

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I'm really heart-touched by this. Hm... what about "John"? Should I keep it up with him? Since David is long gone.
 
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