Believing in God

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Bible_Belt said:
ok, but then how are conflicts resolved?
Common sense. Laws are made to keep societies stable. Morality isn't law, its personal opinion.

So shared concepts are part of the process, but how do we tell when the majority of people are wrong?
We have a thing called "the law". If someone breaks the law, they are wrong. In fact, its very similar to religion, except our laws are based on common sense, not blind religous belief.
 

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Bible_Belt said:
OK, Atheists, if religion is all bunk, please explain your ideas of right and wrong.
I don't need someone's omnipotent sky fairy to tell me that hurting others is wrong, and I especially don't need that same sky fairy telling me that me doing something that hurts no one is wrong as well.

Besides, the Bible doesn't teach right from wrong at all, it teaches god's will and NOT god's will. Rape is wrong unless it's god's will. Murder is wrong unless it's god's will. Slavery is wrong unless.... And so on.

The same book that tells me that it's wrong to bed a woman before marriage, and tells me that I will go to hell for murder and tells me that pleasure for pleasure's sake is a sin tells me this;
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
Evidently rape, plunder and murder are all ok, as long as god gives them to me. Interesting. Or this;
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
Oh, so it's ok to rape as long as you can afford it. I get it now. Overtime pay, here I come.

Thou shall not kill, unless you should.... Or something.
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)



Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)



Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)



Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)



Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)



Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)



Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)



Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)



Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)



Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)



Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)



Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)



Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

I don't have the time right now to get into this discussion as much as I'd like (and goy, I would like to), so here, read this.

http://www.evilbible.com/
http://www.number80.co.uk/

Good stuff, especially the second one. Really let's you know what the wonderful, safe and sane, caring religious people of today are doing to make their world a better place for themselves.

I'll just leave my favorite quote now; "Good people do good things, bad people do bad things. It takes religion to make good people do bad things."
 

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As much as I enjoy actual religious debate, it's not allowed on the forum.

Don't worry, none of you are in trouble, but it's time to close it before people get offended.
 
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