Being Christian and turning the other cheek

[jonwon]

Reading the posts of religions indocterined and the none conformists is always interesting.

Anyway, i like how the relgious ones use fear to try to indocerine the others and how they accept responisbilty for other peoples mistakes.
How conformist.

Anyway the none-religion are probably just as bad, the two sided worship of nothing or something is like seeing:

One side of the road a christian preacher or the other side of the road an athiest preacher.

I say sod that i will dodge the traffic

Anyway my take on it.

If no one feared death religion would never have happened.

also even the biggest athiest wonders at how great the world is and how well it as been engineered.

but only a fool would believe in FAITH!

FAITH is believing in something that as no proof, hence have faith it is there.

I have FAITH when i wake up and i know the world can be MY HEAVEN and i have faith when i wake up the world can be MY HELL.

After that well thats open to debate but i doubt its some sorded boring shi* hole or some torture wrac*ed hell pit, i mean FFS really even Hollywood would have trouble spinning that cr** these days.

Oh the bible god can kiss my as* sorry, but hes about as real as the pink elephant sat on my shoulder telling me to write this post! Have FAITH brother the elephent is there, BELIEVE and it shall be!! If you beleive in the pink elephent you will go to a place when you DIE that is better, just live your life to his rules.

The ELEPHENT like you to do ten push-ups a day, feed him loads of stuff, talk about him to your mates, even if they think your mad and they cant see it! but FAITH and the power of the pink will pull through and enocurage your mates to finally open there EYES to the GLORY of the PINK ELPEHENT.
(if this above sounds like some form of childish nursery type stuff hey dont worry, i see the same thing alot anyway).

Does that mean there is no god! Well if there is one and he MADE what ever the fuc* this is, i sure as hell dont think he would be getting piss* over stuff in the bible put it that way.

I love these threads i really do!

Fear is the core foundation of religion which ever way you look at it, in that its hard to imagine any form of organised religion being 'created' by man for the purpose of 'control'.

 

[Nighthawk]

Deus, you have admitted there is no proof that Christianity is right, and it comes down to faith. So far, so true. You then contend that non-belief of (the Christian) God is just another faith-based position.

By this reasoning, your (assumed) non-belief in Thor or Smurfs is also a matter of faith, not scientific, evidence-based enquiry. You can't have it both ways, either a belief is supported or damned by the evidence, or it's valid so long as someone believes it.

'Faith' is a cop-out, but one that religion needs because what they are selling is, well, retarded.

Some fun Bible quotes.

Some small boys came out of the city and jeered at [the prophet Elisha], saying, "Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!" And ... he cursed them in the name of the Lord. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys.
-- II Kings 2:23-24

Jephthah made a vow to the Lord: "If you give the Ammonites into my hands, whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return ... will be the Lord's, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering." ... and the Lord gave them into his hands.... When Jephthah returned to his home..., who should come out to meet him but his daughter, dancing to the sound of tambourines! And he did to her as he had vowed. And she was a virgin.
-- Judges 11:30-32, 34, 39

Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)

 

[Vypros]

The funny thing I get about people who are atheist or agnostic is that they spend INCREDIBLE amounts of time debating relgion, specificially Christianity.

Now, I can see an agnostic who is truly unsure about it debating it, but most agnostics IMMEDIATELY take the stance of disproving the bible and Christianity.

To those people I ask: If you truly don't know, why are you taking a stance AGAINST one option that is out there?

If you truly don't know, then you should be OPEN to the idea of ANY religion, and look at it from an unbiased standpoint. Not attacking people who DO believe, which is what I see here.

In fact, I see an INCREDIBLE amount of d*ck measuring and c*ck fighting going on here and the damned thread has absolutely JACK to do with religion. The thread is about "turning the other cheek", which can be argued from a non-religious standpoint as well.

How insecure are you with your beliefs that you have to turn a thread about a vague concept into an attack on a specific religion?

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

How insecure are you with your beliefs that you have to turn a thread about a vague concept into an attack on a specific religion?

Ok Mr. Armchair Warrior.

Vypros

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[Nighthawk]

I'll argue about anything.

But Christians who come onto threads threatening unbelievers with eternal hellfire whilst not knowing their own holy book are particularly appealing.

Having said that, I'm done with this thread. See you in Hell, Deus.

btw I've never read Paradise Lost

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

...Having said that, I'm done with this thread. See you in Hell, Deus.

We're changing the venue? Are you guys going to change gear too? Flaming pitchforks?

 

[Page]

All you have done is prove my point, that in the whole of The Bible there is not one passage to back up your erroneous but common view of Lucifer The Ex-Angel Being Banished From Heaven And Ruling Hell.

Okay, time to clear up a few things.

It must be made clear that Lucifer is already condemned, but has not been punished yet. Therefore, he is not in Hell right now, but is here on earth.

1 Peter 3:8: "Be sober, be alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour."

Revelation 20:10: "And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

Also, the Bible says nothing about Lucifer ruling hell. That comes out of Paradise lost. If anything, God rules hell since He created it and has to sustain it like everything else (Which He will have to do for eternity.) When the time comes, metaphorically speaking, Lucifer won't be the warden of hell, he'll be in general population just like everyone else who has been condemned by God. Lucifer will not be punished any more or any less than anyone else who is there ,since there is no partiality with God. (Romans 2:11)




You may be wondering how can anyone experience suffering if they are a spirit floating somewhere in hell. Well, it won't be like that. God's judgement requires a corporeal existence to be effective. Since heaven is absolute honor and unity with God, hell will be the approximate opposite -- absolute wrath and indignation. Also, just as Christians will be given new regenerated bodies to match the regenerated spirit, the unsaved will also be given bodies as well (John 5:28-29)-- but those bodies will be designed only to experience wrath and torment.

 

[whistler]

Believing in the existence of God requires being irrational.

To hold an argument, both arguers must adhere to rationality -- it supplies the rules of the game and let's a winner be found.

An argument between a believer and non-believer will be fruitless.

So what's the point?

 

[whistler]

You equate faith with irrationality? Sad.

I'm not asking for your opinion. I'm making a statement.

Look up the word. Arguing for the existence of something without evidence is irrational. It's faith.

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

Believing in the existence of God requires being irrational.

Following an organized religion with rules and regulations requires being irrational, because that's what the rules and regulations are based upon.

Its not the same case with God and spirituality in general.

An argument between a believer and non-believer will be fruitless.

Yup. I agree here though.

 

[Rata Blanca]

You know I would be very surprised if I do end up in hell.
"Damn it God you should have made it clearer!"

 

[mahon83050]

Well, sorry this turned into "Does God exist or not debate".

What I should of stated in my post, was this:

Isn't it hard and contradictory to be a Don Juan and a Christian at the same time? I mean how can someone be a true Christian and constantly be comning up with ideas and goals to get down a girls pants?

They simply contradict one another.

 

[mahon83050]

Well, sorry this turned into "Does God exist or not debate".

What I should of stated in my post, was this:

Isn't it hard and contradictory to be a Don Juan and a Christian at the same time? I mean how can someone be a true Christian and constantly be comning up with ideas and goals to get down a girls pants?

They simply contradict one another.

Same thing aplies with being an alpha male and not taking any s*it or non-sense off any people. As Christians, we are supposed to be humble, meek and turn the other cheek.

However, maybe this is just my "good works" mindset that I have from 30 years of Catholicism. I have a Baptist friend who enlightened me with some things and I do agree what some Protestant religions teach.

 

[PeterNorthisawesome]

Who the hell cares, the bible is just a book, what you take from is personal. DJ is being a man, meaning do what you want. This discussion of god existing or not is pointless, both sides already have no intetion in changing their opinion. People should just respect each other's individuality and mind their own business. I just hate christians and atheists who try to push their beliefs on someone else.

I could end this debate right now and it would come out as a victory for the atheists, but I won't since I have no reason to support the atheists.

 

[PeterNorthisawesome]

Well now you've piqued my curiosity as someone who could perhaps pose a challenge. So far no atheist been able to come up with a single good reason to bet their afterlife on the chance that there is no God.

Ok the bible was wrote 2000 years ago during the Roman Era right? Meaning people living even before Jesus had NO CLUE what christianity was, meaning that they would all go to hell since noone followed "Christianity." Also if there was the bible to follow how come there are different branches of Christianity? What primary tool does religion use to convert others? Fear, the only reason your believing in Christianity is because of the fear of punishment. Still there is no proof of a "christian" ever receiving eternal life, meaning there is no gurantee so God can do as he pleases. You said why take the chance, well why are you taking the chance of believing in Christianity? There are other religions that you could believe in but why christianity? I bet both of your parents are christians and you were raised to believe it.

The bible itself contradicts itself so many times. There is a disparity between the Old Testament, identified with a jealous and vengeful God, lack of tolerance, and often violent attitude towards non-believers living near Jewish cities and lands, and the New Testament, identified with God as a loving father and an approach to salvation inclusive of all cultures.

 

[Nighthawk]

And to just clarify one thing, I never said I was an atheist. I'm open-minded about a 'higher power' while being very very skeptical about religion.

 

[PeterNorthisawesome]

...and the core message of the bible remains that ALL CHRISTIANS WILL BE SAVED while every other religious people and non-believers will burn in hell. Tell me Deus you probaby had sex before marriage, why else would be part of this forum, if you weren't interested in a promiscuous life style. Meaning you sinned again, so by bible standards God will not spare you and you will like me, burn in hell for eternity. But maybe not since if you accept Jesus or God as a savior that you will be spared, isn't it illogical that a mass murder who accepts Jesus/God right before his execution will be spared, while someone like the Dalai Lama who promotes peace to thousands thoughout his life will die and suffer torture for eternity?

Ever think that heaven and hell only exists in a Christian's mind, so you might after you die either go to hell or heaven, while Muslims will go to their heaven. Atheists on the other hand will just assimilate back into Earth. But noone knows since there is no evidence. I don't see other religions trying to convince more people to join, Jews make you take tests to join their religion, while Christians try to force more people into it.