Being challenged after busting a girl's balls for over a year - how to respond?

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So I have been hanging out with a 8.5 for a year. She has shown zero interest in me (I never made a move on her but I also got some very clear indications of no interest), but I figured hanging out with her gave me good practice in how to interact with attractive women. She also insists on buying me drinks, meals etc when we go out, and I even *gasp* enjoy her company so I was happy to be buds with her.

Anyway, since she insisted on treating me like a brother, I figured it was only fair I do the same, so I regularly teased her whenever we were out in public, like I would my little nieces. This seemed to do wonders for social proof if nothing else, as for some reason other women seemed to find it really attractive for some reason that I am willing to mock a hot girl (using humor of course) in public.

She seemed ok with it until yesterday, when we were at a three day self-development conference (that she got me free tickets to :yes: ). She suddenly blew up at me and said she did not like it when I made fun of her in public, said I was only making a fool out of myself not her etc. To be honest, I was not expecting it so I did the first thing that came to my head; I smirked and said "it took you long enough to stand up to me". She then walked off, and I wandered off to do my own thing, rather then following her (which I figured was the sort of behaviour she expects from guys when she acts upset). When it came to the next seminar, she came looking for me and sat next to me again, and was extra-nice (she even bought me some flowers to take to my mum, as she knew I was having dinner with her that evening). Afterwards, she kept on asking whether I had been teasing her on purpose to teach her to be more assertive, and even thanked me before I left.

So I am trying to work out what I should learn from that encounter, and thought I would throw some questions to you guys. Please keep in mind I am not actively trying to DJ this girl (although I have learnt that if you hang out with lots of girls, you would be surprised what happens!) but I am trying to make sure I act like a proper DJ would in unexpected situations, which I feel :

1. Was my response appropriate or AFC-ish?

2. Are there any other responses that would have been more appropriate?

3. Are such attempts at assertion a ****-test by women?

4. Is there ever an occasion when one should apologise to a woman? I found in general that it seems to make women preceive you as being weak, but is that correct?
 

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First sht test: passed! Very good. And great that it just came to you. That's good training in action.

Second sht test: probably not. Did you play along about doing it for her own benefit? Yes it was a sht test when she came back to you.

To answer your apology question: only apologize when you are dead wrong, and only once.

This is a great example of what should be happening. These game concepts need to be internalize, ready for when you need it. Ready when you're not expecting it. Its way beyond the quick fix, its internalizing a new, stronger mindset. kudos.
 

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Don't over-analyze it or you will fck up next time she tests you. You did the right thing by saying the first thing that came to your mind. A guy's instinct is usually his best reaction. Nice guys normally repress their instinct and try to avoid conflict thus why they get ****ted on. Good job.
 

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I got some questions, more out of interest than being able to give you an earth shattering insightful answer.

So you are her orbiter?

She is 8.5 so she must have a guy or two in the loop?

Why does she have no interest in you? You are gaming her - so whats the problem? Are you butt ugly or something and weigh 350 lbs?

I don't get it - whats the value in it for her this "friendship" other than stoking the attention whoar part of her brain?
 

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Firefly said:
Please keep in mind I am not actively trying to DJ this girl
Seems to me that you are, but I don't see anything wrong with it. She's pretty, you're a guy, it's what we do.

Get your practice on.

She probably just got pissed because she wasn't in the mood or some other reason that honestly doesn't matter. People aren't robots, pretty women will usually respond positively to negs, but you can't expect that every single time.

The negs need to come naturally, if you do it non-stop it can become tiring. Sounds like you may have over done it, but without being there I'm just guessing.

However, you did great in not being apologetic about it, there was no need to. Never apologize about such things.

I've purposely tried to get certain women pissed enough to hit me, but it all depends on the level of raport you have with them and the context of the situation. I would say move forward without a second thought about it, it's meaningless.
 

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Firefly said:
So I have been hanging out with a 8.5 for a year. She has shown zero interest in me (I never made a move on her but I also got some very clear indications of no interest), but I figured hanging out with her gave me good practice in how to interact with attractive women. She also insists on buying me drinks, meals etc when we go out, and I even *gasp* enjoy her company so I was happy to be buds with her.
It definitely sounds AFC, but since being seen with an attractive chic can lead to other attractive chics finding you interesting, it's not so bad - especially if you would be spending the evening playing Xbox or surfing SoSuave.:crackup:

Having her splurge on your entertainment is even better. It seems that she has you pegged as somewhat of a bodyguard, to keep away all the losers from hitting on her (I'm sure that when Prince Charming comes around, she'll slither away from you.)

Actually, what I would do is to treat her a bit like a wingman. She has set the stage that you are friends, and now it is up to you to show that you are a very horny alpha male. When you are out, be on the hunt for other chicks, and ask her for advice on how to pick them up. At the very least, she should be encouraging. Now, if she turns out to be a c0ckblock, then that would be indicative that she really does like you.

It could be that she has temporarily friended you with the idea that in the future she will want to be romantic. I have had a similar situation (although for this situation, the chic was a but psycho.)

I think doing the neg hits is not the right thing to do, unless they are really small and insignificant. You are not going to suddenly appear to be the cool guy just because you have neg hit her. If she were amenable to that kind of game, she would have decided to either get romantic with you or totally dump you.
 

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u should be bangin this chick
 

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This wasn't a s#it test; there are no s#it tests in the friendzone. This was her expresses annoyance at the fact that you belittle her constantly after she does nice things for you. The problem is that she views you as a "friend" and you view her as a "project."

You can continue to be friends with her, enjoy her company, and let her help you game other chicks, but using DJ "tricks" on her is going to be futile. You can be friends or lovers but not both, and you have to decide which it is early on. If you don't take the risk of making a move on her, you sort of "default" into the friendzone. This isn't always bad, mind you....you don't have to sleep with every chick you meet, and it is helpful to have some female friends in your life.

A "s#it test" is actually a sign of INTEREST. It isn't her getting angry at you; it's her teasing you, to see if you get defensive or try to qualify yourself to her.

Now, if this was your girlfriend, your response would have good because you didn't go over the top with apologies. However, since it is a friend of yours, you have to be careful. You shouldn't try to make your friend look bad in public just to practice game. Go easy on the negs.
 

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You sound like you're being a sh!tty friend. She is being a great one and treating you when you go out and you're teasing her and putting her down IN FRONT OF OTHER PEOPLE. Who wants to be friends with someone like that?

Ultimately you are using her and I guess using her well. But you're a **** as you're using her to "get better" and not as a friend.
 

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don't listen to these losers, you can be bangin this chick if you play it right, try some jealousy sh!t on her and see how she reacts, any least bit of a reaction and there is something (ever so small) there
 
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