Being a DJ in an LTR is a myth!!!

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Originally posted by InLawsHateMe


blonde, blue eyes,

InLaws, what's the big deal about blonde hair and blue eyes? Big deal. :rolleyes: There are way more busted white trash women with blonde hair and blue eyes than there are babes. I'm not knocking your girlfriend, but I find that you sold out to the Anglo standard of beauty completely unsavory. In Asian circles you're what we'd call a "Twinkie". How sad...

I think that women are beautiful in all colors combinations.
 

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Again.. THIS SITE CATERS TO THE MAN WHO IS INTERESTED IN DATING MANY WOMEN, .....NOT ONE...

Again.. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR A GUY TO DATE MANY WOMEN IF HE IS IN A LONG TERM COMMITED RELATION... IF A GUY DATES MORE THAN ONE PERSON, THEN HE IS IN AN STR, REGARDLESS OF HOW LONG THAT RELATIONSHIP LASTS

Finally.. IT MAKES NO SENSE TO CONSIDER YOURSELF A DJ IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PURSUE, DATE AND OH YEAH FUKK WOMEN. THIS MAKES YOU A PLAYER.... YEP I AM SORRY, BUT ITS TRUE... A PLAYER DATES MANY WOMEN AND MAKES WOMEN HIS FOCUS.. A DJ MAKES HIMSELF THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN HIS LIFE, AND AS SUCH HE BECOMES SUCCESSFUL. BUT THE END RESULT IS THE SAME. HE DOES ALL OF THIS, SO HE CAN ATTRACT ALL THE FUKKEN WOMEN POSSIBLE....

I SEE ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO......:rolleyes:

Like I said before, chykenn shyyt lazy attitudes on this forum has provided a 'lets stay away from the dating as many chykks as possible mentality..

This, coupled with advice from the DJ in LTR's, has provided a clone for the girlproblems.com website. Not that the advice isn't fudamentally sound.. But the constant drone of how wonderful it is to be in love with one woman is fukken played out.. Its a monotonous clanking sound that points the AFC in the direction of a relationship rather than telling him to go out there and experience the plethera of women available.. Fukk That Bullshytt!!!!

Let me ask you guys this question... When was the last time you guys went out to a club or bar... Have you seen whats out there??:eek: Beautiful sexy skimpy clad women that all want to exprience, love, relationships, sex and a lot more with us... Now having seen all that, how can you even want to be in a commited relationship..I can tell you from past, present and future experience, that it's fun like nothing other....

I for one will never stop dating as many women as possible, and will never stop trying to enhance my skills to attract more beautiful women.

And, I say this with full respect for the DJ's that have traversed these boards and given us the fundamentals of DJ-hood. However, with the focus now, of advice being in the LTR direction, I choose to stay where the players played, and play..

I am a DJ, and I am man that lives in the hopes that he can be what all women want, and as such a man that all women will sure as hell get...:rolleyes:

The Edge ' Some have it, and some don't '
 

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Originally posted by Demon
The Edge... you aren't a DJ. You're just obnoxious.
...... Why even bother..:rolleyes:

Note to self... He's a liar, he's only 17, he goes to a makeshift college, (community college), just got a drivers lisence, and is fighting for recognition as a virgin....

Oh, and 5 posts ago, he said I was on his ignore list...But he still responds...

Hmmmm.. sounds like another lie to me..

Whats da matta widdle Demon...do widdle Demon need some fwends to pway wif....Sowwy to hurt your widdle feewings..but I don't like liars...Go to da high school fowum widdle boy

I am done responding to anything you say troll!!

Edge signs off....
 

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The crux and indeed the very ethos of the DJ mentality, whether turned towards women or business, or art, is simply living the best qualities in man. The whole point is to develop these abilities until they are not only second nature, but fundamental.

These traits...confidence...passion for living...the mindset of the hunter... All of these we cultivate, not merely for the 'romantic' benefits thereof. The DJ site promotes embracing your masculinity. Not being your self, but rather being the best version of yourself, thusly fulfilling your manly potential. Yes, the very wise Allen promotes books about seduction, and a good part of this site if not the majority of it, is and rightly should be dedicated to improving your success with the opposite sex...but Manhood encompasses just a bit more than that. ;)

These traits never leave. You do not lose your manhood, your solitary drive, or anything save possibly your freedom to lay anything that walks and doesn't sing bass. Oh, and even that has isn't necessarily a bad thing. In an LTR, your state of mind and personality don't change, but your focus and means do. Let's talk three C's here for a second. Do you truly lose the Control factor? No, anything but. Do you lose your confidence? If anything it would increase. Do you lose your challenge factor? Yes, but any mystery or challenge (and remember the whole point of challenge factor is to generate excitement) you may lose can be replaced with spontanaety. Something like some flowers for Guy Fawkes day, or a surprise weekend in a bed and breakfast. The three C's, as well as the core of the DJ mindset remains.

You bemoan the abundance of LTR posts and blame them for the decline of this site. If anything, the presence of posts relating to relationships longer and deeper than one night, can rightly be attributed to the fact that this is what some guys are looking for. Seducing and bedding one woman after another, moving from conquest to conquest, simply gets tiring after a while, and sometimes it gets to be too much time and effort to expend for some of the guys on here who have other things in life they wish to achieve.

I've been on both sides of the fence. I've been in LTRs and find them a lot easier and less-time consuming than chasing skirts. You imply, and there are some of those who claim, that since you 'give up DJ status' when you enter a relationship, those in relationships should refrain from giving advice about hooking up. As further proof of the fallacy of your argument, I was out of the game for over a year. The first time I go sarging after I ended that relationship, I go to California and land three numbers in a week-end, with a minumum of effort (I went three for four ;) hehehe ). PDX helped with some insights and the passion to just do it, but I had to go out there to get those numbers for myself.(actually for a friend...but that's another story entirely) According to the logic expressed by some members of this board, I should be dusty, rusty, and crusty, yet I go out and I'm gold. (well, maybe bronze...hehehe) I haven't gotten a chance to thank you yet PDX, so if you're reading let me do so now. I hope you stick around a little while longer as you're truly an asset to this board...

If anything, that's what this site needs more of. It needs more guys daring to step outside their comfort zones and do it. More guys will the gonads to get out there and experiment, then come back and share the knowledge. That's the difference between the site of old, and the site as it is now. We must DO! We must BE! We must BECOME!

You are a young man yet Edge. A very young man actually, and not so far out of the high school forum if I remember correctly. Where you are is fine for you. Right on. You have no need or desire to become exclusive with anyone. But we all have different objectives in coming here. You may not need, want, or desire to be in a relationship now, but what about in five, ten, twenty years... Do you really know where you are going to be that far down the road? Hopefully, by the time you have other things requiring your energies, or after a while when all the girls just seem the same...hopefully this forum will still be around to answer your questions and address your concerns. But until then, don't begrudge or demean those of us who've been where you are, and moved on...

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What this site's original intention - or Allen's intention - is irrevelant.

I don't care about the philosophical analysis of a DJ and a player. I'm not interested in whether you can still be a DJ in an LTR.

Fastseduction.com is the exclusive site for players only. This site is a collective of guys sharing ideas on anything and everything that "improves" our lives - from women and relationships, to personal finances and style/health.

Ironically, the greatest thing this site ever taught me is that women shouldn't be an important priority.


Ultimately, the site has evolved into much more than just "women", and I hope that it continues to do so.

This site has helped me, and all of you, in some way or the other. And thats all that really matters.
 

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Originally posted by diplomatic_lies
What this site's original intention - or Allen's intention - is irrevelant.
If you happen to be in an LTR, you have just validated my point..:rolleyes:

The Edge ' Some have it, and some don't '
 

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Originally posted by The Edge
If you happen to be in an LTR, you have just validated my point..:rolleyes:

The Edge ' Some have it, and some don't '

Your point isn't valid. Wheres the proof?
 

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Originally posted by jakethasnake
InLaws, what's the big deal about blonde hair and blue eyes? Big deal. :rolleyes: There are way more busted white trash women with blonde hair and blue eyes than there are babes. I'm not knocking your girlfriend, but I find that you sold out to the Anglo standard of beauty completely unsavory. In Asian circles you're what we'd call a "Twinkie". How sad...

I think that women are beautiful in all colors combinations.
Don't hate me cuz she's beautiful dude. I'd never thought I'd say this but, dude, you're a dumbf*ck.

Jake, get out of those ignorant cirlces man, I mean, what are you, 12? Be a man for a change. You know, I'm not sure who is more retarded here, YOU, or b_elusive_eyes? Whatever the case is, you both could be brothers by those racist remarks. A 'Twinkie'..... I guess that is referring to me being yellow on the outside, and white in the middle? Christ dude, just when I thought you were more mature than b_eluseive_eyes, you go on and say that stupid sh*t... Fact is dude, you don't know a damn thing about me. Calling peeps you don't even have a clue about, racist names.... well bro, in my cirlce of friends, you are what we call, a hater.... some may even label you a dumbf*ck, now stfu.

I love young blondes, with blue eyes, tall legs, sexy body, and a strong mind. I've dated different types through out my life, and I love ALL women, but that's my choice. If you got a problem with blondes, that's your problem, but I was trying to tell a story. I'm sure if I said she had high cheekbones your ass would be all over it huh? You see, when I start talking about my girl, I'm hoping you can picture her, know her, that's all. If you weren't trying to be a hater, you would have seen that all I was doing was describing just how lucky a 33 year old man, who was divorced by his wife, and who came back with someone 10 times better.... man, you are a dumbass... lol... I'm bored talking to you.
 

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Wow.. Can't we all get along. And after reading all the posts... I will have to say I agree with Edge some. I didn't at first but hey man, I think I can see his point. It just depends on how you define the term DJ and as all said on here, it means different things to different peoople...


But I think no matter how you dice it.. being a DJ is more about playing the singles game and dating mulitple chicks then settling down with one.. Sure it's a state of mind but in this culture and for any reason for that matter a DJ, Casanova or what have you.. will always have the connotation of being a player. A DJ will automatically be associated with someone who has multiple chicks... One doesn't first think.. oh, he must be married, or settled down...is it fair, no but the truth...

Sure, you can still be a DJ in a ltr in so far as you apply the basics of cofidence, manlihood and the like but no matter how you dice it the rules change for you and being a DJ in a LTR becomes far different then playing the game as a single lad.. JMO.. But face it,

when you have one chick.. you can claim all you want that you area a DJ.. but I bet there are plenty of times during the day when if we had hidden cameras you'd be AFCing...BIG TIME....She has you to go pick up something at the store on your way home, you cuddle with her, you make breakfast and clean the dishes... i mean if you didn't ever be a little AFC then a LTR wouldn't be able to function. Unless she likes to be abused. And if that is the case, then why would you want her. I mean for any relationship to survive there has to be open communication, honestly, trust..You can no longer treat her like you would when you first was djing her. Not possible in my opinion. I mean over time she gets in under your skin and begins to know your deepest secrets and what it is that can make you go AFC in a drop of a hat.

If you can treat her like a DJ and incorporate elements to sustain a healthy relationship, then great. I am all for it.

But those of you who claim you are involved but can still have multiple chicks and the like on the side whenever you want. Sure LOL... Brag about it on here all you want but I don't buy it... LOL..

I don't agree tho that once in a LTR that you can still be a DJ in the sense of having multiple chicks. Unless you are 1.) cheating or 2.) you gf has zippo self-esteem and would do anything just to keep you.. ICK! Whatever if this is happening, you have bigger issues then you care to admit and so does she. And it's not really a LTR....

Chicks can sense when you are involved with someone and that is a big flag to them. Not all women but I say you don't have your game on as much as you'd like while in a LTR. I mean all your friends, people begin to associate the two of you together and the we becomes more AFCing.

JMO. I can see both sides but think you guys were missing Edge's point. :D
 

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Originally posted by tamales
I mean for any relationship to survive there has to be open communication, honestly, trust..You can no longer treat her like you would when you first was djing her.
This is like saying that when you put the bait on the hook, you're a fisherman, and when you cast your line out into the water, you're a fisherman, and when you get a fish on the line and reel it in, you're a fisherman, but as soon as you get the fish into the boat, you're no longer a fisherman.
 

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Originally posted by tamales
Wow.. Can't we all get along. And after reading all the posts... I will have to say I agree with Edge some. I didn't at first but hey man, I think I can see his point. It just depends on how you define the term DJ and as all said on here, it means different things to different peoople...


But I think no matter how you dice it.. being a DJ is more about playing the singles game and dating mulitple chicks then settling down with one.. Sure it's a state of mind but in this culture and for any reason for that matter a DJ, Casanova or what have you.. will always have the connotation of being a player. A DJ will automatically be associated with someone who has multiple chicks... One doesn't first think.. oh, he must be married, or settled down...is it fair, no but the truth...

Sure, you can still be a DJ in a ltr in so far as you apply the basics of cofidence, manlihood and the like but no matter how you dice it the rules change for you and being a DJ in a LTR becomes far different then playing the game as a single lad.. JMO.. But face it,

when you have one chick.. you can claim all you want that you area a DJ.. but I bet there are plenty of times during the day when if we had hidden cameras you'd be AFCing...BIG TIME....She has you to go pick up something at the store on your way home, you cuddle with her, you make breakfast and clean the dishes... i mean if you didn't ever be a little AFC then a LTR wouldn't be able to function. Unless she likes to be abused. And if that is the case, then why would you want her. I mean for any relationship to survive there has to be open communication, honestly, trust..You can no longer treat her like you would when you first was djing her. Not possible in my opinion. I mean over time she gets in under your skin and begins to know your deepest secrets and what it is that can make you go AFC in a drop of a hat.

If you can treat her like a DJ and incorporate elements to sustain a healthy relationship, then great. I am all for it.

But those of you who claim you are involved but can still have multiple chicks and the like on the side whenever you want. Sure LOL... Brag about it on here all you want but I don't buy it... LOL..

I don't agree tho that once in a LTR that you can still be a DJ in the sense of having multiple chicks. Unless you are 1.) cheating or 2.) you gf has zippo self-esteem and would do anything just to keep you.. ICK! Whatever if this is happening, you have bigger issues then you care to admit and so does she. And it's not really a LTR....

Chicks can sense when you are involved with someone and that is a big flag to them. Not all women but I say you don't have your game on as much as you'd like while in a LTR. I mean all your friends, people begin to associate the two of you together and the we becomes more AFCing.

JMO. I can see both sides but think you guys were missing Edge's point. :D
Point well taken.... just like Edge's point about being a DJ, and LTR. etc.... this particular debate is so old.

Different peeps define DJ in different ways... some say it's being a playa, some say it's not, it's being a PIMP, some say it's not that either, it's being BIG DADDY, and so on and so on. You can say who is and who isn't for what every reason you feel is strong. To me, it ain't nothing but letters, and last I checked, I'm beyond any letters of representation. If you have loved, and lost, and loved again many times over, then hey, call yourself a DJ. Call yourself whatever the hell you want, whatever makes you happy, whatever helps your confidence, whatever gets you to your goals in life whether it's f*cking anything that moves, or keeping a beautiful relationship together with a beautiful woman who is unmatched by any of the women you have gone out with in the past. It don't matter what is viewed as a DJ, I can give a rats ass. That's why for the sake of arguements, when peeps say, 'if you do this, if you get in a LTR, then you ain't a DJ anymore...you ain't a DJ.' Again, this is coming from someone who's NEVER been in a LTR before. I know one thing for sure. I love who I have become, and what I've become is way better than a "DJ"... that's my opinion. I've done the "DJ" thing and it was fun, but like all things in life, you either evolved, or you go stale. *shrugs* So if being in a LTR is not being a DJ anymore, I'm truly down with that since I've felt beyond that level a LONG TIME AGO. :) ...personally, I'm here to help the guys who WANT to get in a LTR, and that is their goal. They want to become a DJ to attract the women, and hopefully, get into a LTR, maybe have a family, some kids to carry on the 'DJ' name. I'm about that phase, the phase that comes AFTER sleeping around, dating so many women a week, a month, a year. It got old for me, but hey, some peeps want to be single for the rest of their lives, and that's cool for them. I'm single, there ain't no ring on my finger, I'm free to say and do whatever I want. Just because I'm in a LTR, doesn't mean it's time to pick out curtains. ...I love who I've become. I've got women friends who KNOW I'm in a LTR, and they still hit on me, my ex-wife is one of them. I've got women who are waiting to ring me up at the first sign that I am available. So I'm not a DJ anymore, I can live with that. :)
 

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CG- Good analogy. I can see that but I would have to say that the way you were in the beginning does have to change over time. I mean change is normal and I just don't think you can keep your same DJ game on in a LTR. Not that you can't still be a DJ in your own mind or in the mind of others but as far as other women go... you want be thought of as such a DJ.. I totally disagree. You do lose some mystery and women who are worth something, don't go after other chick's men. Period. Not do they appreciate their advances. If you would cheat on her, you would surely cheat on me. And hense, you do lose some of your game. You are now a WE whether you realize it or not. Period.

Not this doesn't apply to STR or LT, STR relationships..LOL

Yeah, You are still a fisherman but your fish is caught and in the boat, and well, likely cold, dead and helpless. Or flapping around until then but eventually, it dies when out of the water. Sure you are a still the fisherman but you just ain't able to reeal them in like you used to. Unless of course you are cheating.. Or you simply choose not to go fishing. But then don't your skills get a little rusty?

...You'll always be a fisherman but you aint out there reeling them in on a regular basis. And when you do go out fishing chances are you have to ask permission first:) I don't know man. Aint the same.

Good analogy tho.. I mean the arguement is sound on both sides but I am just saying in so far, as the term DJ.. the actual historical term and meaning.. I have to agree with Edge some. It's all about confidence, attitude but then why use ther term DJ at all if it's just about all that and not being able to conquest multiple women and being seen as a player of sorts... Why not call it Tony Robbins, or some other positive term. THe thing that separates a DJ is the idea of obtaining multiple women. ANd in a LTR that is normal, you can't do that without compromising the relationship or your DJ ways. Period!f
 

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Originally posted by Giovanni Casanova
This is like saying that when you put the bait on the hook, you're a fisherman, and when you cast your line out into the water, you're a fisherman, and when you get a fish on the line and reel it in, you're a fisherman, but as soon as you get the fish into the boat, you're no longer a fisherman.
I wished I would have read this before I spent all that damn time typing up my theory. Nice Cas.... took the words out of my mouth.
 

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Not all fisherman are the same though....

Some flyfish, others bobber fish and so on...

I think it comes down to the dynamic of the relationship overall. If you are in a open relationship and your woman likes the fact that you can walk into a room and walk away with either a woman or plenty of numbers, then good for you. Typically you never see this type of relationship because people are very insecure. However I can contest that this can occur and you can still be a active and successful DJ in a LTR.

It just depends...

M.A.C.
 

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Edge, you have a point, a guy in a ltr is not always the type of guy you want to hear advice from. That said many of us can still give good advice as it pertains to various situations. When you get into a ltr it is not as if you all of the sudden forget everything and say,

"hey newbie, I think you should call her every day until you get a hold of her and when you do, you should send her flowers and tell her how beautiful and smart she is. If after that she still won't go out with you get upset and cry like a baby telling her how much she means to you."

Think about it this way, if I am asking advice how am I going to want it from, a guy who has had alot of one night stands but is unable to take it any further with any girl he is actually interested in, or a guy who has been in 2-3 ltr with women he is interested in? Putting it that way it seems so clear to me.
 

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Originally posted by comote
Edge, you have a point, a guy in a ltr is not always the type of guy you want to hear advice from.

No, it isn't. YOU ARE SOO CORRECT!!! Unless you're just an average Joe and you want to know how to date more than one chic a week then you might go to a veteran who has had experience in LTR for this. Personally, guys in LTR, like myself, have dated hella lot. Some were fun, some were comedy hours, but eventually, you find the one that YOU want. Not knowing what you like, and want, is like chasing after your own tail. A Vet can also explain to you how to get her, and how to keep her for longer than 3 months. LOL! ..also at the same time, use your skills to take advantage of everyday life situations. Lets be for real here.... men, we're social beings. We like company, and friendships. Your average Joe is NOT going to have a different chic in the sack every night. He may have someone from time to time, but he's not going to have someone in his bed every night.... unless he's in a LTR. ;) Then he can have her every night, every morning, every lunch time, every dinner, you get my point? ...and when you don't want it, you go home, or she goes home. :) No fuss no muss. It's simple, it's easy, leaving you with plenty of time to do what you want when you want.

Look, I'm not a 'DJ', I never ever claimed to be one. Personally, I always thought I was above a DJ, so I think that's the reason I don't stake claim to it. *shrugs* ...all I can say is, if you want to know how to get chics, date em more than once a week, what to do with em in bed, what they are saying and what they mean, I can help ya. If you want to know how to keep that blonde bombshell that look slike Pamela Anderson, I can help.
Now if you want to know what the DJ Bible says, and who thinks they are a DJ and who's not, ask some of the other guys here... :)
 

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Blah blah blah...do what makes you happy is the sum of this thread.

But, I think boost drops some jewels...word up.
 

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Originally posted by Matt ala Casanova:
Not all fisherman are the same though....

Some flyfish, others bobber fish and so on...
The only difference the type of fishing illustrates is what type of fish they're trying to catch...

If my style was Biker, I wouldn't fish for Ballet any more than a deep sea angler would go fly fishing for Marlin, but even then they have the same fundamentals. Bait, hook, fish, catch. Once you've mastered those fundamentals, its fairly easy to switch around...

Originally posted by comote
When you get into a ltr it is not as if you all of the sudden forget everything and say,

"hey newbie, I think you should call her every day until you get a hold of her and when you do, you should send her flowers and tell her how beautiful and smart she is. If after that she still won't go out with you get upset and cry like a baby telling her how much she means to you."
Well put. This having been said, why then wouldn't you want to get advice from this guy again?
 
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