Being a challenge is useless????

[SlyDonJuan]

Oh f*ck it man...........Right until now I am still confused about it.

So I hope the ppl out there will explain so my confusion will be cleared.

People who demonstrate challenge to attract girls must at least have stirred the girl's interest in them. The girls must be at least attracted to them before "challenge" can work.

But I just re-read the DJ Bible and do some reading on previous materials and I have come across what they said is this "If you demonstrate challenge to girls, she will become interested in you"

But on what evidence could you prove that is true? Just think about it for a sec, if an ugly girl who you're not interested in at all starts being a challenge, how is it going to make you become interested in her?

Doesn't it make sense? If an ugly chick who I am not interested in at all starts playing hard to get, then it will not make me become attracted to her. I wish she will continue to play hard to get and I will ignore her so I wont be bothered by her again.

So back to the issue again. Does "being a challenge will make a girl become attracted to you even if she has absolutely no interest in you from the beginning?" If yes, how do you implement it?

 

[tamales]

There has to be some chemistry, interest or intrigue from the very get go... then you apply djing. JMO.

 

[Bungo Pony]

There's one thing you have to remember - Men and Women work quite differently from each other. Men are attracted foremost to looks, women are attracted foremost to personality.

Being a challenge will only work for a woman if she's physically attractive.

Being a challenge will only work for a man if he's got an attractive personality.

 

[Clint Eastwood]

Tamales and Bungo are both correct. You need to start with something before you can apply certain DJ principles, such as challenge. But, when you do... Oh Boy! The results are great!

 

[Charisma]

yeah dude, I was dealing with that same issue untill last month. I talked to this nice girl for quite a while and she went from not knowing me, to thinking of me as 'I never met anyone like you before..'. So I ended the conversation, and went straight to some other girl, didn't know her either, wasn't even attracted to her, just wanted to push the buttons on that 'being a challenge' thing, it worked out pretty good, that other girl came back and said 'bye had a great time *kiss*'. I saw her again after that night (we live in the same town) and it didn't take any more effort in getting a date.

 

[TheCloser]

Bungo Pony is absolutely right (us canadians know a thing or two)

If the guy is challenge, totally good looking, but was born without a personality...it's not going anywhere. Guys are all about the looks, then personality.

And of course, there needs to be some chemistry first of all.

 

[InLawsHateMe]

Originally posted by TheCloser
Bungo Pony is absolutely right (us canadians know a thing or two)

If the guy is challenge, totally good looking, but was born without a personality...it's not going anywhere. Guys are all about the looks, then personality.

And of course, there needs to be some chemistry first of all.

Hoser 'eh?

 

[BigDave]

BE DESIRELESS

BE EXCELLENT

BE GONE

 

[SPETSA]

It's all a game. A woman isn't going to just physically throw herself at you (if she does there's something wrong with her), she's gonna play the "challenge" game. She's gonna come off as a challenge to you to test you. See if you're worth it.

Play the game back. When you're the challenge and you make her compete for you, it gets to them and it makes them think. I think it intrigues them, "why is this guy a challenge, what makes him so special?" It can work to your disadvantage, it could come off as too ****y or too arrogant, so it has to be done in small doses.

I think one of the best compliments I get from a woman is "you're hard to figure out." I don't find anything wrong with that. I don't want a woman to be able to spot me in a crowd and instantly tag me as a certain type. I want them to wonder who I am and what I'm about.

 

[PEACEDJ]

Well, you see the girl's attraction and a guy's attraction are TOTALLY different. It's proven that our attraction comes from looks of a girl and a girl's attraction for a guy comes from his challenge..well at age's before 30 that is.

 

[Santos]

I made this mistake when I started DJing. I assumed that I could just be a "challenge" by acting uninterested and being unavailable. It won't work, you have to display something attractive (not looks, personality) to get them interested and then they will WANT you because you're a challenge.

You have to apply challenge, mystery, C&F, confidence etc. Use all the DJ principles at once, not just one in isolation.

 

[SlyDonJuan]

So which one is it anyway?

If the girl is not interested in you from the beginning, then being a challenge will work???

That's strange, I read Doc Love's articles and he said there must be a slight attraction first in the beginning. If she has Low Interest Level (40-49%), then no matter what you do will not make her become attracted to you.

So right now, I've been a challenge to all women that I know. Unfortunately, being a challenge doesn't work for me. This shows all women have low IL in me and I am going to be f*cking loser in life.

 

[JJMcLure]

The idea is to DEMONSTRATE VALUE then pull away and be a CHALLENGE.

Of course, if you see a girl at (e.g. college, gym etc) and decide to act a "challenge" by not looking at her, not talking to her and not being around her, that would be STUPID. The only chick who would come at you would be an attention wh0re who wants every man's attention (and nothing more).

It is the man's job to INITIATE (deal with it, it's fact). That is a key part - if you do that you're at least in the game.

However, if you talked to a girl, got some rapport and then made little effort to approach her again - ****, some b1tches will do anything to get your attention if you've worked it well the first time. Even if you just said Hi. Then by not making big efforts to talk with her or be around her again/all the time, you are being a CHALLENGE. Take it or leave it type attitude.

Being a challenge in a relationship, that's a different thing again.

 

[Starman]

Just as a sidenote..in the girls mind you have to create the aura of being "challenging"...you can either do this by making it seem like alot of girls are after you (social proof, talking to many girls, etc) and you just shun those girls away

or you can create a challenge in her mind by giving her feedback..or having friends build up the idea in her head that you hard "hard to get"

Mannerism and the way you carry yourself also act as a factor in deciding if you are challenging or not (such as not being over zealous, being confident, etc)

I know a few times I went to my target HB and pointed out another girl and said "God that chick annoys the $hit outta me"

to set up the idea..that I dont just flock to the first pu$$y I see..

 

[BGMan]

It took me a while to figure out how "challenge" works. It does NOT mean you totally ignore her. What it means is that you show her your sparkling personality for a bit, then back off. This backing off is exactly what shoves you in the "potential lover" category rather than the friendzone.

Also, what it means is that you by no means force yourself on her. Don't make any attempt to follow her around and always try to talk to her. If you do that, she'll just find you annoying.

So, start the chemistry, and walk away. Remember, a watched pot never boils!

BGMan

 

[willysquared]

C&F + Chemistry + Social Proof + Challenge = PERFECT

You need to build chemistry before you position yourself out of her grasp. Social Proof helps alot, especially if you have people talking yourself up to her. C&F just makes you fun to be around, and leaves her wanting more.

 

[willysquared]

"So right now, I've been a challenge to all women that I know. Unfortunately, being a challenge doesn't work for me. This shows all women have low IL in me and I am going to be f*cking loser in life."

There's a difference between being a challenge, and living as a hermit alone, wanking it to porn. As a challenge, you are valuable, as a hermit, you are separated.

Also, take some f*cking confidence shots. You expect women to have high IL in you, when you call yourself a f*cking loser? If YOU think you are a loser, someone else is automatically supposed to find you valuable???

 

[Pecker]

I must disagree about women being attracted foremost to personality. Many are shallow and are, indeed, attracted FOREMOST to looks. This is not to say they're not into personality as well, but it is clearly unneccessary.

A guy who lives in my dorms has almost no personality. When sober he always wears the same facial expression, and being a severe alcoholic, he is belligerent and violent during the weekends. Yet, because he worked at Abercrombie and Fitch (a clothing line known for hiring incredibly good-looking people to work at the stores) he has scores of girls interested in him.

He gets drunk and curses, and passes out in my dorm hallway. Two girl-friends of his who are obviously both head over heels for him, but neither of whom he is attracted to, baby him around and follow him to "make sure he's okay" and walk him back to his room.

He went off on one of these girls for waking him up from a drunken slumber when he was lying on her bed (she wanted to go to sleep), and called her an ugly fat wh0re. This was Friday, and the cycle repeated that Saturday.

So don't tell me that women need the personality. They dig it when it's there, but by no means will they be un-interested without.

 

[ChevyLover]

Social Status (part of your personality or way people see you)

Pecker: (I like the name btw)

Yes, looks are important. But instead of personality, think of the phrase Social Status, or Popularity, combined with personality. That is very powerful. Think back to high school, (or even possibly university - haven't attended yet so I wouldn't know). Did the "losers" get girls? Were some of the "Cool Guys" that weren't too good looking still get laid a lot?

I know a fat guy with glasses that all through high school got hot chicks. He hung out with the "cool" crowd of his class all through school. His personality was shaped by the "cool" group, and this gave him enough confidence to get hot chicks. (Now he's graduated, and the last I heard about his escapades, he was f*cking a chick in the ass, and the next day she woke up to a pile of sh*t in her bed! lol)

Even myself for example. I used to be the biggest afc, shyer than f*cking sh*t. Since I was best friends with the coolest guy in my class, and together we were the only cool guys in our class, basically any chick I asked out in my class said yes. It however didn't last very long with the relationships, because I was shy, and an afc.

So your social standing, and how you think of yourself on a social level dramatically affects your personality. You may be an ugly mofo, but if everyone has a genuine liking to you, and the chick you are trying to get knows your status, your chances are MUCH better.

The guy that lives in your dorm, and gets drunk all the time, and passes out in the hallway, talks to his gf like that, and then lets everyone know about it...he's the talk of the dorm eh? I'm guessing he is fairly popular (mostly due to his craziness), which gets him ladies. University is kinda like high school in that regard - everyone respects the crazy rebels who don't give a sh*t. But it is these people that continue these habits after high school and university that don't turn out to be up to much.

I used to be like this too, but then I got an impaired and after doing some mushrooms for a weekend and driving drunk again, I had a revelation. (I'm only 18 at this time, so I kinda stick out among my peers...which was my goal at the time I guess, but now I regret it...) You can guess my revelation...something to the effect of "WHAT THE F*CK AM I DOING??!?!??" - you get the picture.


CL

 

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