Beautiful Women as Friends

[zekko]

I was reading this article, written by an "average looking" woman, about how beautiful women basically get spoiled by all the attention they get because of their looks, and don't know how to compromise or admit when they are wrong.

What I found interesting was the comments that readers posted in response to this. Most seemed to rip the author, calling her bitter, and maintained that looks didn't have anything to do with whether someone was a good person or not. While I agree with that to an extent, I do think that beautiful women are especially susceptible to getting an entitlement attitude because of all the attention that they get. Of course, a woman who doesn't get enough attention can get a bitter, hateful attitude also.

I thought a lot of the readers sticking up for the beautiful women were probably average looking females who were convinced THEY were exceptionally beautiful.

One comment I thought was interesting was someone who said that beautiful women had it hard because the only guys who would approach them were the players/****y type - the "nice, normal" men didn't have the guts. This suggests to me that a lot of women actually do prefer "nice, normal" type guys, but go out with players because they're the only ones who approach them. It also explains some of the impatience some girls display when getting hit on - they are likely tired of dealing with all the player types.

The point is, I think a lot of "nice, normal" type guys could do quite well with females as long as they remember to be masculine, remember their value, and to have the guts to approach.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/personal/09/28/tf.friends.with.pretty.women/index.html

 

[combustiont]

I was reading this article, written by an "average looking" woman, about how beautiful women basically get spoiled by all the attention they get because of their looks, and don't know how to compromise or admit when they are wrong.

What I found interesting was the comments that readers posted in response to this. Most seemed to rip the author, calling her bitter, and maintained that looks didn't have anything to do with whether someone was a good person or not. While I agree with that to an extent, I do think that beautiful women are especially susceptible to getting an entitlement attitude because of all the attention that they get. Of course, a woman who doesn't get enough attention can get a bitter, hateful attitude also.

I thought a lot of the readers sticking up for the beautiful women were probably average looking females who were convinced THEY were exceptionally beautiful.

One comment I thought was interesting was someone who said that beautiful women had it hard because the only guys who would approach them were the players/****y type - the "nice, normal" men didn't have the guts. This suggests to me that a lot of women actually do prefer "nice, normal" type guys, but go out with players because they're the only ones who approach them. It also explains some of the impatience some girls display when getting hit on - they are likely tired of dealing with all the player types.

The point is, I think a lot of "nice, normal" type guys could do quite well with females as long as they remember to be masculine, remember their value, and to have the guts to approach.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/personal/09/28/tf.friends.with.pretty.women/index.html

At the same time, i'm sure a lot of them think a lot of guys are "players" or "****y" because they don't put up with her ****, which she was again used to because she used people due to her looks. When she says she wants a nice normal guy, she wants someone to cater to her, which she'll eventually get bored with, and probably mess around with someone else.

 

[zekko]

At the same time, i'm sure a lot of them think a lot of guys are "players" or "****y" because they don't put up with her ****, which she was again used to because she used people due to her looks. When she says she wants a nice normal guy, she wants someone to cater to her, which she'll eventually get bored with, and probably mess around with someone else.

It should be noted that it was a reader that made the remark about players, not the "beautiful woman" in the article.

Think about it, why would a woman want a player anyway? A player will by definition screw around on her. I can only think of a few reasons:
1) They are just interested in short term sex.
2) They think they can change him.
3) They are pathetic and easily manipulated (sort of a female AFC).
4) They are hoes and don't care if he messes around with other women, because they will be doing the same.

I think most decent women DO want a "nice, normal" guy, they just want a nice, normal guy with guts.

 

[Igetit!]

I checked out the article in the link and the title was "Pretty women can be hard to be friends with". I agree. The thing is really attractive women know they're attractive,and they used their looks to their advantage.


And to be honest,I can't blame them for doing so.

The world can be a rough place.



If you have something about yourself that's natural,something that you're born with and it can help you out in this life,then I can't knock someone for using it.



If you have a beautiful voice and you can sing well,then if you can use that to better your life by becoming a singer,well hey,go for it.



If you're athletic,and you can run fast and jump high,and those abilities can get you into professional sports (NFL,NBA,etc),then who am I to tell you you shouldn't do it?


Because one day,that beautiful voice and that atheletic talent won't be there. So I say use it while you can.




A hot woman won't be hot forever. They know that,so they use their looks to get what they can while they can.




I used to be against women doing that,but if I tell a woman she shouldn't use her looks,and she has nothing else to fall back on,me correcting her and telling her how I think she should do things won't put food on her table,or a roof over her head.



If her flirting with someone can get her an extra benefit that an average or ugly woman can't or would have to work harder to get,then so be it.




This is why (like the article said) pretty women can be hard to be friends with. Because others around them will see how much easier things are for them,while they themselves have to struggle or put in an extra effort just to receive the same level of treatment.



If you see someone getting things easily that you yourself have to struggle for,then yeah,you're going to be jealous. That's one of the reasons it's hard to be friends with them.




Plus,them getting thing effortlessly will spoil them and make them stuckup.




That's why you have to neg the crap out of a "9" or a "10". They're so used to getting things easily,so you have to bust on them to make it a challenge.



Otherwise,they'll lose interest.



It sucks,but that's the way the world works.




I'm sure you've all heard of the tv show "Good Times". J.J. was a talented artist who lived in the ghetto,and all he talked about was how one day he was going to make it big,and "paint" his way out of the ghetto.




He was going to use something that was natural to him,something that other people around him didn't have,to improve his life.




That's what "hot" women do.



The difference between beauty and a talent like painting or having atheletic ability is that beauty is universally desired. It doesn't matter how good of an artist you are,some people just don't care.



And it doesn't matter how good your atheletic abilities are,some employers aren't interested because it may not have any value to the particular job you're applying for.




But beauty is valued BY ALL.



A man may hire woman for a position that she's totally UNQUALIFIED FOR simply because she's attractive,and pass up the perfect applicant for the job.




Yeah,that sucks and I don't like it,but if the attractive woman has been out of work for the past 4 months with no income,bills mounting,about to get her car repossessed,or house foreclosed on,and something simple as her looks can prevent all that,I say go for it.




I wouldn't be like,"Well no,I can't rely on my looks to get the job",then leave the place and go back home and wait for the creditors to call or come knocking on my door.




Someone may say,"Yeah,but at least you'll still have your pride".


Trick that.




That pride won't keep my stomach from growling,or make my house payment.




When it comes to survival and meeting your basic needs just to live,if all you have to do is bat your eyelashes,I say get to battin'.

 

[zekko]

I certainly wouldn't suggest that attractive women shouldn't use their beauty to succeed in life. You use whatever you have, to the best of your ability. The question is, does that beauty actually interfere with their maturity and with developing a good personality? Because they're used to getting whatever they want because they're good looking? Or is it just bitterness on the part of the author?

I could see a scenario where their beauty might actually hurt them when looking for a job: If it's a place where a woman does the hiring, she may hesitate to bring in an attractive girl because she could end up taking a lot of male attention away from her. It might be easier to hire the ugly girl and keep things on a more even playing field.

 

[Skydiver43127]

Heh, I'd hire an attractive girl over any other candidate. They're more hardworking, always trying to prove they're not just about looks. This improves productivity and as long as you have enough men (lazy but smart) to keep the efficiency high it's a perfect setup.

But that's beside the point.

One comment I thought was interesting was someone who said that beautiful women had it hard because the only guys who would approach them were the players/****y type - the "nice, normal" men didn't have the guts. This suggests to me that a lot of women actually do prefer "nice, normal" type guys, but go out with players because they're the only ones who approach them. It also explains some of the impatience some girls display when getting hit on - they are likely tired of dealing with all the player types.

That's actually what the b*ch shield is designed to do - repel the players, let the nice guys in. As previous posters said - if a nice guy is repelled by the b*ch shield, he's by definition "a player". By the same logic if a player is let in - he's a nice, normal guy who happens to have sex with lots of women.

 

[Phenomenal One]

The question is, does that beauty actually interfere with their maturity and with developing a good personality? Because they're used to getting whatever they want because they're good looking? Or is it just bitterness on the part of the author?

i've seen this in some woman.
since it's normal for them to get what they want, when someone refuses their
demands that person is seen as the enemy and something is obviously wrong with THEM.
"if he or she does'nt do_________than he or she is ___________"

 

[Duffdog]

I certainly wouldn't suggest that attractive women shouldn't use their beauty to succeed in life.

The currency of a female is her looks. While one might make the claim that hot girls should not "use" their beauty, there is no way that it cannot have an effect on everything in their life. No matter what she chooses to do, she will always be "A hot girl, who is also a doctor", never the other way around.


You use whatever you have, to the best of your ability. The question is, does that beauty actually interfere with their maturity and with developing a good personality?
Define "good" personality. If by good, you mean "easy for insecure guys to talk to" then I consider that a poor personality. Having actually had a hb10 as a best friend, I can tell you that being a straight up biatch is way better than being a passive girl. Passive "nice" girls with "good personalities" are usually boring, married and not attractive. In short, there is really no reason for a hot girl to ever be nice, thus, due to her beauty, she is entitled to be a b1tch.

Because they're used to getting whatever they want because they're good looking? Or is it just bitterness on the part of the author?

If a female writes any article about other girls and their beauty, there is definitely an undertone of jealousy. Females are incapable of accepting inferiority due to differences based on beauty.

I could see a scenario where their beauty might actually hurt them when looking for a job: If it's a place where a woman does the hiring, she may hesitate to bring in an attractive girl because she could end up taking a lot of male attention away from her.

Ding,ding,ding!!! winner! Now you have just stumbled upon the differences between male and female run businesses. Male managers consider beautiful female employees as objective revenue generation devices while female managers consider them to be competition which is counterproductive to their own agendas. Since females are not capable of fully compartmentalized thinking which separates emotion from logic, they are also not capable of fully objectifying another females beauty when in close proximity to that female, and especially if the other female is more attractive.

It might be easier to hire the ugly girl and keep things on a more even playing field.

dang hot girls...

 

[zekko]

Having actually had a hb10 as a best friend, I can tell you that being a straight up biatch is way better than being a passive girl. Passive "nice" girls with "good personalities" are usually boring, married and not attractive. In short, there is really no reason for a hot girl to ever be nice, thus, due to her beauty, she is entitled to be a b1tch.

Wow, I could not disagree more. There is no sufficient cause or reason to be a *****. I guess some guys are into that sort of thing, but there is no way I would put up with one.

 

[Duffdog]

Wow, I could not disagree more. There is no sufficient cause or reason to be a *****. I guess some guys are into that sort of thing, but there is no way I would put up with one.

This shows that you have never had one. Think about this: what if EVERYWHERE you two went, guys were trying to hit on her. And I mean everywhere--in a 7-11, at parties, getting gas, even trying to sit down for a nice dinner with her you would have guys coming up and trying to get her number...right in front of you!! And along with that, they would disrespect you because they were blinded by her beauty. You would get real tired of it really quick. The only saving grace was that she was a TOTAL b1tch if the guy was annoying. And I mean a TOTAL b1tch-- as in she would first pour her drink on him, then throw the glass at him and bounce it off his head.

And lets not forget how many times I had to get in fights because of this. But, it all comes with being around an HB10. So, if you aren't ready for that, a 10 is probably not for you.

Just remember, if you are not getting into at least 1 confrontation when you and your girlfriend go out...she isn't a 10.

 

[zekko]

Just remember, if you are not getting into at least 1 confrontation when you and your girlfriend go out...she isn't a 10.

First off, I don't believe there is such a thing as a 10. I like the system where a 9 is the highest because 10s don't really exist.
Secondly, I agree with you about the confrontations, and about highly attractive women getting hit on all the time.

Where we disagree is that I do not define a "b!tch" as being someone who blows off guys hitting on her. I define it as how she treats those people she is actually friends with, or intimate with. Please note by the way that the article that I posted was written by a WOMAN, she was talking about being friends with a beautiful woman and being unhappy with the way she was treated by her. I realize I should have come up with a better subject line for this thread, because it's a bit misleading.

 

[Igetit!]

I certainly wouldn't suggest that attractive women shouldn't use their beauty to succeed in life. You use whatever you have, to the best of your ability. The question is, does that beauty actually interfere with their maturity and with developing a good personality? Because they're used to getting whatever they want because they're good looking?

A woman's beauty has nothing to do with her maturity,it's PEOPLE'S REACTION TO HER BEAUTY (especially men's),and the way OTHERS TREAT HER.

If you're out minding your own business and people out of nowhere keep approaching you,try to give you things,making things easy for you,and you notice that you can obtain things easily while seeing other's struggle,and this has been going on ever since you were a child,of course it'll interfere with their maturity level.


They'll think they're better than others.You know why? Because they've been treated better than others they whole lives.



If they're repeatly told they're "hot" or beautiful and the person that told them that keeps trying to give them things without them asking for it,then they'll develop a sense of entitlement attitude.


It's not their fault they were formed that way,but it is their fault if they continue to stay that way once they realize that they're no better than anyone else.



It's like if you repeatedly tell a child he's worthless or nothing,and he hears this his whole life,he'll grow up feeling worthless and it'll be reflected in his behavior as well.




It's not his fault he was repeatly degraded and put down as a child,just like it's not a girl's fault if people constantly tell her she's pretty or beautiful as a child growing up.





It can't be a coincedence that ALL 9s and 10s are stuckup or snotty.


Something must have happened to cause them to be that way.




I remember seeing a commercial about the season premiere of a reality show where the contestants are suppsed to live off the land.


One of the contestants was an hb8.5-9.



She said something I'll never forget,something that even though she's hot,she doesn't have a "better than you/stuckup attitude".



She said,"Being pretty never got me an extra piece of chick at the dinner table with my parents having 8 mouths to feed".



So I don't think a woman's appearance affects whether she's mature or not,it's the way she's treated that affects it.



In fact,her beauty means nothing unless there's someone else around her to notice it and react to it.




I don't care how "hot" a woman is. I don't care if she's an HB11.


If she's alone with no one around her,her beauty has NO POWER.

 

[DJDamage]

One comment I thought was interesting was someone who said that beautiful women had it hard because the only guys who would approach them were the players/****y type - the "nice, normal" men didn't have the guts. This suggests to me that a lot of women actually do prefer "nice, normal" type guys, but go out with players because they're the only ones who approach them. It also explains some of the impatience some girls display when getting hit on - they are likely tired of dealing with all the player types.

Don't believe everything you read.

The so called "nice, normal " men are invisible to these women because they don't have game. Once they do develop a game they become the so called "players".

Women go out with players because they know those guys have game and this makes them wet down below.

Men are called players when they are good with women, but when a woman is beautiful she becomes a natural player and is able to attract plethora of successful men whom she is able to manipulate with access to her vagina.

The player is basically the kind of guy who doesn't fall for their manipulation and uses the exact game women play on men for his advantage.

 

[DonJuan11]

I was reading this article, written by an "average looking" woman, about how beautiful women basically get spoiled by all the attention they get because of their looks, and don't know how to compromise or admit when they are wrong.

What I found interesting was the comments that readers posted in response to this. Most seemed to rip the author, calling her bitter, and maintained that looks didn't have anything to do with whether someone was a good person or not. While I agree with that to an extent, I do think that beautiful women are especially susceptible to getting an entitlement attitude because of all the attention that they get. Of course, a woman who doesn't get enough attention can get a bitter, hateful attitude also.

The same can and does apply to men.

One comment I thought was interesting was someone who said that beautiful women had it hard because the only guys who would approach them were the players/****y type - the "nice, normal" men didn't have the guts. This suggests to me that a lot of women actually do prefer "nice, normal" type guys, but go out with players because they're the only ones who approach them. It also explains some of the impatience some girls display when getting hit on - they are likely tired of dealing with all the player types.

After the beautiful women have been burned by the player types who are confident enough to approach them, then the nice normal guys only come into play. You will never find a beautiful women with a "nice normal" (read: boring) guy in their late teens or early to mid 20s. Only after they want to settle and realize the player guy is no good to raise a family and be a husband, they yearn for the nice normal guy (read: boring)

The point is, I think a lot of "nice, normal" type guys could do quite well with females as long as they remember to be masculine, remember their value, and to have the guts to approach.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/personal/09/28/tf.friends.with.pretty.women/index.html

As long you are not boring and genuinely like the girl, yes, you do have a chance.

 

[zekko]

The so called "nice, normal " men are invisible to these women because they don't have game.

I do not agree with this. I might believe it if beautiful women only dated players, but they do not. Players are just one type of successful man that women might go for. They might also go for a "nice, normal" man who is in a position of power, has a good income, has a good social life and social network, is very good looking, is very talented at something, etc.

 

[Duffdog]

Players are just one type of successful man that women might go fo

yeah... about that. The problem with your statement is that any man who becomes or is successful with women IS a player. This is because he has multiple females at all times and other females do not like competition. Nice guys on the other hand do not have multiple hot females all the time, if they did, they would not be considered nice. Whether or not the male considers himself a player or not is really a non-issue, it only matters if he is desired by other females when a new female likes him.

Its a very simple concept, really. "Players" are males who are able to play with females because they are the desirable males that all the women want. Women who say they don't like players are so full of crap its ridiculous--they want a player, they just can't have one because they either aren't good enough or can't compete with what he already has.

So yeah, in the eyes of a girl she doesn't want a player-- mostly because he actually is better than her and what woman in her right mind wants to acknowledge that?

 

[Nutz]

Along with what the author described is something we all have probably noticed, but perhaps not articulated. Woman love having male friends, not only because of the attention and favors we do for them, but because we don't disagree with them as the auther does. This is why you hear the hot ones saying they get along with guys better than other women. It's because other women like the author won't put up with their sh!t.