salinechow
Senior Don Juan
The honesty approach is just telling them what no other guy would ever say. Instead of using the normal lines of BS we all come up with. I just tell them whatever I am actually doing. It comes of natural and unique.
Example -"Me and my buddy over there wanted a pretty girls opinion on how we look tonight to meet other girls. Do you like the scarf?" Where did you get yours?"
Example- I sat down next to a girl on a train once and asked her to help me text another girl. HB9. I spent 3 hrs with her after that, drinking and partying, and got her number with ease.
Example- Im trying to help my buddy over there see that its not that hard to talk to beautiful girls. That you are just people too and can be a lot of fun. Hot chicks are just people looking to have fun and have interesting conversation like we are. Am I right?
Example- "I never approach girls like this because they usually come up to me. It kinda makes me nervous but how am I doing so far? Thanks for being so easy to talk to and not *****y like the rest of them. (This is a little AFC but can be modified)(Its really the delivery. If you are actually nervous it might breakdown)
Example- Tread lightly with this one- "I noticed you look (mad), (upset), (****ty) (cold). Why are you so down?
Example- Not Honesty really, but funny- "Where haven’t I seen you before"
Example- Neg line. "I saw you from over there and thought you were stunning. Now that Im closer I realize, not as stunning this close up but still beautiful and you smell great." Obviously be careful and have a good recovery. I usually use " OmG you are back to stunning again because over there I didnt notice you smile with your whole face."
I guess maybe its not necessarily the "Honesty" approach as much as the "unconventional" approach.
The idea is to disarm them with a line that allows your own vulnerability with actually seeming vulnerable. You could even say" I have been treated like crap by chicks ( or 4 months ago I got out of a relationship were I was treated like crap) and Im sick of it. I was wondering if I could by you a drink and see if you would try and treat me like crap and see if I can stand up to it better. Want to help?
Obviously only the most viscious chick would actually do that. Most give you the awwww and will ask questions about why and how. Remember, now you go DJ. I have had chicks say, you dont seem like the type that would allow that to happen. That’s a good thing. You disarm them with sweetness then once inside the castle you burn it down. Trojan horse style.
I have used with amazing success. " I just got broken up with by a girl who is not nearly as pretty as you. Can you help me by rejecting me. Tell me you have a BF or to get lost or whatever. Because if I get rejected by a girl way hotter than her enough times its that much easier to forget about it."
I cant believe how well that one has worked.
Along the same lines.
" I am trying to get rejected 50 times this month by the prettiest girl I see in any situation. Care to help me out?"
If they ask why? You could say its a sales tactic from a book or seminar. You could say you are just sick of getting mediocre girls #s. You could say the above line about being hurt by someone else. Whatever.
Again. Disarm. Be unique. Be confident, even though the words themselves might not be. Then, once inside the castle, reframe and DJ.
In this( two people asked me to elaborate from another post of mine about short guys having a disadvantage) particular case: I walked up to her and said this.
"I have to know what those 2 guys where saying to you just now"
HB8 and HB6 (very guarded) "Why is that?"
Me: "Well me and my friend Pete here, while we are enjoying ourselves, are out tonight studying human interactions and particularly body language and non- verbal communication. What where those guys saying to you. I have to know? See if we were right."
HB8 and HB6 (Still very guarded but probably intrigued) "Well they were saying a alot of things, they were here for an hour"
Me: "ugh. (rolls eyes)(Turns to Pete) "So we were right Pete"
Me: "You see Hbs I could tell while watching you interact for the last 60 secs that you were totally uninterested in what they had to say"
HB8 "How could you tell that?"
Me: "I could tell in a lot of ways but the best way is in the feet"
HB8 (Now she shifts her posture) "Blah, Blah,"
Me: "You see! Right there. Now I can tell you ARE interested in what I have to say."
HB8 "O yeah. How What makes you think that."(Trying to be ****ty but totally intrigued now)
Me: "Because you just opened up your torso by putting your hand on your hip. You opened yourself up, unguarded posture.
Also you crossed one leg over the other as well. This means you are comfortable with me because your brain is telling you you wont have to run away. You want to stay and listen. You see if you felt threatened by me or uninterested, like you were with those gargantuans, your feet would be pointed towards an exit. Or, at least towards your friend whom you trust and offer safety and protection."
"Listen, we dont have much time before those goons get back. So here’s how this works. When they get back we will see if they demonstrate aplha or beta behavior. If they have any guts they will confront me and ask me to leave. Yet, I dont think they will do that. I think they will try to gently put the squeeze on me and Pete and gather intel about who we are. Even in there small minds, they will be able to tell that you are comfortable with me by your stance and will probably assume we know each other. If they are a real weak-minded they won’t even offer you the drink they got you and just walk away. Want to see if Im right?"
HB8 (Inches closer to me and speaks in my ear) "I hope you are right?"
Me: "Well that was a pretty bold statement. What made you say that."
HB8 " I like you. I like what you have to say. I want to keep talking to you. They were boring."
Me: "Ok. Lets see"
The basketball team came back. I was still talking to HB8 of course and she was eating out of my hand. One of them nudged me in the back. I told her to notice it. She did and pulled closer to me. I deconstructed her non verbal of doing this and she loved it. I turn to the basketball players and said this: "Look boys, the girls appreciate you efforts but they have to drive soon so..." Before, too tall Tom could say anything the girl peeked from behind me and said "Bye" and waved. Done and done.
We continued talking. I kept with the body language stuff but also asked her about herself. She was so into me it made her nervous actually but she mustered a few questions back. I was vague but interesting. HEAVY kino!
At one point I told her she should stop biting and liking her lips so much because it was sending the signals to me that she was interested in more than just conversation. She blushed. As nervous as I made her I could tell she kind of felt liberated not having to play games because she thought "Why try to hide it this guy is amazing and can tell more than I can that I like him"
So here is a huge highlight to all of this. I couldn’t believe it myself. It is a testimony to heavy kino and a girl being into you.
At one point she was dragging her finger across the inside of her pants and panty line while talking to me. As soon as I spotted this I leaned to one side of her and got very close to her ear and gently cupped the other side of her head and I whispered.
"Uh oh HB8. You are in real trouble with me now." and pulled away.
HB8 " Uh oh. Why is that."
Me: Looking at her seductively. Pretending I am almost embarrassed.
HB8 "You are thinking naughty thoughts arnt you. Its naughty isnt it?"
Me: I nod yes.
HB8 "What. What is it? Why am I in trouble. What did I do? What did you see?"
Me: "Your hips."
HB8 Looks down at her hips "What. What about it"
Me: I take my finger and run it on the inside of her pants and panties just like she was doing. My finger just next to hers. I do it real gentle and slow right across her hipbone and pull my finger out of her pants line right before it gets close to her midline as to not be to forward about it.
Me: "See the hips in non-verbal communication are for really only one thing." I pause.
HB8 Blushing and stunned. Hanging on my words.
Me: "This is a little weird for me to say to a stranger but, um".... I Pause again.
HB8 "Sex!?"
Me: "Well actually, reproduction yes. You see by doing that you are telling me you are ready. You are showing me you healthy and attracted me but you have no idea you are even doing it."
HB8 "OMG. Who are you. Do you work for the FBI, CIA, WTF. I didnt even realize I was doing that. I never do that. OMG. Ugh. Um.. uh..."
Me: "Don’t be embarrassed its OK. Nobody really would ever notice anyway but me. Its a good thing. I dont judge you for what you cant control. It just means we should see each other again. No big deal."
HB8 "Uh huh. Yes. Definitely"
P.S Totally sober girl. Gave me her # with vigor.
Example -"Me and my buddy over there wanted a pretty girls opinion on how we look tonight to meet other girls. Do you like the scarf?" Where did you get yours?"
Example- I sat down next to a girl on a train once and asked her to help me text another girl. HB9. I spent 3 hrs with her after that, drinking and partying, and got her number with ease.
Example- Im trying to help my buddy over there see that its not that hard to talk to beautiful girls. That you are just people too and can be a lot of fun. Hot chicks are just people looking to have fun and have interesting conversation like we are. Am I right?
Example- "I never approach girls like this because they usually come up to me. It kinda makes me nervous but how am I doing so far? Thanks for being so easy to talk to and not *****y like the rest of them. (This is a little AFC but can be modified)(Its really the delivery. If you are actually nervous it might breakdown)
Example- Tread lightly with this one- "I noticed you look (mad), (upset), (****ty) (cold). Why are you so down?
Example- Not Honesty really, but funny- "Where haven’t I seen you before"
Example- Neg line. "I saw you from over there and thought you were stunning. Now that Im closer I realize, not as stunning this close up but still beautiful and you smell great." Obviously be careful and have a good recovery. I usually use " OmG you are back to stunning again because over there I didnt notice you smile with your whole face."
I guess maybe its not necessarily the "Honesty" approach as much as the "unconventional" approach.
The idea is to disarm them with a line that allows your own vulnerability with actually seeming vulnerable. You could even say" I have been treated like crap by chicks ( or 4 months ago I got out of a relationship were I was treated like crap) and Im sick of it. I was wondering if I could by you a drink and see if you would try and treat me like crap and see if I can stand up to it better. Want to help?
Obviously only the most viscious chick would actually do that. Most give you the awwww and will ask questions about why and how. Remember, now you go DJ. I have had chicks say, you dont seem like the type that would allow that to happen. That’s a good thing. You disarm them with sweetness then once inside the castle you burn it down. Trojan horse style.
I have used with amazing success. " I just got broken up with by a girl who is not nearly as pretty as you. Can you help me by rejecting me. Tell me you have a BF or to get lost or whatever. Because if I get rejected by a girl way hotter than her enough times its that much easier to forget about it."
I cant believe how well that one has worked.
Along the same lines.
" I am trying to get rejected 50 times this month by the prettiest girl I see in any situation. Care to help me out?"
If they ask why? You could say its a sales tactic from a book or seminar. You could say you are just sick of getting mediocre girls #s. You could say the above line about being hurt by someone else. Whatever.
Again. Disarm. Be unique. Be confident, even though the words themselves might not be. Then, once inside the castle, reframe and DJ.
In this( two people asked me to elaborate from another post of mine about short guys having a disadvantage) particular case: I walked up to her and said this.
"I have to know what those 2 guys where saying to you just now"
HB8 and HB6 (very guarded) "Why is that?"
Me: "Well me and my friend Pete here, while we are enjoying ourselves, are out tonight studying human interactions and particularly body language and non- verbal communication. What where those guys saying to you. I have to know? See if we were right."
HB8 and HB6 (Still very guarded but probably intrigued) "Well they were saying a alot of things, they were here for an hour"
Me: "ugh. (rolls eyes)(Turns to Pete) "So we were right Pete"
Me: "You see Hbs I could tell while watching you interact for the last 60 secs that you were totally uninterested in what they had to say"
HB8 "How could you tell that?"
Me: "I could tell in a lot of ways but the best way is in the feet"
HB8 (Now she shifts her posture) "Blah, Blah,"
Me: "You see! Right there. Now I can tell you ARE interested in what I have to say."
HB8 "O yeah. How What makes you think that."(Trying to be ****ty but totally intrigued now)
Me: "Because you just opened up your torso by putting your hand on your hip. You opened yourself up, unguarded posture.
Also you crossed one leg over the other as well. This means you are comfortable with me because your brain is telling you you wont have to run away. You want to stay and listen. You see if you felt threatened by me or uninterested, like you were with those gargantuans, your feet would be pointed towards an exit. Or, at least towards your friend whom you trust and offer safety and protection."
"Listen, we dont have much time before those goons get back. So here’s how this works. When they get back we will see if they demonstrate aplha or beta behavior. If they have any guts they will confront me and ask me to leave. Yet, I dont think they will do that. I think they will try to gently put the squeeze on me and Pete and gather intel about who we are. Even in there small minds, they will be able to tell that you are comfortable with me by your stance and will probably assume we know each other. If they are a real weak-minded they won’t even offer you the drink they got you and just walk away. Want to see if Im right?"
HB8 (Inches closer to me and speaks in my ear) "I hope you are right?"
Me: "Well that was a pretty bold statement. What made you say that."
HB8 " I like you. I like what you have to say. I want to keep talking to you. They were boring."
Me: "Ok. Lets see"
The basketball team came back. I was still talking to HB8 of course and she was eating out of my hand. One of them nudged me in the back. I told her to notice it. She did and pulled closer to me. I deconstructed her non verbal of doing this and she loved it. I turn to the basketball players and said this: "Look boys, the girls appreciate you efforts but they have to drive soon so..." Before, too tall Tom could say anything the girl peeked from behind me and said "Bye" and waved. Done and done.
We continued talking. I kept with the body language stuff but also asked her about herself. She was so into me it made her nervous actually but she mustered a few questions back. I was vague but interesting. HEAVY kino!
At one point I told her she should stop biting and liking her lips so much because it was sending the signals to me that she was interested in more than just conversation. She blushed. As nervous as I made her I could tell she kind of felt liberated not having to play games because she thought "Why try to hide it this guy is amazing and can tell more than I can that I like him"
So here is a huge highlight to all of this. I couldn’t believe it myself. It is a testimony to heavy kino and a girl being into you.
At one point she was dragging her finger across the inside of her pants and panty line while talking to me. As soon as I spotted this I leaned to one side of her and got very close to her ear and gently cupped the other side of her head and I whispered.
"Uh oh HB8. You are in real trouble with me now." and pulled away.
HB8 " Uh oh. Why is that."
Me: Looking at her seductively. Pretending I am almost embarrassed.
HB8 "You are thinking naughty thoughts arnt you. Its naughty isnt it?"
Me: I nod yes.
HB8 "What. What is it? Why am I in trouble. What did I do? What did you see?"
Me: "Your hips."
HB8 Looks down at her hips "What. What about it"
Me: I take my finger and run it on the inside of her pants and panties just like she was doing. My finger just next to hers. I do it real gentle and slow right across her hipbone and pull my finger out of her pants line right before it gets close to her midline as to not be to forward about it.
Me: "See the hips in non-verbal communication are for really only one thing." I pause.
HB8 Blushing and stunned. Hanging on my words.
Me: "This is a little weird for me to say to a stranger but, um".... I Pause again.
HB8 "Sex!?"
Me: "Well actually, reproduction yes. You see by doing that you are telling me you are ready. You are showing me you healthy and attracted me but you have no idea you are even doing it."
HB8 "OMG. Who are you. Do you work for the FBI, CIA, WTF. I didnt even realize I was doing that. I never do that. OMG. Ugh. Um.. uh..."
Me: "Don’t be embarrassed its OK. Nobody really would ever notice anyway but me. Its a good thing. I dont judge you for what you cant control. It just means we should see each other again. No big deal."
HB8 "Uh huh. Yes. Definitely"
P.S Totally sober girl. Gave me her # with vigor.