Barbell/Dumbbell rows vs. Weighted pull-ups

[stronglifts]

I don't see any drastic need to be super duper strict on these. I admit i start throwing a bit of hip power into the last couple reps...not too much.

Actually i'm not even sure how to count reps on these because reps start to die out a few inches short of my gut and the last few reps aren't full 100% reps. Still don't think it matters as long as the weights are going up and you're still doing a number of perfect reps. Same thing happens on pulldowns and other rows. What muscles are even responsible for those last few inches in a rowing movement? I feel like the biceps are really involved right at the end...

Let me clarify.

A correct row has:
* chest forward
* little hip extension (this is cheating in my book)
* shoulderblades trying to touch each other
* the elbows going way back

I have no problems with doing partial reps. My training involves lockouts, quarters, half for lifts like the deadlift/press/squat/...

Doing partials on the bb row?
If the goal is to overload your back, there are better exercise for this.
If you just can touch your abdomen: the weight is too heavy.

 

[Being_the_Don]

How do these 2 exercises compare to each other?

I do weighted pull ups, weighted chin ups, deadlifts, power cleans, back extensions, sandbag carrying, sandbag shouldering, farmer's walks, sledgehammer swings, and medicine ball slams, and these all hit the back nicely, but I don't do rows. Wondering if there would be any benefit in incorporating them into my workout.

Pull ups are good, I do 5 sets every other gym visit. But I prefer weighted pull downs on the machine. As for those, I've steadily been increasing the amount of weight on the pull downs since I joined the gym last January. I feel my strength increasing so I'll be increasing the amount of weight again soon enough. I think you should try doing a few sets.

 

[LoneSilver]

OK, thanks stronglifts.

LoneSilver

Yes you should be able to row & pull-up/chin-ups as heavy as your bench.

 

[stronglifts]

Pull ups are good, I do 5 sets every other gym visit. But I prefer weighted pull downs on the machine. As for those, I've steadily been increasing the amount of weight on the pull downs since I joined the gym last January. I feel my strength increasing so I'll be increasing the amount of weight again soon enough. I think you should try doing a few sets.

pull downs aren't as effective as pull-ups/chin-ups.

Machine < Barbells/Bodyweight.

 

[Being_the_Don]

pull downs aren't as effective as pull-ups/chin-ups.

Machine < Barbells/Bodyweight.

I do them both but I found the pull downs very effective, they actually helped me achieve more pull ups.

 

[stronglifts]

I do them both but I found the pull downs very effective, they actually helped me achieve more pull ups.

You'd have achieved more pull-ups by doing more pull-ups (principle of specificity)