Bad Boys have good genes!

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Got bored and started browsing the net and found this article from psychologytoday.com

Neanderthink: The Appeal of the Bad Boy
Bad boys will always be with us because they have good genes to spare.


Attraction can make enemies of the brain and the heart. Take Karen, a successful, good-looking 32-year-old woman who wondered why it always took her several months to find out that a guy she liked was a player (or worse). She would become powerfully attracted to certain men, and know instantly upon meeting them that there were sparks.

What she didn't realize, in spite of her friends' chorus of warnings, was that she was attracted to "bad boys." All she knew was that she was drawn to men with a certain swagger and stride. For all their boldness and bravado, she invariably later felt mistreated. "Am I doomed to just love bastards?" she asked me after one too many took command and then took his leave.

Conversely, nice-guy Adam, 40, a businessman, took classes on "picking up chicks," most of which emphasized acting strong and dominant. He tried hard to find the right degree of badness—usually to frustrating effect, because he came across as rude. "I was giving women the neg, which I guess backfired. Maybe women are crazy," he complained after trying out his techniques at several bars.

What's the appeal of the bad boy who gets the girl? Like the peacock's tail, excitement and ****iness can be costly for men, inviting opposition from other men. But such traits are also likely to win him social cachet by advertising that he has fitness to burn. So the answer may be that the scoundrel gets the girl—but not for long. His roguish behavior wins out: Either he moves on, hawking his testosterone-rich genetic wares on the romantic market, or she gets exasperated with his impulsiveness and pulls away.

James Dean, Elvis, 50 Cent—every decade offers an iconic bad boy who gets the girl. The rock stars, the dudes with the smoldering eyes at the bar, the strong, silent types. The template can morph, but the assessment is the same—the guy's got genes that make women weak in the knees, and the power and confidence that signal them.

In its pernicious version, bad becomes really bad, as in psychopathy. The psychopath takes advantage of people's implicit trust, and has evolved a strategy that opportunistically seeks out victims. Even when he's not physically dangerous, a compulsively fun-loving rogue, in love with his own social power, can waste a lot of time, notably a woman's reproductive time, with his unwillingness to commit to one damsel or settle down to raise a family. So, what's so good about being bad?

From a Darwinian point of view, females are the choosier sex, and males compete for their attention. The result of this competition is that men have evolved strategies such as seeking alpha status.

The more likely a relationship is to be fleeting, the more likely a woman is to seek a man with high quality genes. Evolutionary psychologists define "good genes" for men as high-testosterone-fueled masculinity, symmetry, height, and, believe it or not, parasite resistance. Men who are blessed with these qualities tend to be confident and dominant. And able to get away with roguish behavior.

It's not all a positive for them, since they are also more prone to taking risks and getting into fights and accidents. Still, they offer a primal appeal that would have been advantageous in the ancestral setting—fighting skills, passion, lust for the damsel.

"Women intuitively get attracted to brave acts of altruism more than to altruism per se," says Daniel Kruger of the University of Michigan, principal author of a study on "dads and cads." "A distinction between long-term and short-term relationships is important for understanding women's partner choices." A love of boldness helps women find strong males as mates.

Secretly they harbor the fantasy of turning their genetically gifted cads into loving dads who stick around long-term, long enough to help raise the kids. Think Warren Beatty and Keith Richards; fairy tales sometimes come true.
But wait; don't all women want a kind, understanding guy? Of course; it's just that nice isn't a high-caliber turn-on in the short term, unlike bravado. Says Kruger, "Women want their emotions activated." And audacity grabs attention, even if only in the service of marshaling good genes.
A clue to female psychology emerges in a study examining the cheesy best sellers that set millions of women on a Harlequin high. The male protagonists are invariably studs on steeds who morph into devoted dads by novel's end. That is, the women get the best of both worlds.

When women want it all—great genes, and a reliable breadwinner—the odds of finding satisfaction grow slim. It's human nature to want it all; what man doesn't want a gorgeous young woman who is equally devoted to having sex and washing his car? But it's a slightly elusive proposition, because in reality we have forced choices.
Trade-offs are the stuff of economics, evolutio
n, and, of course, sex. We rarely get it all, or if we do, it won't be for long. That's not so bad, since romantic goals and appreciation evolve as we age. Women, for example, can cavort with cads at little cost when they're young, but may later need to tighten up their standards for what constitutes a good relationship when they feel the urge to raise a family.
Some men grow up and want a family, too. But some stay boys forever. And there are those women who, in their infatuation with cads, endlessly pursue a challenge, telling themselves, "I have to get that guy, he's the only one I want."

Such a scenario sets bad boys up with an open opportunity to take advantage of the best years of a woman's life. But, on some level, she's getting what she wants as well. Her behavior is likely to get her "sexy sons." That is, she may not get the guy for long. But she will pass the good genes into eternity. —Nando Pelusi

The Good, the Bad, and the Rest

Good guys are bewildered by the propensity of women to fall for the bad boys. And good women are indeed drawn to bad boys despite their emotional and sometimes physical unavailability. How, then, to make the mating game work with minimal pain?

• For Good Guys: Take heart; most women will want a good guy with good prospects (a stable job and lifestyle) eventually. Don't try to "act bad," since you'll come across as rude, a rube, or worse. Instead, work on being independent and assertive, and allowing spontaneity into your repartee. Discover your connection with someone in visceral, not just cerebral, ways.
• For Bad Boys: You don't need my advice—unless you want to have a great long-term relationship. Then you must learn to open up to the joys of committing—and they do exist.
• For women: Know what you really want, and accept the trade-off between your hot date and your simmering mate. Neither is right or wrong for you as long as you know what you're getting into. If you feel endangered or irritated by a man's compulsive and impulsive behaviors, get out immediately.
From a fellow DJ to another,
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This is the full link if interested:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200901/neanderthink-the-appeal-the-bad-boy?page=2
 

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java01 said:
Got bored and started browsing the net and found this article from psychologytoday.com



From a fellow DJ to another,
java01
This is the full link if interested:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200901/neanderthink-the-appeal-the-bad-boy?page=2

How does this imply bad boys have good genes?

I have a buddy who is nice, sappy and all whimperish about alot of stuff yet he attracts women sexually through his sheer presence alone.

What they think is genetics here is really just personality combined with looks. One being mutually exclusive of the other.
 

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Obviously a chic wrote this garbage...

In summation, this article basically says: "Whatever females want to do is the right thing to do"
 

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got through half of it and just couldn't read anymore of the junk. Genes?!? NO!!!

I was that sappy little nice guy that couldn't get laid. I spent two years reading everything that I could and gaining the confidence that bad boys have with the traits that women love for the long term nice guys.

The third year that I was here, I got my first girlfriend.

The fourth and fifth year that I had was my second girlfriend and she stayed around for two years straight (and I was a total assh0le ;) ) We still meet up as friends and we still fool around while I am dating her good friend.

I've now got the confidence of the assh0le with the politeness of the nice guy. It's all a learned behavior that I wish people would understand. Most people want to learn that behavior, but not even trying to truly incorporate it into their lives.

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Just last night, my friend brought his girl that he was trying to woo (a four) and I had my ex-gf and the new girl around my arms while getting jealous/envious looks from a lot of the guys and lustful eyes from the girls. So after a little while of just talking with the new girl she starts flirting with me. I don't even mean for this to happen, but I'm being a nice jerk (c/f and negs the correct way, being genuinely interested in her, and breaking the touch barrier with her (hug)). The girl that my friend is trying to woo starts flirting with me (becoming very animated and following me around) and it gets bad. My friend pulls me aside to ask me to stop talking to her because it's getting uncomfortable for him. Everyone notices it and I say to my ex-gf "I think that I might have done a very bad thing."

I feel bad for my friend because he just entered the hell known as the friendszone.

But it is now just a part of me. It is not based on genetics like the article would like to have you presume, but on learned behavior/personality.

What rubbish!!! Five years ago, I wouldn't have been able to do anything of that in my timeline. I'm a good guy and I learned all of the behavior

- comic_relief
 

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double post
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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The more likely a relationship is to be fleeting, the more likely a woman is to seek a man with high quality genes. Evolutionary psychologists define "good genes" for men as high-testosterone-fueled masculinity, symmetry, height, and, believe it or not, parasite resistance. Men who are blessed with these qualities tend to be confident and dominant. And able to get away with roguish behavior.
I think I've found a new angle on how to become a seduction guru myself.
 

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'Good genes' is a misnomer anyway.

Being able to seduce a woman and being able to do it well allows your genes to pass to the next generation. It's sexual selection.
 

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In reality, I see little correlation between good genes and bad boys. More often than not, a bad boy persona is adopted in the absence of obviously dominant genetic traits. You ever hear of Little Man Syndrome?
 

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We have to remember that this applies mostly to American and Western European women (who are f****d up in the head and you have to be an idiot to marry unless you want a divorce and half your bank taken in a few years). In most countries in the world women look for a nice guy that can raise a family, not an a**hole. Let's compare.

UNITED STATES AND WESTERN EUROPE
In western societies women look to a**holes because they are put on pedestals by society since they were born. Naturally they become attracted to guys that are opposite of every other male in their life who has put them on a pedestal and treated them like if they were queens. This is due to feminism having corrupted their countries to making women #1 and pu$$ifying most men in those societies turning them into "nice guys."

THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES, RUSSIA + CHINA

In third world countries and non western countries (china, russia for example) women are not treated as number 1. Men are known for being real a**holes with women in nonwestern countries. Feminism has yet to corrupt their society to make women #1. There are other factors such as higher poverty, women coming from more traditional bigger families, domestic abuse etc. Most women in these countries want a nice guy that won't beat the sh** out of them and can provide for their family.

CONCLUSION
In short when you look at every other country in the world except places like the United States and Western Europe, women look for a nice guy that will be a good provider and won't beat the sh*t out of them. In the United States and western europe women look to a**holes because unlike in third world countries they have been put on a pedestal since they were born due to feminism. They look to men that will treat them the opposite of every nice guy they have met in their life, because in those socities most guys are "nice guys" due to feminism having corrupted those socities and pu$$ifying the male population.
 

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Women being put on pedestals has nothing to do with feminism. Stop hating something so fantastic about the modern age. Feminaziism is totally different from feminism. The third world countries deserve a good dose of feminism so their 'nice guy' husbands will stop beating and raping their asses.

Being ballsless is men's problem in the western world. Stop blaming feminaziism because that's just weak.
 

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MisterMcGee said:
Women being put on pedestals has nothing to do with feminism. Stop hating something so fantastic about the modern age. Feminaziism is totally different from feminism. The third world countries deserve a good dose of feminism so their 'nice guy' husbands will stop beating and raping their asses.

Being ballsless is men's problem in the western world. Stop blaming feminaziism because that's just weak.
mr mcgee, you are one of the biggest afcs on this forum. Please refrain from contributing to this thread unless it is something of value. Thank you.
 

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mr mcgee, you are one of the biggest afcs on this forum. Please refrain from contributing to this thread unless it is something of value. Thank you.
you're an afc for blaming feminism for women's taste in men.
 

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f283000 said:

THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES, RUSSIA + CHINA

In third world countries and non western countries (china, russia for example) women are not treated as number 1. Men are known for being real a**holes with women in nonwestern countries. Feminism has yet to corrupt their society to make women #1. There are other factors such as higher poverty, women coming from more traditional bigger families, domestic abuse etc. Most women in these countries want a nice guy that won't beat the sh** out of them and can provide for their family.
LMFAO..wow, are you 5? First, I never knew China was a third world country.:rock: Look up the definition of "third world country" please, and if you can't understand it, feel free to message me. Or, you can read this brief summary. China and Russia were SECOND WORLD COUNTRIES as set out during the Cold War. HOWEVER, that definition is outdated as China currently owns America, specifically in relation to finances. (Which is all that really matters nowadays, money) As for Russia, my first point is still outstanding. Men are not known for being real *******s in Asian countries. I LIVED IN AN ASIAN INTERNATIONAL CITY, and men don't beat their wives nearly as much as they do in Western countries, or at all really. In addition, a comparison of divorce rates between Western and Eastern Countries would further suggest that Western marital relationships are way more ****ed up.

I think you're confusing China with the Middle East where men openly beat women in the streets. (Yes, I have seen documentaries in which Iraqi men have beaten women to shame them.)

Don't post your ignorant **** and come off as though you know what you're saying. And please, stop using $ as substitutes for the letter S because it further suggests you are a dumbass.

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To the op:
Genes help create our physical attributes. And, attraction between two people merely signifies that their genes complement each other. I learned this in high school...and "bad boys" learn at a young age how attractive they are and thus are more confident and "bad."...Nonetheless, an unattractive guy can develop into a "bad boy" even without being naturally attractive.

In the end, natural attraction is a great advantage, but any man can get any girl because physical attraction alone is nothing unique. That is why this site preaches the development of the self. (e.g.,Dj, Alpha)
 

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HOWEVER, that definition is outdated as China currently owns America, specifically in relation to finances. (Which is all that really matters nowadays, money)
Well, not really. The US has all the food and the best nuclear and biological weapons, so while China may "own" the US in terms of money, they aren't allowed to touch the ATM machine...ever.
 

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Duffdog said:
Would it surprise you to know that many authors have alternate names that they write under to avoid scrutiny?
That does not surprise me, what would surprise me is the author posting a name and a solitication profile on the site under a false name and a false picture to make us think she's a man.

On a side note, the pic doesn't let us know if he still has possession of his balls or not.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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