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I am not trolling. I’m serious when I say your checklist reduces real people to targets. It does not even occur to you that you’re stripping away everyone’s humanity because you’ve been taught to see women as problems to solve. If it reads like a joke it is only because you have no framework for seeing respect and consent as more important than “game.” This is not about technique it is about your mindset. You can keep pretending it is coaching but until you question why you objectify others every interaction will feel hollow and you will never learn anything real.
 

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Sounds good. The women that are there closer to closing time are usually the ones who are there to meet somebody.



I probably wouldn't bother with the street. You might be seen as a nuisance for getting between them and their destination rather than talking to them AT the destination.



Overall, it sounds good. Personally, I don't like the word "cute", as it sounds a bit childish - I like the word "gorgeous". It's not nearly as trashy as "hot" or "sexy" and has some class to it while not being as overly invested as calling her "beautiful" or something. Just don't get caught up in talking too much to fill the silence. If an interaction is going well, don't talk, just do fun sh** - take a shot together, bring her to the floor to dance, go in for the kiss, etc. Basically, try not to talk yourself out of a lay because you don't know she's interested in you and wants you to make a move.



If that happens and the girl you like doesn't make any effort to intervene/stop the friend/continue talking to you, then just let it happen. She's probably not interested enough, and even if she is that friend will be a headache all the way to the bedroom - if you even make it that far.



You don't have to do anything crazy when it comes to clothes - just wear things that fit you snugly without being too tight or too small, and you should be fine, so long as you're not sporting K-Mark brand shoes or something. 90% of the time, my outfit consists of a well-fitted solid tee shirt (usually black) with no logos, straight jeans, a thin gold neck chain, and a clean pair of Nike Air Jordans.

I can't really speak on the hair because I'm white, and I don't do anything special with mine, so as long as what you're doing works for you.

It sounds like you would benefit most from tightening up your diet and exercise routine. What I do is extremely stringent, but I can share it if you want. Otherwise, intermittent fasting, eating at a caloric deficit, going to the gym 3-5x per week, and doing 20 minutes of cardio per day would probably do you wonders very fast.



Ok, good, we're here to f*** girls we want, not hit an approach quota.



Well that's everybody. As you saw in my other thread, I'm failing plenty and need to find some successes since my FWBs all kinda fell off at the same time. That'll come with time and exposure.



One thing you could do to get comfortable being solo without a wing is to become a regular at 1 or 2 of your favorite spots that regularly have the kinda girls you're looking for. Befriend the bouncers, the managers, the bartenders, whoever. I did this unintentionally by being friends with the manager at that local college bar from back when I attended school there, and he would let me skip the lines any time he was working. I got to know the bartenders who worked those days and would frequently tip them well - now I quite literally have to throw my money at them for them to take it, and I'm often served before all others if they see me waiting. Beyond that, the fact that I was always skipping the lines meant the bouncers began recognizing my face and got to know who I was, so a lot of times I could skip the line without even having to let my manager friend know I was there.

Basically I'm saying to make friends at the places you're going to be, because it is some serious social proof when girls see you get served before them and watch the bartenders reject your money. Plus, since you're in a bigger city, you'll have options - unlike me with the college bar.

Personally, I'd only consider Thursday - Saturday as being worth going out, but if you're getting results on those other days and can afford that frequency, keep doing what you're doing. Just make sure you're not focusing too hard on this and neglecting other important aspects of your life.

As far as your verbals and bringing women home, picking up on those cues will come with time. You'll get blown out a lot, and you'll get maybes a lot, but it's really important you know how to recognize a sure thing so you don't ruin it by taking things too slow. I've recounted this story before, but I saw a really gorgeous girl moving through the crowd with her friend one time a few years back and stopped her to tell her I thought she was gorgeous. She stopped, let her friend go on without her, sat down with me, and gave me a longing silent stare any time I was talking. I recognized this, so I went for the kiss early, to which she was super receptive, then asked if I wanted to leave with her. This entire interaction lasted maybe 20 minutes - I remember because until I saw her, I wasn't interested in anybody and invited an old FWB to meet me at the bar (she wasn't happy when she got to the bar, and I told her I'd already left). So, learn to recognize and take yes for an answer.

Beyond that, it just sounds like you need to work on your physical appearance. It sounds like you're in an OK place, but you'll probably improve your results fastest just by presenting yourself better to these women - I think that's what will have the greatest ROI for you.
This was awesome. I’d say I basically agree with everything you said here, although a fair number of the pulls I’ve had have actually been from the street outside the club. Although that is a more European thing.

I remember you mentioning that your diet was very strict before, but I’d be interested to know what you’re eating and how you’re training these days.

As for me; I’ve been pretty much locked into keto. Diet wise, I’m creating a large deficit by doing that but lowering my dietary fat down. It’ll be chicken breast(of course), eye of round lean steaks, Greek Yogurt, 96/4 lean ground beef, and CarbMaster Milk + Sweetener for my Ninja Creami pints, vegetables and olive oil. Plus getting the lifts in so that I maintain muscle along with the cardio.

My target is to lose 25 lbs in 4 months.

So my priorities until my lease is up need to be getting this weight off and going out every day. That should put me in a much better spot and give me some results.

I was chatting with @SW15 a bit about this, but going out every day, even just 30 mins to do some day approaches, is actually quite difficult. Your time management needs to be a 100/100. One slip up, and you’re not getting out that day. (I’m simultaneously working two jobs to save money because the layoffs are REALLY bad right now.)
 

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This was awesome. I’d say I basically agree with everything you said here, although a fair number of the pulls I’ve had have actually been from the street outside the club. Although that is a more European thing.

I remember you mentioning that your diet was very strict before, but I’d be interested to know what you’re eating and how you’re training these days.

As for me; I’ve been pretty much locked into keto. Diet wise, I’m creating a large deficit by doing that but lowering my dietary fat down. It’ll be chicken breast(of course), eye of round lean steaks, Greek Yogurt, 96/4 lean ground beef, and CarbMaster Milk + Sweetener for my Ninja Creami pints, vegetables and olive oil. Plus getting the lifts in so that I maintain muscle along with the cardio.

My target is to lose 25 lbs in 4 months.

So my priorities until my lease is up need to be getting this weight off and going out every day. That should put me in a much better spot and give me some results.

I was chatting with @SW15 a bit about this, but going out every day, even just 30 mins to do some day approaches, is actually quite difficult. Your time management needs to be a 100/100. One slip up, and you’re not getting out that day. (I’m simultaneously working two jobs to save money because the layoffs are REALLY bad right now.)
Are you working out, or just doing the diet?

As for what I eat, I don't expect people to actually have the discipline to follow this but I'll post it just in case you want to give it a try:
  • Meal 1 - 9:00AM
    • 1 cup oats
    • 1 tbps peanut butter
    • 8oz almond milk, blended together as a shake
  • Meal 2 - 1:00PM
    • 8oz chicken
    • 1 cup broccoli
  • Meal 3 - 5:00PM
    • 8oz tuna
    • 1 cup white rice
  • Meal 4 - 8:00PM
    • 8oz chicken
    • 1 cup broccoli
  • Meal 5 - 12:00AM
    • 8oz chicken
    • 1 cup white rice
  • Meal 6 - 2:00AM
    • 8oz fat-free yogurt
I do this every single day at roughly the same times. The important part is spacing meals out between 3-4 hours, depending on when you have availability. You can season the chicken and flavor the rice and stuff, but this is the basic gist. Currently, this puts me at 218lbs at 6ft tall while exercising for about 1-1.5 hours 4x a week and finishing with 20 minutes of cardio 4x a week.
 

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Are you working out, or just doing the diet?

As for what I eat, I don't expect people to actually have the discipline to follow this but I'll post it just in case you want to give it a try:
  • Meal 1 - 9:00AM
    • 1 cup oats
    • 1 tbps peanut butter
    • 8oz almond milk, blended together as a shake
  • Meal 2 - 1:00PM
    • 8oz chicken
    • 1 cup broccoli
  • Meal 3 - 5:00PM
    • 8oz tuna
    • 1 cup white rice
  • Meal 4 - 8:00PM
    • 8oz chicken
    • 1 cup broccoli
  • Meal 5 - 12:00AM
    • 8oz chicken
    • 1 cup white rice
  • Meal 6 - 2:00AM
    • 8oz fat-free yogurt
I do this every single day at roughly the same times. The important part is spacing meals out between 3-4 hours, depending on when you have availability. You can season the chicken and flavor the rice and stuff, but this is the basic gist. Currently, this puts me at 218lbs at 6ft tall while exercising for about 1-1.5 hours 4x a week and finishing with 20 minutes of cardio 4x a week.
Yeah you weren’t kidding, that is pretty strict, but sounds like it’s working well.

How do you cook the chicken personally?

I’ve been doing keto and 2 full body lifts a week up to this point. I need to increase that, and add in cardio like you suggested as well.
 

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Yeah you weren’t kidding, that is pretty strict, but sounds like it’s working well.

How do you cook the chicken personally?

I’ve been doing keto and 2 full body lifts a week up to this point. I need to increase that, and add in cardio like you suggested as well.
The first chicken and tuna meals are at work, so they're canned.

The latter 2 chicken meals I usually oven-roast and get them pre-seasoned from a grocery store. Low sodium.
 
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Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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Immersion. I usually cold approach in the day time. After doing 20 or so, the nervousness should mostly go away. You'll always be a little nervous, and that's because you have to watch out for a potential boyfriend, family member, a friend, store manager, etc.




Granted I have not been anywhere near successful in the last year, but I would not force anything. I just have conversations and see how the conversational flow goes.

I have also found that 20 is the magic number. It gets easier after that. Also, your mindset must embrace failure. Think of every no as a step closer to a yes. Even once you get good, you will only actually open maybe 4 out of 10 women you approach. Out of those 4 you may only get 1 phone number. So you must already accept and embrace the fact that you will be unsuccessful 90% of the time. In reality eventually you will do better than this, but accept it as a baseline.

But if you are objective, failure means absolutely nothing. If you approach and fail, are you any worse off than if you did not approach? No. In. fact if you don't even try you will always be haunted by what ifs....what if I had approached her???

In reality you will eventually get better. Lets say you get 2 numbers for every 10 approaches. If you approach 30 women a month (which you should be doing) then you will be getting 6 phone numbers a month. From those 6 you may only get 2-3 dates. But that number will build. Maybe only 1 in 3 dates go well, but eventually you will build a solid rotation. Your confidence will soar and you will develop a mindset of abundance.

In turn approaching and opening will become easier and more natural. More success will follow. Don't be afraid to use canned game if and when you need it.

BPH gives some excellent advice. Are you doing everything you can to improve your looks, your clothes...shoes are huge. Are you hitting the gym, eating well, sleeping?
 
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Are you trolling?

Ignore self_is_an_illusion. Seriously. Complete mental sinkhole that is stalking you and derailing your progress. I recommend blocking he/she/him/they/her (or whatever pronoun I am sure they use).

I have also found that 20 is the magic number. It gets easier after that. Also, your mindset must embrace failure. Think of every no as a step closer to a yes. Even once you get good, you will only actually open maybe 4 out of 10 women you approach. Out of those 4 you may only get 1 phone number. So you must already accept and embrace the fact that you will be unsuccessful 90% of the time. In reality eventually you will do better than this, but accept it as a baseline.

But if you are objective, failure means absolutely nothing. If you approach and fail, are you any worse off than if you did not approach? No. In. fact if you don't even try you will always be haunted by what ifs....what if I had approached her???

In reality you will eventually get better. Lets say you get 2 numbers for every 10 approaches. If you approach 30 women a month (which you should be doing) then you will be getting 6 phone numbers a month. From those 6 you may only get 2-3 dates. But that number will build. Maybe only 1 in 3 dates go well, but eventually you will build a solid rotation. Your confidence will soar and you will develop a mindset of abundance.

In turn approaching and opening will become easier and more natural. More success will follow. Don't be afraid to use canned game if and when you need it.

BPH gives some excellent advice. Are you doing everything you can to improve your looks, your clothes...shoes are huge. Are you hitting the gym, eating well, sleeping?
Are you trolling?
Alright, let's figure this out.

Get specific:
  • How late at night are you making these approaches?
  • Are you literally approaching these girls on the street while they're walking to and fro? Or are you talking to girls in the bars and clubs?
  • What are you saying to these girls? What are they saying to you in response?
  • What are the friends in these groups doing/saying when you approach the one you want?
  • Are you attractive? By this I mean you're dressing well, you're tall or at least not short, you're fit or muscular, still have your hair, don't have f***ed up teeth, some other physical disability that might be impeding you
  • Are you going after girls you're actually interested in or are you just trying to get more reps?
  • Are you really getting blown out a bunch or are you just overanalyzing and focusing on a few failures that demoralizes you?
  • What do you think is going wrong?

You are so very far along the path to becoming successful. You have done a tremendous amount of the hard foundational work needed to become a winner with women. I was exactly where you are right now on my journey. I bet in a years time I can have you running a 2-3 rotation of high quality gals.
 
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