AW is interfering

[MikeYikes122]

So I've been hanging out a lot with my neighbors, all of whom are college-aged (like three or four years younger than me). Out of the group, there are two girls who are attractive. One is an 8.5 and the other is probably as close to a 10 as it gets.

The HB 10 behaves typical of a girl with her looks and her age (21 or 22). She is a huge AW and craves the attention of all the guys who are around her. She flirts a lot, but all of it is probably a conscious decision on her behalf just to get more attention.

The HB 8.5 plays second fiddle to the HB 10, and there seems to be a ton of jealousy because of it. The 8.5 isn't an AW herself, but she is probably the type of girl who has some self-esteem issues over guys paying attention to her friend instead of her. It's pretty clear that the situation really upsets the HB 8.5.

Anyway, the HB 10 isn't my type. She is pretty fvcking hot, but she has an excessive amount of piercings and tattoos. Factor in the AW-ish behavior, and she kind of turns me off. Normally, when I come across a female who acts like her, I just ignore and move on, but since she is in my social circle now, it's kind of hard to do that.

The HB 8.5, on the other hand, is right up my skis personality-wise and looks-wise. I don't see any potential for anything long term with her, but I would like to make her into an FB or at least hook up with her once. Normally this wouldn't be hard for me to pull off at all since she is giving me IOIs, but the HB 10 is all over me to the point that it interferes with my game. And of course, the more I ignore the AW, the more she wants me.

Case in point, we were playing drinking games this past Saturday night in someone's apartment and the HB 10 made a rule that everyone playing had to grab someone's ass before they took a drink of their beer. When she made the rule, I knew exactly what it was going to lead to. The HB 10 took the smallest possible sips of her beer and she would grab my ass every time she did. I just kept trying to ignore her, but it got to the point where it was getting awkward and throwing me off of my game with the HB 8.5, who was standing to my left.

The HB 8.5 was giving me tons of IOIs the entire time. Her proximity to me was really close, almost touching, and she was asking me to grab her during the game. She kept making up stories about her and I, telling everyone that joined the party things about how her and I had gotten drunk in the past and made out/hooked up (I'm relatively new to this group of friends and some people who were there were asking who I was).

The thing is, it was really tough to game the HB 8.5 because the HB 10 was so damn demanding. It made matters worse that the HB 8.5's confidence would visibly take a hit every time the AW forced me to pay attention to her. Whenever the HB 10 made strong advances, the HB 8.5 would shut off the IOIs. I finally got some relief from the HB 10 when everyone went into a different room to get high. Luckily, me, the HB 8.5 and a few other girls don't get high. That gave me a chance to do some more work on the HB 8.5, but it was still only a brief reprieve. The second everyone finished smoking up, I had a stoned and slightly crazy HB 10 AW latched onto my back again.

Stuff like this happens literally every time I hang out with them. I know many of you are going to tell me that I should isolate the HB 8.5 or try to parlay this situation into a sweet threesome. However, neither of those is really an option for reasons I can't explain.

The HB 8.5 would normally be pretty easy to game. She has given me a lot of IOIs and seems to like me a lot. She has a boyfriend, but I get the sense he is just an AFC placeholder. He is never around and lives two states away. In any normal situation, she'd be a hanging curveball. But the HB 10 is an AW to the point that I literally have trouble being a normal social person in her presence.

Any suggestions?

 

[lookyoung]

Brother Mike me and you have chatted a few times and you seem like a really cool guy, but I don't see a problem here. These girls are practically throwing there panites at you. If I were you I would probably just bang the HB10 because she is hotter plus the other HB has a boyfriend. You could probably even bang them both. You just have to be aggressive. You guys are in college so it should be pretty easy. When your alone with the girl just grab her and start making out with her. If they are really intersted in you its not going to be a problem. YOU JUST HAVE TO BE AGGRESSIVE. Don't be like STR8UP You need to step up and be a man.

Next time you guys are playing a beer game. Suggest truth or dare. Dare one of the girls to kiss you.It works well especially in college when everyone is drinking.

 

[MacAvoy]

Can you explain why you can't ask out the HB8.5 please. However I think lookyoung hit the nail on the head, both seem to be trying to give you their panties.

 

[MikeYikes122]

This is all one big moot point because I hooked up with the 8.5 last night.

I'm not one for FRs because I think it's kind of awkward and pointless, but this was a weird experience. I hung out with the two girls a couple days ago, and they just completely ignored me, didn't talk to me at all. I even tried to talk to them, and they were barely responding. It felt like they might have planned it out.

Then, last night, the same thing happened where they both fought over me and it was really intense between the two of them. I don't have time right now to type out stories, but some of it was pretty funny. The difference this time was, the 10 smoked enough weed to just pass out so I was able to isolate the other one. I kind of feel bad because the HB 8.5's boyfriend is coming to visit her today and is probably with her right now, but then not really, because the girl was literally asking me to grab her two days ago. Though, that is bush league compared to the come ons that she was tossing my way last night. It's kind of hard to say that I am at fault.

I need to not hang out with them tonight. I have a feeling that the HB 8.5's boyfriend is going to be a decent guy. Most of those AFC placeholders usually are. We all know that on here.

Also, lookyoung, I'm not in college man. I've been out of college for two years now!! I just have college-aged friends. I think we had that convo in chat one night.

 

[MacAvoy]

Any plans to hit the HB10 while the 8.5's b/f is in town? It would be the perfect opportunity. She can't call the kettle black. Or do you just want to keep the 8.5 as a FB on the side?

 

[MotownMack]

^^^I agree, this is the perfect time to isolate the other one, preferably before the 8.5 tells the 10 what happened (and eventually, she probably will tell her if they are competitive, but you know she won't touch the subject with a 10 foot pole if her b/f is lurking about).

This is your finest hour!

The eyes of Sosuave are upon you.

Godspeed, son.

 

[MikeYikes122]

Any plans to hit the HB10 while the 8.5's b/f is in town? It would be the perfect opportunity. She can't call the kettle black. Or do you just want to keep the 8.5 as a FB on the side?

Probably not because I'm scared sh!tless of that HB 10 for reasons that I don't want to get into on here. I will just say this, she is not a sane girl, nor is her roommate (who is a guy).

She's not really my type either. She is hot but has the kind of "used" look where her attractiveness is going to fade by the time she is 23 from boozing too much, getting high too much and having too much sex. I've seen her type plenty of times, and I know the path she is headed down.

The 8.5 would be a good FB or plate though, so that is an option. I'll try to keep this thread updated.

 

[DJVladdy]

Mike, I got a question about ur last post here: How does a girl stay fuken gorgeous, like you described... if she is an alcoholic and a junkie (your words). For a human being to look great the lifestyle has to be impeccable, at least in my view...

And also, you as well as some older guys than me, tell me: these dimes, the 10's like some say (or close to perfection physically)... u said girls like her fyck too much. WHO gets these girls? Like honestly these top notch AW's have no personality, can't tie two words together, and think they're god's gift to the male gender (ya OKAY sweety), and reject guys left and right. A man like me - she would simply reject; and an average afc she will dis, reject, and make fun of him. Neither gets her. So what the hell? Can someone explain?

 

[Phyzzle]

How does a girl stay fuken gorgeous, like you described... if she is an alcoholic and a junkie?

Through the simple trick of being 19.

And also, you as well as some older guys than me, tell me: these dimes, the 10's like some say (or close to perfection physically)... u said girls like her fyck too much. WHO gets these girls? Like honestly these top notch AW's have no personality, can't tie two words together, and think they're god's gift to the male gender (ya OKAY sweety), and reject guys left and right. A man like me - she would simply reject; and an average afc she will dis, reject, and make fun of him. Neither gets her. So what the hell? Can someone explain?

She doesn't reject the guy with the cocaine.

 

[MikeYikes122]

Mike, I got a question about ur last post here: How does a girl stay fuken gorgeous, like you described... if she is an alcoholic and a junkie (your words). For a human being to look great the lifestyle has to be impeccable, at least in my view...

"Junkie"? "My words"? I didn't write that.

Anyway, it's like Phyzzle said. You can get away with that stuff when your 20 or 21, but once you hit 23-24-25, that sh!t will catch up with you. It seems to hit girls harder than guys. When this chick is 23, she will probably go from a 10 to an 8.5, and when she is 25, she will be lucky to be a 7. It's a combination of the weed, alcohol, lack of exercise, pizza, and ranch dressing. If girls don't take care of themselves with proper nutrition and good exercise, it really seems to hit them hard by their mid-20s. A lot of girls who I knew in high school who were hot aren't even attractive anymore because they lived too hard of a lifestyle in their early 20s.

That kind of living catches up with guys too but not to the point that it does women. In general, males wear aging much better than females. You're 21, give it two years and you'll see what I'm talking about. A lot of the chicks you went to high school will have let themselves go completely in three years.

Though, the bad news for the girl I know is, she is only 20 or 21 and I can already see where her looks are starting to fade. The chick has already started to age in dog years.

And also, you as well as some older guys than me, tell me: these dimes, the 10's like some say (or close to perfection physically)... u said girls like her fyck too much. WHO gets these girls? Like honestly these top notch AW's have no personality, can't tie two words together, and think they're god's gift to the male gender (ya OKAY sweety), and reject guys left and right. A man like me - she would simply reject; and an average afc she will dis, reject, and make fun of him. Neither gets her. So what the hell? Can someone explain?

There are guys out there who she gets. In fact, in hanging out with this chick and just becoming friends with her, I've learned a lot. She seems to have a stable of about five dudes who she calls her "boy toys". Her and I live near each other, so we kind of know each other's business. Late at night, I see dudes sneaking in and out of her apartment. What kind of guys they are, I don't really know. I've only met one of them and the guy drove all the way from Wisconsin (we live in Indianapolis) to hang out with her. He seemed like your stereotypical alpha type, but I heard from my friend that the dude didn't even get any.

Fvcking five dudes at a time will certainly put some miles on a girl's body as well.

In my experience, the best way to get a 10 like her is to have some sort of in with her social circle. That way, you don't have to approach like the hundred other dudes who have come before you. Don't get me wrong, you shouldn't hesitate to approach 10s, but if you can somehow get in her social circle beforehand, then you're going to have a much higher rate of success.

All the 10s I have ever been with or attracted have been a lot like the one I've talked about in this thread. I've made friends with a lot of her friends and used that as a platform to build attraction, with my personality and social value. If I remember right, the 8.5 liked me before the 10 did, and when you can show that your a hot commodity like that within a group of people, all the girls will like you. That works for all the women - the 6s, 7s, 8s, 9s, and 10s.

This is kind of an aside point, but I think there are two different types of 10s. I know a 10 who I have dated and hooked up with in the past, and she is the sweetest and most down to earth chick you're probably ever going to meet. She doesn't have princess attitude and doesn't expect guys to bend over backwards for her. She's just a normal girl.

But on the flipside, there is the AW kind of 10. The girl I've talked about in this thread falls into this category. She never has boyfriends, sneaks guys in and out of her apartment late at night, and has that obnoxious "god's gift to the male gender" characteristic that you mentioned. To get a girl like her, you really, really have to prize yourself like I have inadvertently been doing with her. Ironically, the less you want her, the more she will want you. You also have to be extremely confident so as to not let her behavior get the best of you. For example, the girl wasn't talking to me again when I hung out with her tonight. It was probably just some dumb sh!t test she was trying to put on me. She even told me to drive her somewhere and I told her to call a fvkcing cab because I had been drinking and wasn't running a taxi service. I guarantee you she has never had a guy say something like that to her. I think being good looking will help your chances as well.

The less you telegraph that you want her, the more she is going to want you. Follow that rule or you'll end up like the guy who drove all the way from Wisconsin for her and didn't get any a$$.

 

[KarmaSutra]

Don't be like STR8UP You need to step up and be a man.

Don't H8UP on STR8UP. He is a man. One I can count on in real life for awesome advice and direction.

MikeYikes,

Brother it seems as if you've got these crabs in your barrel. Let them claw at each other and enjoy the ruckus. Whoever wins gets to sit on your face. This is MENtality at it's finest.

From the sounds of it HB10-drunkard/AW seems to have some psychological issues and will kill her own Mother for a Man's affirmation. I think it's a good call to leave this idiot alone.

It's been my lesson to learn that the hottest women are often the most dangerous.

 

[MikeYikes122]

Anyway, back to the thread's topic.

I hung out with the same group tonight, including the HB 8.5 and her boyfriend. Boyfriend is exactly like I thought he'd be, an AFC, a decent guy, maybe a little bit socially awkward. But the HB 8.5, she didn't say a single word to me. She didn't even make eye contact with me. I said hey to her when I first joined up with them, but that was it. I kind of figured she would act like this when I hung out with her again, but I thought she'd at least be cordial to me in front of her boyfriend. That wasn't the case though. But I don't think this is the first time she has cheated on this dude.

Anyway, you guys are going to think I am nuts, but the 8.5's roommate I swear was giving me looks and flirting with me tonight. This is a third girl I haven't even brought up in this thread. She has a boyfriend as well whom I've met before. He is about like the 8.5's boyfriend - a decent guy who is a little bit socially awkward. The roommate girl herself is somewhat attractive. She has a good face and an OK body. She isn't as hot as the other two but is definitely fvckable.

What I'm going to end up doing with her, I'm not sure. But this is getting pretty crazy.

What I can't believe is, the roommate has to know I hooked up with the 8.5, but she still has no issues with coming onto me herself. Chicks can be evil, I guess.

 

[MikeYikes122]

From the sounds of it HB10-drunkard/AW seems to have some psychological issues and will kill her own Mother for a Man's affirmation. I think it's a good call to leave this idiot alone.

It's been my lesson to learn that the hottest women are often the most dangerous.

Those are my feelings exactly Karma.

In fact, I kind of don't even like being around this chick. She is almost like an alpha male, always trying to control the situation and what we're doing. I put her in her place, but one man can only do so much. It gets really obnoxious.

 

[KarmaSutra]

But I don't think this is the first time she has cheated on this dude.

I'd bet a Vegas bookie any day of the week on this and I'd win big.

Chicks can be evil, I guess.

Not evil, they simply have no loyalty to each other. Ask any woman under 25 if she has a friend with whom she absolutely trusts to be alone with her man and the answer (if she has any scruples) will be a resounding: FVCK NO!

After 25 they're social marketability begins to wane and slide downward so they need friends in order to boost each other's ego's.

 

[ketostix]

Women are evil. They cheat on their BF and when they see that their girl friend/roomate hooked up with a guy they just have to cheat on their BF and hook up with him too lol. Mike, I think you are demonstrating that social circle game is where it's at. I remember you saying how unproductive club gaming was. Maybe I missed it, but how did you break into this social circle? there sems to be a lot of girls in it. Were they neighbors or what? Have you ever went down to Bloomington at IU and gamed?