Avoidant Personality Disorder

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Hello,

A few weeks ago I was diagnosed as having Avoidant Personality Disorder traits. I do not think I have it severely, but its enough to make my life very miserable.

Basically, I try to avoid interaction with people because I am scared of what they will think. For example, I eat my meals in a large cafeteria. I have to walk down a big stair case to get to it and everybody looks at you when you walk down it. This scares me so I avoid going to eat when its busy. My senses get really sensitive when I'm around people. I can hear conversations going all around me, and I try and pick out comments that are about me. My problem is with my peers(I am 18); I know most adults like me.

ADP causes me to just sit quietly in the corner and try and blend in, but it back fires and causes a lot of people to notice me, and comment on me. Usually, they say I am gay or something like that. Only reason I can think for this is that since I am good looking I stand out, but I have poor posture and my eyes will tell everybody that I have poor self-esteem.

I have never had a girlfriend and that eats at me. I know a woman will not make my life better, but I think if I had sex atleast once it would help me a whole lot. But, I freeze when around an attractive girl. Bad catch 22.

I just started Paxil and haven't noticed any positive effects yet. The only thing that really makes me feel good are martial arts(mainly focusing on combat), and I get depressed if I stay away from class for too long.

I saw a guy on here that had a similar situation than me. I was wondering if anyone else has used Paxil or been in a similar situation? I have read the Bible over and over. Good stuff. I just need to figure out how to put it in effect and let it become part of me.
 

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You're diagnosed as having this, fine. You still live in the same world as everyone else and have the same confines of reality to deal with. You still have to take control of your own life and put one foot in front of the other to improve your situation.

Don't let them put you into categories. I was diagnosed as a young child as having a learning disability and being mildly autistic. Hasn't stopped me from doing a lot on the social front.

Don't try to IQ your way around the need to be corageous and put yourself out there.

-PDX
 

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You cannot control your emotions, but you can control your actions. So, be scared, have "APD" and approach people. Maybe, you will make yourself a complete fool the first time, simply because you lack experience. The tough part will come after the first negative experiences. Somebody laughs at you etc. and your fears will be reinforced. Anyway you have to continue to act completely against your "instincts". You will run out of things to say, become red, tremble etc. and receive nasty comments about it. But that is a time that will be over soon, since a phobia (and this is one) doesn´t survive for long if you constantly override it.
One way to do this, is take a holiday at a crowded beach or a town with much nightlife in a foreign country (You should know their language very well though). But if you do this, you have to start fully the very first day, otherwise your time there is up too soon. I am not talking about getting girls into bed, more about partying and harmless flirting.
Do not look for a girl for you before you are completely past this phobia. Otherwise you sell yourself below your value.
 

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Ah, the nerve of shrinks these days. If there was a single group of people I could deport into the Sun, they would be it.

So what? You have such and such syndrome. Big deal. I'm sure we've all heard stories of guys accomplishing big things when they get their arms blown off or are blinded. What's to let a stupid shrink's label from stopping you, other than yourself?
 

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Damn perscription drugs...

ADPGuy, I used to be EXACTLY the same way! I was never "diagnosed" by any "psychologist", but I acted the same way.

Let me tell you something though, it is GONE now! Yes, completely gone. With no medication, no consultation, no medical assistance, etc.

NOBODY knows how the mind works. They can make thier best guesses, but at the end of the day it is all just a crapshoot. Yes they have thier "drugs" and such (it is funny how the world today looks down on the "recreational" drugs, but embraces the "psychiatrist" drugs!) They just ascribe EVERYTHING to a "chemical imbalance". It is easier that way.

People expect a "magic pill" to take away all thier pain. They would rather stifle the feelings of inadequacy, humiliation, fear, etc. then CHANGE who they are. Pain and fear are simply products of not living like you are supposed to live.

Let me give you a concrete example here.

Two of my cousins (they are brothers) are alcoholics. One of them goes to alcoholics anonymous, the other one goes to a psychiatrist.

The one that went to AA got his life together pretty quickly. He realized that he had an addiction, he realized that he drank to "kill the pain" as it were. He identified the things in his past that caused him so much pain, and he DEALT WITH IT. He still goes to AA (they say to keep going--not an alcoholic, dunno why...) and his life is many times better than it was.

The one that went to a psychiatrist is still FVCKED UP. He is always on some sort of "medication". They claim that he has a "chemical imbalance" and that he drinks to "medicate himself". The psychiatrist assigns drugs based on his "problems" and the man never learns to deal with things ON HIS OWN. IMO, it would be better off if he had never even seen that shrink; he would have messed up his life so bad that he would have had to deal with some of the things that keep him down.

It kills me that people whine and complain about recreational drugs and how "bad" they are, and then turn around and down a bottle of Zanex.

ADPGuy, I used to be afraid to walk in a busy place, I used to be afraid to eat in a wide open public area, just like you. Your problem is not some bullshyt "Avoidant Personality Disorder", that is just psychobabble, your problem is yourself.

Yes, I said it, your problem is YOU!

Why are you nervous that people look at you? You are thinking in your mind: "OMG!!! What do they think of me? They think I am a big dork!!! Yes, yes they do!!! Look at them making fun of me...of course they are making fun of me...I am a big looser!" Why do you not eat when it is busy? You think: "OMG!!! They will think I am a weirdo, slopping food all over my face...getting crumbs all over my plate..." Why does not having a girlfriend "eat you"? You think: "Geezus, I am such a looser for not having a girlfriend...I will never get a girl...there is just something about ME that repells them...I will die a virgin because there is some secret that I am not privy to that enables all those other people to meet and have sex..."

WHO IS CREATING THOSE THOUGHTS?

...the only answer...is you.

You think people are critizizing you and picking out flaws with you because YOU do it to YOURSELF. You sit there and think "Oh, I am not good enough...woe is me." STOP IT! If you have a problem, then FIX IT! Nobody is stopping you! You think you act dumb? FIX IT! Refine your social exterior by trial and error. Fixing the problems that you have is personal and differs for everybody. One of my old problems was that I would let my family define who I was, if I did something that was "not me" and they mentioned it, I would stop and revert back to my old self so as to be consistent with thier beliefs. Once I realised that OTHER PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ME, then I knew that only I could define myself.

I used to let other people define who I was. I would be me, and someone would say: "ice...you are one cool dude!" And I would think: "Self, you are one cool dude!" A girl would say: "ice...you are one sexy hunk" And I would think: "Self, you are one sexy hunk!" All fine and dandy right? I am cool and sexy, no problem...right? Now, listen to the others..."ice...you are a dork." oh, and "ice...you are a wussboy" and "look! It is icepick the ugly guy!" also "ice...you probably get no girls at all." So, I would think to myself "Woe is me! I am a dork wussboy who can get no girls" And then, whenever a girl would show interest...I could not see it. Whenever it was time for me to "step up" and take control...I could not do it. Whenever it was time to be social...I would not allow it since I was a "looser" in my own mind.

Change your image...let others percieved "opinions" of you be damned. You have to stand up for your OWN opinions, stand up for your OWN reality. Humans are social animals, so this will be hard. You will have to go against what people "think" of you, and you will think that you are driving them away by breaking out of your mold. But in the end, you will become a more successful, more joyful, more attractive human being.

I did.
 

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Don't feel too bad about this. Social Anxiety is very common these days.

People rate public speaking as their number one fear (over death!).

I've had bouts with social anxiety myself - I think we all have.

In high school I was very outgoing, the class clown, starred in school plays, etc. Then for some reason when I got to college I became much more reserved. Somewhere along the line I started to really fear speaking in front of groups of people. SO much so that I never participated in class. I can remember a Latin class I took my senior year - I rarely went because I was a total alcoholic - but when I did go the professor would randomly call on people. Whenever I got called on my heart would race, my face would twitch, etc. I would become very flustered - this made no sense to me either - I mean the fear was COMPLETELY irrational - I would tell myself this over and over. Mentally I understood that it was ridiculous for me to be reacting this way but I had no control over my physiological response to the situation - this was EXTREMELY frustrating to me.

The funny thing is whenever I would tell one of my friends about my extreme fear of public speaking, etc. they find it had to believe. To them I am an extremely outgoing and charismatic guy.

Anyway fast-forward five years and I find myself in graduate school. I decide that I really need to conquer this shortcoming of mine if I'm to become the kind of man I want to be. Business school is all about teaching people how to manage; to be an effective manager you have to be able to lead; to be an effective leader you need to be able to stand up in front of a group of people from time to time make speeches, command respect, etc.
Anyway, part of the curriculum involves making presentations every once in awhile. So far I have made three presentations - JUST free these three presentations my fear of public speaking has been greatly reduced. I'm almost back to where I was in high school where I kind of enjoy being in the spotlight. It can be quite a rush to hold the attention of a room full of people, make them all laugh, etc.

So my advice to you would be this - don't look to a pill to solve your problems. The answer lies within you. Whenever you feel yourself gettng anxious in a certain situation don't run from it! Confront it! The longer you run from your fears that stronger they become. Get angry - realize your behavior is IRRATIONAL - and promise yourself you will do something about it.

And whatever you do don't use the fact that you were diagnosed with APD as an excuse. Never say "I can;t do this or that because I have APD". That's bullsh*t. That's one thing I hate about this psychotherapy bullsh*t these days (I was a Psych major in undergrad by the way) - it gives people an excuse to feel sorry for themselves instead of taking action to change their lives. It really pisses me off sometimes.

Too often I hear "I'm depressed - maybe I should take Prozac" or something along those lines. I hate this kind of bullsh*t reasoning so much. And the shrinks don't help. Too often people walk in to see a shrink and walk out with a prescription - it's a quick and easy fix. But it is NOT the answer. It is just a bandaid on the problem.

Stand up, be proud, act like a man and take action.

And remember - change takes time - do not become discouraged when you encounter setbacks (which you surely will).

Good Luck.
 

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I used to be very anxious when going in public. It was strange....public speaking was always easy for me. But I'd be terribly uncomfortable shopping for food or clothes. Basically, I always thought people were judging me. Honestly, I still feel uncomfortable in checkout lines when people can see what I bought. The logical part of my brain knows that no one gives a sh!t what I buy, but that primitive part of my mind still makes me feel uncomfortable.

I've come a LONG way though. How? Basically through growing up. I have my own place, have a good job, and am 100% self sufficient. I have much more confidence now. Since reading this site, I actively try to make eye contact with people I don't know.

Just keep living life. When you're in a crowd, think of what makes you special. Yeah, I sound like Mr Rogers (RIP), but there's a lot of value to that type of thinking.
 

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Everyone take a moment to reread icepick's response about twenty times, until you have at least a few of the lines memorized.

ice, you demonstrate some of the clearest thinking I've seen on the board and I agree with you 100% that if our friend is going to get better, then HE will have to take control of his feelings and of his progress. He is the problem and he is the solution. Excellent story about the two brothers.

ADPGuy, I'm really sorry to hear about the diagnosis. I understand that AvPD is different from social anxiety and that the two often fit together nonetheless. I also understand what it feels like to have social anxiety and to have what's called an avoidant interaction style. It has been who I am since early childhood, when adults would pick up on the fact that I wouldn't play or sit near other children - I was a loner throughout high school and always felt that there was some sort of invisible force keeping me from fitting in with the other students or being normal. I was the top student in my high school and my picture appeared in the paper at least a dozen times senior year, I could get up on stage and perform or teach in front of a class, but I didn't feel that I knew anyone or that anyone knew me.

College brought me out of my shell and I learned to look at things this way: everybody has their hang-ups (if you disagree, join a "relationships discussion group" or something to that effect at the local mental health clinic). Nobody is perfect and although they criticize one another and not everybody's bossom pals, people are still sensitive. Just not as sensitive as you. But they're still sensitive and relationships take a lot of work. For me, picking up the phone to call someone I didn't know very well used to take hours!!! That's weird, isn't it? But I realized that for most people, there may be a slight discomfort in calling someone new for the first time, to chat or make plans. I just exaggerated these feelings mainly because of my worst-case-thinking self-talk. Nowadays I pick up the phone care-free. What I am saying is that I have made a LOT of progress a) changing the way I think (find a cognitive therapist) and b) DOING. DOING is a big part of it - you're gonna have to put yourself out there sometimes and let the thought-process and emotions catch up with you AFTER you've acted. Is it easy? No way, but it's doable... for me.

I don't know you. A personality disorder is usually a serious problem. However, therapists have all sorts of reasons for making diagnoses and often times the diagnosis is not an accurate reflection of who the patient is. It helps the therapist get paid, it helps the patient have a better understand of the problem, or it helps establish some sort of guildelines for how the problem should be treated... nonetheless, a lable is just a lable.

Which brings me to my next point: I have spent the past four years investigating the field of psychiatry and I have a very low opinion of it. There are some excellent doctors out there and some horrific, chronic diseases that are next to impossible to treat. So, I feel that psychiatry has earned its place in Western medicine. What I can't fvcking stand is how these shrinks go around putting kids on drugs they don't need - making their lives worse than they already were - and taking ANY preconceived illusion of self-efficiency and control OUT of the patient's hands. This, my friend, is PRECISELY what Eli and the other pharm companies would have you believe, that you NEED medication. For 99.9% of non-psychotic patients out there on pharmacy DRUGS (espeically for those with "Personality Disorders") I say that is B U L L S H I T. Catch my drift?


Not every kid needs to be on a stimulant in order to do well in school (I have add, never been on a drug for it, and still manage to out-compete nearly everyone).

Not every sad teenager needs an ssri to combat a "serotonin deficiency"... my a s s.

Not every person with disturbing anxiety needs a doctor to help them build a tollerance to some sort of benzo med that will eventually lead to either substance abuse or severe withdrawal.

And not every person capable of losing their temper and standing up for themself in a fight deserves to be put on tranqs and mood stabilizers.

Another thing about meds and shrinks... once you enter the system, they don't let you leave. One pill don't work, try another one. They'll feed you as many as it takes for you to be 100% compliant. You've got an issue, they've got a pill for it. You try to leave the system, tell your doctor you're through with medicine... OH, NO YOU DON'T!... some docs will contend that you NEED the pill and that your mind is TRICKING you into believing that you are better so that when you stop taking it, all of your symptoms will return full-blast (yeah, and if they do that is withdrawal). Other shrinks will fight you if they have to and so your best bet is to be real calm and friendly. Overheard this once, "If you raise your voice at me again, I'll have you on tranquilizers!"


So, unless you are a mega-hermit who lives in a cave, goes through the day without being able to talk to at least one friend, parent, cousin, etc, hears voices, or thinks of committing suicide... please, please, please reconsider your decision to take Paxil. That drug does more harm than good and is MARKETED TO A POPULATION THAT DOES NOT NEED MEDICAL TREATMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE. I'm not saying that medicine cannot help you - like I said, I am in no position or authority to give advice to anyone, let alone someone over the internet. But, shrinks are greedy, pharm companies are doublely greedy, HMOs like to see people like you drugged-up instead of crying to a talk-therapi$t, and it's very tempting to let a pill change your brain chemistry and make everything better. Truth of the matter is, there is no pill that can do that. Alcohol and MJ will do more for your social difficulties faster and with fewer side-effects... and there is no way I would advocate either of those.

You sound like a healthy guy. You are young and into martial arts. I'm also into martial arts and I know that you care about your body. Drugs are not easy on your body, even ones your doctor gives you. Even ones sold side-by-side with diet supplements at the corner drug store. Consider all sorts of alternative (non drug, non herbal, non invasive) treatments and therapies.

Regardless of what you choose, you'll have to take chances. You'll have to leave the comfort zone. Perhaps you can make a game of it - reframe the way you look at social interactions... a skilled therapist (as opposed to the thousands of rent-a-friends in the telephone directory) could help you along these lines.

I wish you a lot of luck, but luck ain't gonna change you. It's going to take a lot of hard work and please, unless you are severely handicapped by your illness (barely functioning... ready for the hospital) reconsider pharm chemicals. They are not magic and they have side-effects. Make sure that YOU are in charge of getting better and how you will get better instead of the mighty dollar!

DWK
 

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you have plenty of inhibitions that are with you all the time and you just need to get rid of them.

one mad way of doing this is TRAVELLING!!!

travel opens your mind and makes you see all the things in life, especially interaction with other people, from different perspectives and from different cultures and points of views. The significance that traveling has on these issues ( interaction, confidence, conversation, not giving a **** about what other people think) is so great that i cannot stress it enough!

and when i say travel, I MEAN SOLO TRAVEL, not travel with friends because thats not as nourishing. Its like eating meat without getting any protein!

I havn't travelled much overseas myself but thats the 1st thing on my list as soon as i got enough cash.I live in australia and occasionally stay at hostels every once in a while because it gives me time away from home and time to chill out a bit, and through my experiences doing this, ive met many travellers, especially from England and European countries, and they all tell me how inhibitions that they had back home are practically not there anymore and how much they have grown through theyr travels!

P.S

If you think that what you are going through is not happening to other people, I know at least 13 people that are going through the same thing, and I know one person who was in a similiar situation and he actually went overseas to be a volunteer aid worker! you should see this guy now, its like a new brain was installed in his head. Another guy who was like you is my cousin and he joined the army in lebanon and hes a new person too.

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F U C K The Shrink who diagnosed you with APD and give you medications!

DAMN IT MAN!

I am really pissed off after reading this thread.

What icepick and DWK said this time is completely true!

I will not recommend medications to anyone who feels that he has any personality disorders. ARGH! Don't you know how f*cking sad it is that it has ruined this young man's future......

What will happened if others happened to know he is suffering from personality disorder? How will others think of him? A person who is mentally ill and is best not to be associated with.?

DWK hit it right on the nail head. The shrinks are greedy people who served their own selfish self-interest first. They have been creating many mental health definitions until no body on earth is well. I guess the person who started all this deserved to be f*cked in the ass real bad!

I recommend you to read this book "Mastering your mood" by Dr. Melvyn Kinder. And pls do not neglect to join any self confidence course which you could find on the internet. There are heaps of them on the internet which has helped many people. Dude, don't get too bothered with that label which the shrink has given you. It's just a f*cking name.!

I have avoidant traits in me as well and people called me "Computer Geek" since I am an expert in computers with bachelors degree. But now, I am in my final year of psych and from my point of view, it is up to the psychologists to make or break you. It is advisable for people who are thinking of seeing a shrink to think twice before agreeing to accept treatment. There are evil shrinks out there ready to squeeze the most out of their clients. So if someone discovered you have avoidant traits, "SO WHAT?". Everyone has a slight degree of disorders in themselves. If anyone teases you of having APD, tell them in the face that they're suffering from psychiatric disorders as well. They just don't know it.!

In conclusion, this is not the end of your life.! Get on with your life and make the most out of it.! You don't want that stupid label to hinder you from doing what you like to do. Live happily.!
 

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Work out & eat more meat! Then you get more testosterone, more confidence, and less giving a sh!t about what other people think.

Also, when you find yourself worrying about what other people think, try this: Look around, realize that most everyone else feels the same way to some degree as you do. None of them are thinking about you, judging you etc, they don't really care. They're all thinking and worrying about what other people are thinking about them.
 

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Work out & eat more meat! Then you get more testosterone, more confidence, and less giving a sh!t about what other people think.
Btw, Too much meat isn't good for anyone. You can eat various beans instead. :)

Also, working out is amazing for self-confidence. I highly recommend working out at least 3 times a week.
 

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Only good and intelligent replies in this thread. This forum is surely different from others.
I want to add one thing: Do not tell anybody, you have been diagnosed something. People may avoid you because a part of it *may* be true. It is like if you tell someone, his horoscope says, he should drive another route to workplace today or he´ll get hurt. Anyone will say bull* but if it costs nothing they´ll do it. So they will say "APD, what nonsense" but become insecure in your presence anyway. On the other hand, if you already did tell them, don´t give a f* about it and make some joke, when they bring it up.Later on, when you are the big show at any party, you can say:"Look at me folks! That is what "avoidant personality disorder" looks like HAHAHHAHA".
And: Leave the "comfort" zone as soon as possible. Every day sooner is a day more in a better life.
Do not do things to build your confidence up at home. Also do not rehearse something. Go out without the confidence. Fake it as good as you can for the time. Start talking to someone, without knowing how it will go. And the most important thing: Don´t let the first few setbacks stop you. How you feel will become important later on. What you do is important now.
 

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Wow, some great responses in this thread. Good stuff to Ice--that was beautiful man.

Well I too have had some of these avoidant traits as well. I was the type of person who didn't like talking on the phone and didn't like saying much because I thought I was stupid. In primary school I was pretty good though. I was never afraid to blurt my opinion out to the class and no one minded.

When I got to high school I failed a few exams in a subject and I thought I was stupid. Others in the class didn't seem to have a problem with the work but I did. I started to fail other subjects too and REALLY felt stupid. Then other kids told me how stupid I was. It sucked. So from that point on I didn't say too much and because everyone seemed to tell me how stupid I was, I gave up trying.

Consequently I did pretty badly in high school. The thing is I let others define who I was and became that. I was depressed during high school. No chicks to even have social contact with coz I went to an 'all male' private school...it sucked royally.

I was pretty confident talking to girls when I was in primary school too.

Anyway so I went and this this 'Adult tertiary preperation' course at a local college. This ATP course combined both grade 11 and 12 into one year. I became friends with a few people there because I went to the shopping mall next to the college and played a few arcade games.

Actually it was one dude I met in a english class who was really into the same game I played and so we got talking about that and then we went to the mall regularly to play against each other in the game.

Anyway this guy was pretty smart. He'd already been to university doing a Maths major but dropped out of it either because he found it too difficult or he didn't have an interest in it but the point is he wasn't stupid.

So this guy was doing his study and we'd hang out and he'd come over and we'd study at my house. He helped me out on parts of my math homework and I began to learn that I wasn't as stupid as others in the past had lead be to believe. So I was encouraged by this and kept working at it. Eventually I got through this course and got into university.

So I guess the point I'm trying to make is that you got to try and go past what your current beliefs are and have a go at doing the things you fear. Start small and work your way up. It may take a long time or a short time but if you keep working on it you will improve. I recommend a book called Psycho Cybernetics by Maxwell Maltz.

This book is all about changing your self-image. I'd bet you a billion bucks(if i had it) that you'd gain a lot of insight from reading this book. Please do yourself a favour and visit your local library or book store and pick it up. The book was written in the 1960's and is one of the few books from that era that is still in print today.
 

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I just started Paxil and haven't noticed any positive effects yet.
This leads me to believe your disorder is legit. I'm taking psychology right now, and my teacher was just talking about misdiagnosing and the effect of medications (and placebo). She mentioned that people who get misdiagnosed and start taking medication like Paxil often feel the effects of the drug right away. This is always placebo, so the problem had more to do with negative thoughts than a chemical imbalance. According to my teacher it takes at least a couple of weeks for these drugs to start taking effect enough for you to notice a difference.

Don't listen to some of the ignorant people who replied. It's a misconception that all disorders can be self cured and that you can just "tough it out." Saying "life is hard, take control of your life" doesn't always work. They think this and preach it to you because they don't realize how real these sort of problems are. This sort of advice might work for the vast majority of people, but SOME people, like yourself most likely, REALLY DO have a chemical imbalance. And just because scientists haven't completely mapped out the human brain, it doesn't mean they don't know if a drug works or not.

Listen to the professionals.

[EDIT] I wanted to add that even if the drugs might help, don't use them as a crutch. They are a tool, but so is self improvement and taking more control of your life. Try every angle you can to help yourself.
 
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This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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icepick,

ADPGuy, I used to be EXACTLY the same way! I was never "diagnosed" by any "psychologist", but I acted the same way.
Everyone has symptoms from many, many psychological disorders, but that doesn't mean they have the disease. Only a professional can diagnose.

As for your cousins, unfortunately he got a bad psychiatrist. Either that or you don't know the whole story. He would've been better off doing both. Even still, alcoholism is a totally different animal. You can't lump every disorder into the same category.
 

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I haven't read all of the posts but I read the first few. Those of you who think you can just grit your teeth and fight through this have no f'ing clue how bad this is. I have it. I was diagnosed with this two years ago and rediagnosed with it last friday after a battery of tests. This thing ruins your life and it's a struggle to have any kind of relationship with anyone. It's so ingrained in you that it's part of who you are. It will never go away. It's just worse sometimes than others.

I tried Paxil but it din't work at all. All it did was make me slow and kill my sex drive. it's kinda hard to make on chicks when you have no interest in them whatsoever. Paxil is not the cure. The only thing that helped was alcohol. I could drink enough to make the average man collapse and barely feel it. When I did feel it, it only made me "normal". I've never gotten drunk, ever. No matter what, it has little effect. So your options are to seek therapy, or become an alcoholic. I chose therapy and it's slowly working.
 

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Originally posted by Shiftkey

Don't listen to some of the ignorant people who replied. It's a misconception that all disorders can be self cured and that you can just "tough it out." Saying "life is hard, take control of your life" doesn't always work. They think this and preach it to you because they don't realize how real these sort of problems are. This sort of advice might work for the vast majority of people, but SOME people, like yourself most likely, REALLY DO have a chemical imbalance. And just because scientists haven't completely mapped out the human brain, it doesn't mean they don't know if a drug works or not.

Listen to the professionals.
Why not try what others have said first and if it doesn't improve, then go to the 'professionals' ???

I'm sure there is evidence that supports what the above posters have said.

One point I'd like to make is that, if people keep telling you something about yourself, maybe like, 'you're stupid', and you start to believe it...then it's as though you automatically become stupid.

If people keep telling this guy that he has some psychological disorder, he may or may not have it but if he chooses to believe them, he may as well have it because that is how he will behave.

I agree with the above posters...at least initially. Then if no improvement occurs, then maybe go and get professional help.

Then again, maybe I'm wrong but that's how I see things at the moment.
 

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Pulsar is right.......

Read Psycho Cybernetics. It is a book which is written a long time ago but it still has it's value until today.
 

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Originally posted by Pulsar
Why not try what others have said first and if it doesn't improve, then go to the 'professionals' ???

I'm sure there is evidence that supports what the above posters have said.

One point I'd like to make is that, if people keep telling you something about yourself, maybe like, 'you're stupid', and you start to believe it...then it's as though you automatically become stupid.

If people keep telling this guy that he has some psychological disorder, he may or may not have it but if he chooses to believe them, he may as well have it because that is how he will behave.

I agree with the above posters...at least initially. Then if no improvement occurs, then maybe go and get professional help.

Then again, maybe I'm wrong but that's how I see things at the moment.
you just aren't capable of understanding. it's not a simple behavior, it's his personality. that's who he is. if i told you to become britney spears, could you do it?
 
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