Averge cop needs 2.0 secs, react, draw, hit

[don't]

the 10" circle of the vitals, at 10 ft, either from a security type duty holster, or ccw (concealment, off duty). A master shottist, tho, can do this in a hair under 1.0 sec, from a ccw'd belt rig, IWB, inside the waistband, covered with a hung out T shirt. Given 2.0 seconds, he can make such a draw and hit that circle 6 times, or hit 5 separate torsos, 1 yd or so apart, at 10 ft. If he starts with "hand on gun" in a front pants pocket holster, he will be 1/4 second faster, too. That means that he can hit 5 separate men before the average cop could hit ONE. Skill and knowledge can easily make the diff between life and death.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Averge cop needs 2.0 secs, react, draw, hit

Plus there's a minimum safe distance when trying to take down a guy with a knife coming at you and kill him without getting cut. I have seen that distance estimated at a range of 12-18 feet. A sprinter can cover almost twenty yards in two seconds, add to that the minimum safe distance of five yards or so, and even someone as well-trained as a cop needs to see the bad guy coming a long way away. And that's also with a holstered weapon on a belt, not concealed carry.

I'm obviously not directing this at you, but your typical fat American will have zero open hand combat training and usually pretty crappy marksmanship skills, even under non-stressful conditions. I think for probably 90% or so of the people with concealed carry permits, their gun might as well shoot out the little flag that says "bang."

 

[backseatjuan]

Cops in Russia need to call sheriff to authorize a shooting, unless it's a really, REALLY a must. A guy with a knife coming at you is not a must, and could be taken down using sambo. A guy with a gun, if negotiations failed, could be shot in the arm and disarmed, otherwise cop doing the shooting might go to prison for murder. Things get murderous like in the states when spetsnas is called.

In the states you could be shot and forgotten, like those two arabs on miami beach a while back, some jews called cops and said they have a gun, and cops shot them without asking questions. For something like this in Russia those cops would get 20 years in prison, persons making a false claim something like 5 years with parole on first offense.

 

[donking]

jews are a prime reason america is going to ****. they own 3-4 seats on the godda supreme court as well as socialist tool obama.

 

[don't]

if you "think' cops are "well trained", watch some of their qualifications, and compare to the top men at an IPSC or IDPA match sometime. you won't GET cops to attend such matches, cause they can't STAND being beaten by the WOMEN, and that's what happens, nearly every time, they are so incompetent.

 

[don't]

Dennis tueller postulates that the average cop and civilian need 7 yds of distance to have a CHANCE of reacting to seeing someone charge with a knife, etc, (from a standing start) draw and hit the man in the chest ONCE. a TRULY fast man, however, can manage this from 10 ft distance, especially if he knows to jump backwards or backpedal as he draws and fires.

 

[don't]

99% of the cops might as well have the "flag guns", if they have to start with a draw, they are so slow.

 

[Mr.Positive]

2 shots, center mass, 1.5 seconds. Clocked. My best, hand not touching anything, wild west style.

 

[don't]

openly worn? on a shooting timer? hand "hovering on gun,? Not all that fast, depending upon the range. I can usually manage 2 on the chest, at 10 ft, from a speed rig, on an electronic shooting timer, to include the .20 second reaction time, starting hands down at sides, in sub 1.0 second. Normally, the first hit is sub .70 second. Since few can go unconcealed tho, the ccw draw is what really matters. 1.0 seconds flat, from realistic concealment, under a hung out shirt tail, for instance, for a draw and one hit, is Olympic level perfomrance, at 10 ft and on the chest, for an average of 5 draws, hands at sides start.

 

[Mr.Positive]

on an electronic shooting timer, to include the .20 second reaction time, starting hands down at sides, in sub 1.0 second. Normally, the first hit is sub .70 second. Since few can go unconcealed tho, the ccw draw is what really matters.

Hand on the chest. Reaction time is usually .75 second in the field. I don't see how it's possible to get that first hit in sub .70 seconds.

From the time your mind recognizes "threat", to your body reacting, that's .75 seconds lost. That's a given. The turds have that on us, nothing we can do about that.

 

[don't]

no, it's NOT a "given". I've had that gun "grow out of my wrist" on occasion, when startled badly, like by a car's backfiring or a sudden threat (dogs, men, etc). you dont have to wait to decide to DRAW, and you CAN decide to fire as the gun comes up to eye level. If you don't believe that sub .70 second can be had at the range, on a timer, given a known start signal and known response, "****ed" nerve set, just Google for Jerry Miculek, Brian Enos's forum, etc. Tactical decisions and other such considerations are not part of this time. .20 second reaction time IS part of the .70 second, but not any sort of "decision". That part has been already made, when you say "ready" to the range officer. understand? That's ALL that we can TEST, so leave the decision stuff out of it. I can prove that I can recognize a flash card in 1/4 second, and fire or not fire based upon what I see on that card. That is added to the basic "nervous system" reaction time of .20 second, if "****ed" to fire, at a known signal, within a few seconds of saying "ready".

 

[Mr.Positive]

.20 second reaction time IS part of the .70 second, but not any sort of "decision". That part has been already made, when you say "ready" to the range officer. understand? That's ALL that we can TEST, so leave the decision stuff out of it. I can prove that I can recognize a flash card in 1/4 second, and fire or not fire based upon what I see on that card. That is added to the basic "nervous system" reaction time of .20 second, if "****ed" to fire, at a known signal, within a few seconds of saying "ready".

When your mind decides to draw, this makes sense. What I'm talking about, is when you see a threat, it takes .75 seconds for the mind to tell the body to "draw" the gun. You are talking about after the mind tells the body to draw, I'm talking about before.

You are walking down the street. The guy in front of you turns with a gun raising towards you. You are at a .75 second disadvantage. From the time your eyes see the gun, your mind interprets what is happening, to telling you to draw your gun..... .75 seconds is wasted.