Average guys with a 9-5 job

[skinnyguy]

It seems like lately there have been a lot of posters attacking guys who have average jobs and average lives.

Well, I may be wrong, but I do think there are tons of women out there who have average jobs. Are they all dating rockstars and celebrities?

If you ask me, a guy with a 9-5 job could very well be above average. Many guys are unemployed or underemployed. Not to mention, many guys with no money are pulling women.

The average income in America is what, $40,000? A bunch of people who have 2 kids are making that much. If you're a guy making $60K and you're single, you're way ahead of the game. Now, still, you're not rich by any means, but you should be able to attract women. This whole "average guys don't get laid" thing is nonsense.

The idea that you have to be this exotic guy is pretty blue pill. It means that you have to be a top notch guy in order to have women, while women only have to be average or below average to get men. At some point, the power dynamic needs to shift because at this point it is unsustainable. Guys (especially on chat boards) keep giving women more and more power, making them feel like they are goddesses who deserve billionaires.

The majority of women we approach are average. While it's true you should always be on the lookout for self-improvement, the notion that "average guys with average jobs" are at a disadvantage is toxic, at best.

 

[9Volt]

It seems like lately there have been a lot of posters attacking guys who have average jobs and average lives.

Well, I may be wrong, but I do think there are tons of women out there who have average jobs. Are they all dating rockstars and celebrities?

If you ask me, a guy with a 9-5 job could very well be above average. Many guys are unemployed or underemployed. Not to mention, many guys with no money are pulling women.

The average income in America is what, $40,000? A bunch of people who have 2 kids are making that much. If you're a guy making $60K and you're single, you're way ahead of the game. Now, still, you're not rich by any means, but you should be able to attract women. This whole "average guys don't get laid" thing is nonsense.

The idea that you have to be this exotic guy is pretty blue pill. It means that you have to be a top notch guy in order to have women, while women only have to be average or below average to get men. At some point, the power dynamic needs to shift because at this point it is unsustainable. Guys (especially on chat boards) keep giving women more and more power, making them feel like they are goddesses who deserve billionaires.

The majority of women we approach are average. While it's true you should always be on the lookout for self-improvement, the notion that "average guys with average jobs" are at a disadvantage is toxic, at best.

The same types are "rich" in insecurities. Their success has made them angry that average guys with average income still manage to get chicks and get laid.

It's the same insecurities that infest religious practitioners of "game". They need to believe they are somehow superior and get angry over the fact the human race has been around before and will continue to be around since their religion of "game" was birthed and dies.

it's amazing how the human race has managed to stick around and continue to grow without game or every man being the top 1% in every category.

 

[zekko]

There are lot of guys with average jobs, or even no job, getting women. I always recommend trying to improve your financial or career situation for your own benefit, not to get girls. If we are on self improvement journeys, why ignore your career and finances? They have such a large affect on your living standard, lifestyle, and even freedom.

But yeah, you don't money or a job to get women, totally agree with that.

 

[Urbanyst]

If you are talking about attracting hot women.. then you can't be average. That's just the truth whether you like it or not.

Doesn't mean you need to be rich or even have a good job. But you have to be different from other men in some way.

 

[Serenity]

every man being the top 1% in every category.

This is funny because this is impossible in every way. No more than 1% of men can be in the top 1% else it would not be 1%.

Main point in this thread is valid. Being average is no shame.

 

[bigneil]

First, congratulations on being a hard working man. But no. You won't be respected. Not by me, I respect anyone who doesn't collect welfare. But you must understand that a man making $60K only takes home the equivalent of a woman on welfare (about $40K after taxes). That is why you are not respected. Not because $60K isn't a lot to earn (it is). But because this parasitic, liberal Welfare state has run amok and is handing Syrian and Mexican women the equivalent of what you have to bust your as-s for a whole year to make, only to be yawned at by Syrian and Mexican women (let alone hot Swedish women). End the welfare state and men will get the respect they deserve.

PS - Syrian women were bombed and Mexican women had American corn subsidies that ruined them to begin with. THAT is what we should focus on ending, not bringing them here and giving them welfare. Today at the airport hundreds of people were singing My Country Tis of Thee hoping I was a Syrian woman getting off the plane. They should all be shot on sight for their Communism.

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

I need most of you guys to think the way that you do; otherwise, there would be no room for me.

Keep striving for average.

 

[skinnyguy]

I just feel like it's sad that people are trying to convince men about "self improvement" for the sake of getting laid while women don't have to do the same thing. Sounds like too many men out there pedestalize women. PUA in general accentuates the notion that men are inferior, and have to bust their azz every day just to get a girl.

I'm not saying be lazy. I'm just saying stop attacking men who aren't top 1%. Like someone above said, if all guys were top 1%, there would be no top 1%.

Overall, I agree with zekko's philosophy 100%.

 

[bigneil]

I just feel like it's sad that people are trying to convince men about "self improvement" for the sake of getting laid while women don't have to do the same thing. Sounds like too many men out there pedestalize women. PUA in general accentuates the notion that men are inferior, and have to bust their azz every day just to get a girl.

I'm not saying be lazy. I'm just saying stop attacking men who aren't top 1%. Like someone above said, if all guys were top 1%, there would be no top 1%.

Overall, I agree with zekko's philosophy 100%.

So, you defend the Welfare state and still want me to respect you more than a welfare mom who earns what you do?

 

[AhegaoMaker]

I will never become a Tony Stark, but I have the technical skills, intuition and knowhow to be like one, all sitting wasted everyday because of how society works today...
because that god damned piece of paper that proves the skills you learned in practice on the field is over 9000 unlogged OJT hours away. (who would've thought that piece of paper was worth the jazz? And yet, so many people who have the paper are incompetent asf in their trade - so terribadly it makes me want to go postal...)
...and yet here i am doing three phase industrial electrical and general maintenancelike some common cog in the wheel. 'Wasted potential' comes to mind.

 

[playa99]

Strive to be the best you can be. If that entails working for $40,000 a year in a job you love and your happy, fantastic!

I own a business so im striving to make more money and set up more business's. In my situation that is self improvement.

I don't see why you wouldn't want to improve?

BTW if your improving for anyone but yourself, your doing it wrong!

 

[zekko]

This place is mostly populated by younger guys, so if they are working a 9-5, there's no shame in that, I at least respect them. Kudos for not being a drain on society. Most people don't get to start at the top, they have to work their way up. And I would guess that most guys in their early 20s or whatever aren't sure what they're going to end up doing yet anyway. Just don't give up on trying to figure it out, and look for opportunities to grab or create.

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

This place is mostly populated by younger guys, so if they are working a 9-5, there's no shame in that, I at least respect them. Kudos for not being a drain on society. Most people don't get to start at the top, they have to work their way up. And I would guess that most guys in their early 20s or whatever aren't sure what they're going to end up doing yet anyway. Just don't give up on trying to figure it out, and look for opportunities to grab or create.

Motivations begin at a young age. I thought the way that I do since I was 8!

Those who strive to be average in their 20s will be at best average (unless luck befalls upon them). No complaints here, as I need 99% of men to think this way to create room at the top. However, I find it a shame in a forum filled with young potentiality to seal their fate in such a perfunctory manner.

To be the best was never about getting women. It's about having the willful desire to be the best YOU. The crime is not in never achieving "it," but rather never wanting to have achieved "it."

True self esteem is in knowing your value. Most people unfortunately don't value themselves enough.

I'll share the following that most here will not truly understand: I'm not actualized today after my successes. I was actualized at the tender age of 8.

 

[bigneil]

In my 20's I started my first business (age 26), got my first two multi-million dollar contracts ($1.2M with MGM, $1.383M with Sony), and invented a new technology that I patented in 2002 and which is just now starting to earn me money (mainly for the skills, but I demoed the tools yesterday).

I didn't just say "Why won't people respect me for working at Au Bon Pain"?

 

[Roober]

Motivations begin at a young age. I thought the way that I do since I was 8!

Those who strive to be average in their 20s will be at best average (unless luck befalls upon them). No complaints here, as I need 99% of men to think this way to create room at the top. However, I find it a shame in a forum filled with young potentiality to seal their fate in such a perfunctory manner.

To be the best was never about getting women. It's about having the willful desire to be the best YOU. The crime is not in never achieving "it," but rather never wanting to have achieved "it."

True self esteem is in knowing your value. Most people unfortunately don't value themselves enough.

I'll share the following that most here will not truly understand: I'm not actualized today after my successes. I was actualized at the tender age of 8.

And this is the real point. This site is not about getting women. It is about improving yourself first and foremost. Focusing on yourself is always the mantra. Getting women just happens to be a great fringe benefit.

Not sure how so many seem to miss this very simple message

 

[bigneil]

Seriously, is this OP subtitled "Average = great"? How about a Super Hero called Average Man?

I just had to get on a plane at 4am on a Monday morning and fly to my 46th state and drive into the Rocky Mountains after a snow storm where it was 3 inches of ice and work 32 hours at a new office full of computer nerds in order to secure a new contract. They hardly even serve alcohol there. I had to bring 2 laptops and work 2 other jobs on the road. I did all that just to get a third job.

That is what gave me a 56% raise. I then negotiated an additional $400 a week raise (my boss slipped up and let me see the rate my agency was billing them - $120 an hour, the other is $130 and the third I'm not sure).

I was already in the top 1% of income but am approaching the top .1%. And I won't stop there. I didn't just say "Why won't people respect me for working at Sears?"

If you don't think women prefer men willing to work harder then you are naïve. Chances are, I will take your women who are half my age until you beat me to the top of that mountain.

 

[9Volt]

I just feel like it's sad that people are trying to convince men about "self improvement" for the sake of getting laid while women don't have to do the same thing. Sounds like too many men out there pedestalize women. PUA in general accentuates the notion that men are inferior, and have to bust their azz every day just to get a girl.

I'm not saying be lazy. I'm just saying stop attacking men who aren't top 1%. Like someone above said, if all guys were top 1%, there would be no top 1%.

Overall, I agree with zekko's philosophy 100%.

You'll also notice these same top 1% of men posers are on this same forum daily and go for the bottom of the bucket women regardless of their so-called self improvement to the top 1% of men. POF and strip clubs is where these top 1% men try to meet bottom 1% of women instead of going for true quality like they claim to be doing in other areas of their lives.

 

[RangerMIke]

It's not so much about where you are as where you are going. If you are happy in your 9-5 job and do not have ambition to get higher most women will not be attracted to you. Women like guys that are always striving to be better.

 

[AlphaNate]

Do we have celebrities and rock stars on these forums? News to me.

 

[bigneil]

Internal dominance? That sounds like a gay cream pie porno.

King for yourself? This is the mantra of people who are happy with a crappy life. Women will not be turned on by that attitude. Ask me how I know. I was bankrupt at 32 and tried that idea. It failed. I needed to work harder. But saying down is up is what lazy men often do though. They try to say it's all relative. It is - it's relative to what women think of you.

You need to work your ass off. Millennial men are not good at this.

You need external dominance.

You'll also notice these same top 1% of men posers are on this same forum daily and go for the bottom of the bucket women regardless of their so-called self improvement to the top 1% of men. POF and strip clubs is where these top 1% men try to meet bottom 1% of women instead of going for true quality like they claim to be doing in other areas of their lives.

20 year old women whose photos rate 99%/100 are never bottom of the barrel. Nothing inspires a man more than a 20 year old beauty queen. 20 year old Caucasian women with no kids are SMV 99%. Not 1%. You guys think you can just declare good to be bad and hot to be cold. Wrong.

Women are valued based on their physical beauty. Men are valued for their resources.

Some of you have serious issues with this.

Women are not attracted to men. They are attracted to the resources those men provide. Get some resources.

http://www.fdrpodcasts.com/#/3571/the-ugly-truth-about-the-womens-march