Attractive Female Doctor's Theory on Attraction

[Reyaj]

I made a post on this before. Tenacity also supported this view and it got some backlash. We have to understand that some women are terribly insecure even if they are hot. Some women just dont like alpha, self actualized men. Instead of attracting them it intimidates them. So they date down for more control. Some women are motivated more by the avoidance of rejection than they are by attraction. This is why self improvement is counterproductive for attracting lame women. Just like some women want to be the better looking one in the relationship some women like the be the better quality one. Its insane and sad. Women are really an odd creature.

Yet the whole philosphy of the teachings of this board seems to be the opposite. So what it comes down to is that you should be the best person you can be, and just accept that some girls are just insecure, dumb, or both?

 

[Once Bitten]

I made a post on this before. Tenacity also supported this view and it got some backlash. We have to understand that some women are terribly insecure even if they are hot. Some women just don't like alpha, self actualized men. Instead of attracting them it intimidates them. So they date down for more control. Some women are motivated more by the avoidance of rejection than they are by attraction. This is why self improvement is counterproductive for attracting lame women. Just like some women want to be the better looking one in the relationship some women like the be the better quality one. Its insane and sad. Women are really an odd creature.

This describes my last ex. She would fvck an alpha in her friends little group, but for a relationship she took the one who had little luck in life, and very beta. She doesn't like not being in total control of her man. That I know for sure.

 

[Pandora]

Yet the whole philosphy of the teachings of this board seems to be the opposite. So what it comes down to is that you should be the best person you can be, and just accept that some girls are just insecure, dumb, or both?

Please forgive the length of this reply

Yes. The attractive women who are not married by their late twenties are insecure, dumb, overly picky, weird or all four. Basically something is wrong with THEM. Women are very chaotic creatures. The average man can not even imagine how confused and emotionally chaotic a normal girl can be let alone a girl that has not settled down in their late twenties. Many women have all types of crazy going on in their head. Some are extremely insecure and others have weird fetishes etc etc. These women are controlled by their subconscious and the desires of their subconscious doesnt always make sense. The more rational women get married to a good man by 24. They can override the chaos of their subconcious. Dumb girls can not. Insecure girls can not.

This is why it is never a good idea to base your SMV on the opinion of any particular girl. Especially in this day and age when women are as confused as ever. Half didnt even grow up with a loving father in the house. Women these days will say they are lesbians and are not into men, yet have children by men in the past and they are currently dating a woman that looks like a man?! This is how confused the modern woman is. How can you take a girl like that seriously. Her opinion is based on chaos. The more objective measure of your SMV is what her parents would think of you. This is why the patriarchy was so great. Our ancestors knew that the best way to measure the worth of a man was to have him meet the father and mother. If the father (especially the father) approved then that guy was an alpha or at least a strong beta that would take care of his daughter. That is an opinion that i would take seriously (the fathers). That opinion is based on actual objective measures of worth. Like is he strong, does he make enough money, is he emotionally stable etc etc. Modern women make their vagina choices on the nebulous neurochemicals floating around in her brain at any given moment.

Women can sleep with a lame guy. Then months later wonder what she saw in him. Ive had women say that a guy is not her physical type at all, then go and sleep with him the next week. Ive had women sleep with me quickly, and then act like they are not attracted to me over text then sleep with me again, just to ignore me forever. I had women tell me that if a guy is too confident they get more validation turning him down. Ive had a female friends say that she would date, fu**, and marry a certain guy if he wasnt white. But she wont because he is white and she is not attracted to white guys. Yet she is white and has dated white guys in the past......huh? I known women that will make out with me on the first date then say that we should be friends a week later over text. Ive had women sleep with one of my best friends then claim that she only slept with him quickly because she didnt like him. huh? You get the point. Many women are random and are emotional messes.

The hardest part of dating is deprogramming yourself from taking the opinion of modern women too seriously. I struggle with this still. Our grandfathers knew not to take their opinion too seriously. But we have been raised on Disney and pop culture. They brainwashed us into thinking that women were good judges of character. Now dont take this too far. If NO girls ever like you then the problem is you. But if even 20% of the attractive girls fall in love with you, then you are probably a catch. The others are just to stupid and random to realize it.

 

[Pandora]

This describes my last ex. She would fvck an alpha in her friends little group, but for a relationship she took the one who had little luck in life, and very beta. She doesn't like not being in total control of her man. That I know for sure.

The manosphere can not imagine how insecure some women are. Low self esteem is rampant among women. Its is at epidemic levels. It is so common among women that they even have support groups on college campuses for it. Self esteem greatly effects the partner that you pick. Very insecure girls will fuvk alphas but they tend to run away from them like the plague when the alphas want anything more. It is their way of beating them to the punch. This happens subconsciously much of the time. You ever had a girl see you in person and cant help but touch you? But over text she avoids you? Its becuz she doesnt want to like you because she thinks you will hurt her. But when she sees you she is aroused by you. She will end up dating a beta for control.

The manosphere forgets that many girls are self destructive. Many are self loathing and many just dont really want to be happy. These girls will often sabotage themselves. Do you think that these girls are going to respond well to an alpha that is self respecting, well read, muscular and funny? Heck no. After sex she will run away 9/10 times. Unless they are BPD lol. They will cling onto you and then run away.

The manosphere is working off of the model of a healthy girl with a father. These girls from ideal homes like alphas and stay with them and marry good men. But many many girls are from broken homes, are products of sexual abuse, or are just plain intellectually limited ( dense and stupid). The model of just be an awesome alpha guy is not going to work for these girls. They want a broken man to mirror themselves. People are very complex dark creatures. I dont think the manosphere recognizes that fact.

 

[Pandora]

I once went on a date with this girl a HB6. This girl had a decent job and seemed stable. She was an ex fat girl but now her body was good. All through out the date she kept asking me if i dated skinny girls. She kept accusing me of being a player etc etc. She would not let me leave the car until i told her my insecurities. She literally grabbed my arm and insisted that i tell her my deepest insecurity. I was freaked out.

I didnt call her for a couple days after the date. She calls me and asks me why i didnt call her. I told her that i was busy and that i would really like to see her again. She said ok and then proceeded to never pick up my calls again. Ive told this story before. But it illustrates how insecure many girls are. This girl was sooo painfully insecure that she sabotaged herself. This happens everyday. Many women are just as insecure as this girl but they dont show it. They are random.

 

[Pandora]

A really good movie on this is Vicky, Christina, Barcelona. I am not a fan of Woody Allen's personal life but he does understand women. The blonde girl played by Scarlet Johansson is a perfect example of what i am talking about. Her head is an emotional storm. She is whimsical and thinks that love has to be painful. To her love is not romantic unless it is drama. She ends up getting what she wants in the end but then realizes that she randomly doesnt want that. She has no clue what she wants from a romantic partner.

This is contrasted with the Brunette ( Rebecca Hall) who is mentally stable, very intelligent and is marrying a successful normal guy. She will go on to have a normal functional life. Every man should watch this movie twice.

 

[Reyaj]

Great post Pandora. I can't disagree with what you said. I think the main message to internalize is not let yourself tie any value to a woman's responsiveness to you. This explains why my "game" works on some women regardless of their looks (although I think there are some commonalities in the elite hot chicks) and why it doesn't on others. Being able to adapt and calibrate will always be a work in progress though.. a work in progress I think can only be improved or diminished based on time spent in the field.

Now I am human... of course sometimes when things don't work out with someone I'm interested in I can't help but some be affected... This has also been a constant work in progress for me, but reading and writing these things out really help. The other for lack of a better word "annoying" thing is that I do find myself sexually attracted to some of these head case girls... Any advice you can lend on how to push their buttons to score a lay? Or is it just that I should apply my best game that I have and accept that it's either going to work out or it isn't? As I believe a human has a natural inclination for perfection I'd be interested to hear both your philosophy and tactics when trying to score the lay with a girl you sexually desire. This is of course without knowing how demented she might be.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

She will end up dating a beta for control.

I don't think she consciously thinks about controlling a beta vs. potentially getting hurt with an alpha. All things considered, she just feels less anxiety with a beta than she does with an alpha.

That being said, the idea of a girl being "too insecure" to date an "alpha" is a dangerous mindset, as most guys aren't nearly as alpha as they think they are.

Which means they see a girl who just wasn't into them, and "reframe it" as "she is just too insecure for an alpha like me" because THAT is easier on the guy's ego.

It may feel good, but it doesn't motivate one to improve oneself.

Just as rampant as insecure women is men who lie to themselves in order to protect their egos.

 

[nismo-4]

OP, I commend you for ending the date, but she long rejected you in the beginning. She just thought you were unattractive. Sorry. LOL and she didn't even think you were good for her ego boosting! Alas, you should've just deleted her from all platforms then left her ass. I wouldn't have even gone to hug her.

I had a bad date like this one last month. She seemed like she had interest, and she pulled away when I went in to kino. I knew it was a bust, so I just was polite. As in I got up, deleted all her info and blocked her on OKC.

 

[Reyaj]

OP, I commend you for ending the date, but she long rejected you in the beginning. She just thought you were unattractive. Sorry. LOL and she didn't even think you were good for her ego boosting! Alas, you should've just deleted her from all platforms then left her ass. I wouldn't have even gone to hug her.

I had a bad date like this one last month. She seemed like she had interest, and she pulled away when I went in to kino. I knew it was a bust, so I just was polite. As in I got up, deleted all her info and blocked her on OKC.

True. I've had girls find me attractive and girls find me not so. The bigger question here is if a girl doesn't find you attractive from the get go, how much can game help? I know even if a girl does find me attractive I still need solid game to work it..

As far as the attraction from girls its been both way from all shapes and sizes so I don't take it personal. Actual I feel girls who dont have bad taste.

Again, what is involved though if a girl doesn't feel that instant physical attraction to you? I'd like to hear how some of you have turned this into lays..

 

[Dingo]

Pandora.... Respect....a lot of wisdom in that post....

 

[MatureDJ]

If attraction is subjective, then why do we have an issue with people finding partners?

Attraction is primarily biologically driven. If you are short, have bad hair/eyes/teeth you are going to have a hard time. Also, personality wise, if you naturally don't lead or lack confidence, gonna have a bad time.

Confidence I believe is again very much biology driven. The boys who were stronger faster and more attractive develop self esteem, the others don't, or do it more difficulty.

Biology hand you your role, you fill it. That's why I believe sexual liberation hurts many people. Women will hang around alpha sperm, the old model of sexual fidelity protected society somewhat from this and allowed all men the chance to breed easy. As a woman has no support, she chose on factors other than jock sperm. The whole deal now is going back to cavemen.

Women may have quirks between the types of men they like, but a bank ballance, social respect, money (whether earned or not - it's resources, end of) will automatically make you attractive. What will trump all of that again are good genetics and the others often follow that. I've lost count of the number of thick "professionals" I meet who know nothing but look the part - tall, dark and handsome. These guys get picked de facto for the best roles and the arrogance and self worth develop from that, not the other way around.

That's why this confidence bull**** is touted around. Having good genetics builds confidence based on society and women automatically favouring you, confidence is the code word for this. Telling average men to act like top 10% men doesn't help. You can only act like that if you have the genetic capital in the bank.

It's like when fat women think if they dress and act sexy and have sexual confidence, it makes them nubile and hot. That's only doable if you ARE hot. Advice should always be to work at the gym or build your income to display a better picture of ones genetics, not to worry about how attraction works, it's really very simple.

This post is so good that I am motivated to set up another account just so I can like it multiple times.

 

[MatureDJ]

Regarding what you said which in my opinion is totally true, lets remember that according to many researches beautiful kids get more attention from their teachers and this helps them to perform better, which allows get to get higher marks and a better education therefore a better job and finance...so we basically talk of a snowball effect that starts with your simmetric face as kid and ends with you being president as adult.

No, I don't buy that. Bodies that develop well have brains that develop well too. I don't see too many physically attractive Down's syndrome folks.

 

[MatureDJ]

The more rational women get married to a good man by 24. They can override the chaos of their subconcious. Dumb girls can not. Insecure girls can not.

No, I think it's a case of r/K selection theory. Attractive women's genes can survive as a picky "K" while ugly women's genes can only survive as an "r" that spreads her legs for anyone; the picky "r" genotypes get culled.

 

[Reyaj]

The more I meet girls the more I think this is the type of thing we need to be focusing on... It seems girls are either attracted to you and then you need solid game or they aren't and you should next them asap (even during that date) as most of what you try to get the lay will be futile.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I have had maximum chemistry(mutual love at first sight, not overstating this, yes it was mutual) and it meant nothing both ultimately and even with a few weeks of exclusivity.

So mutual strongest lust and attraction? LOL. And when it wears off you are left with who the person is and how they treat you.

 

[lizardking82]

Please forgive the length of this reply

Yes. The attractive women who are not married by their late twenties are insecure, dumb, overly picky, weird or all four. Basically something is wrong with THEM. Women are very chaotic creatures. The average man can not even imagine how confused and emotionally chaotic a normal girl can be let alone a girl that has not settled down in their late twenties. Many women have all types of crazy going on in their head. Some are extremely insecure and others have weird fetishes etc etc. These women are controlled by their subconscious and the desires of their subconscious doesnt always make sense. The more rational women get married to a good man by 24. They can override the chaos of their subconcious. Dumb girls can not. Insecure girls can not.

This is why it is never a good idea to base your SMV on the opinion of any particular girl. Especially in this day and age when women are as confused as ever. Half didnt even grow up with a loving father in the house. Women these days will say they are lesbians and are not into men, yet have children by men in the past and they are currently dating a woman that looks like a man?! This is how confused the modern woman is. How can you take a girl like that seriously. Her opinion is based on chaos. The more objective measure of your SMV is what her parents would think of you. This is why the patriarchy was so great. Our ancestors knew that the best way to measure the worth of a man was to have him meet the father and mother. If the father (especially the father) approved then that guy was an alpha or at least a strong beta that would take care of his daughter. That is an opinion that i would take seriously (the fathers). That opinion is based on actual objective measures of worth. Like is he strong, does he make enough money, is he emotionally stable etc etc. Modern women make their vagina choices on the nebulous neurochemicals floating around in her brain at any given moment.

Women can sleep with a lame guy. Then months later wonder what she saw in him. Ive had women say that a guy is not her physical type at all, then go and sleep with him the next week. Ive had women sleep with me quickly, and then act like they are not attracted to me over text then sleep with me again, just to ignore me forever. I had women tell me that if a guy is too confident they get more validation turning him down. Ive had a female friends say that she would date, fu**, and marry a certain guy if he wasnt white. But she wont because he is white and she is not attracted to white guys. Yet she is white and has dated white guys in the past......huh? I known women that will make out with me on the first date then say that we should be friends a week later over text. Ive had women sleep with one of my best friends then claim that she only slept with him quickly because she didnt like him. huh? You get the point. Many women are random and are emotional messes.

The hardest part of dating is deprogramming yourself from taking the opinion of modern women too seriously. I struggle with this still. Our grandfathers knew not to take their opinion too seriously. But we have been raised on Disney and pop culture. They brainwashed us into thinking that women were good judges of character. Now dont take this too far. If NO girls ever like you then the problem is you. But if even 20% of the attractive girls fall in love with you, then you are probably a catch. The others are just to stupid and random to realize it.

I wanna overlike this post, like like it twice or three times. Like you read my mind on these things, especially on the subconscious thing.

 

[Reyaj]

I wanna overlike this post, like like it twice or three times. Like you read my mind on these things, especially on the subconscious thing.

Did they change the age restriction on this forum? This troll's profile says he is 23