"Attraction isn't a Choice" What it truly means.

setarcos

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When David De Angelo says "Attraction isn't a Choice" What came to your mind first? What came to my mind was:
If you meet a girl, she is either attracted to you or she isn't attracted to you. And thats it. Period.

This was a very logical, concise way to put it, and it is mostly incorrect.

For people who haven't really looked into this, or gone out into the field and really scrutinized their interaction with women you may not have realized exactly what is meant.

Attraction isn't a choice. Key word.. Attraction. What is it? Why is it there? Why is it not a choice?

David says something along the lines of "Attraction is the human reaction to cause someone to want to mate with another with good genes."

Its there to spread genes. But is it a choice or not?

The answer is still no, Attraction isn't a choice, but here is why it isn't a choice?

Women are not attracted to "good looks" "dark skin" "toned body". They just find them very appealing. Women are attracted to how you make them feel! You don't make women feel good by dressing fancy and becoming tanned.

You make them feel good by being a man around them. An alpha. By being a high status male with values. Women don't have any choice BUT be attracted to you. Men who don't give up their emotions easily, sacrifice values and needs for anything less. Someone others look up to (social proof). Someone who knows and has things, but doesn't care to brag about them.

They may not like you, love you, or want you. In fact they may hate you. But they will be attracted to you. Without attraction, you can't take your relationship to the next level.

Attraction isn't going to get you laid. Attraction is the very first phase of a relationship. As Mystery said:
Attraction -> Comfort -> Sex -> Relationship.

Attraction is only the first step. Once you learn, understand, and "become" the traits of a masculine male, ALL normal women will become attracted to you whether they are in relationships or whatever.

Creating attraction is only the first step. The game is played in comfort, so don't think that you got it all together just yet.

However attraction isn't hard once you understand Status, Alpha, Masculinity, Body Language, etc.

You need to read about it and go out into the field. Read IOIs and base your actions on IOIs, never on what people say. Don't ask for advice on how you act, it must be your instinct. Knowing you are right will up your confidence A LOT!

Attraction F2M is all about confidence. Confidence, confidence, confidence.

To get confidence... well, here is was I do. I think of life as one giant experiment. All life is an experiment, JUST DO IT. Confidence will come. I'm sorry to say it, but you probably won't gain much confidence without trying and being successful.

Mask failure as a successful lesson in life.

Anyway, once you built the attraction (which you will EVERY TIME once you understand masculinity and confidence), then we can worry about comfort.

I am still a student of Attraction. All I can say is I never hit on girls. I project traits to cause them to become attracted to me. They don't have a choice about it!!

Read my thread on Status http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66878 On how to start your path towards a high status male.

When I understood those concepts, my views changed forever.

PS. Attraction has its own phases. You must learn to "Open" women and other things. Check out Thundercat's book "The Art of Approaching" it is MONEY!
And of course, read Mystery Method. Again, $$$$$$$$
 

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I disagree this is mostly incorrect. I personally see how this works. When I first learned of this concept, I had two girls that logically you would think there would be no chance in the world to date or score, but happened. The first girl was part of a bachleorette party, she wanted to sell me a sucker for a buck. I refused her with a sly smile. She got so offended by that she went off yelling at me. Calling me gay, every swear word in the book, etc. She wouldn't quit. I never was scared, made fun of her, laughed, imitated her. It was quite amusing. I walked away from her and no more than 30 minutes later, she came to apologize to me and told me she liked me because how I handled her [childlike] behavior. In the second instance, I was at the gym with a friend and we were talking about different women there. I said "that girl is too short (5'2")" not knowing she heard that. Coincidently that evening, the same girl was out and came up to me and started talking, she was talking herself in a loop she asked me if I went to the gym, then she said I didn't know if you were from high school college, then she told me that she came up to me to confront me about me saying she was too short. I ended up with both calling me, wanting to see me, want sex etc. Now tell me how David Deangelo's concept is incorrect by real life examples.
 

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I am still a student of Attraction. All I can say is I never hit on girls. I project traits to cause them to become attracted to me. They don't have a choice about it!!
I like what you said here.

Projecting traits, prizing, versus persuing.

That's profound enough for guys to "get it" and summarizes alot of what I put forth. Working on yourself, "projects" traits of who you are. Since women can't know by your word, and only through actions, you are FORCED to act to COMMUNICATE who you are.

A girl I date, who's easily a bomb 10, blonde, 18, young, but won't date young guys, under 22...said...

"Everytime I talk to you, you have another great dream to take on, and you get them done. You're ambitious, I like that."

Rather than me saying I'm ambitious, driven, passionate, she hears THROUGH my intentions what I am. Speaking is nice, but it's filler, it's noise.

And attraction isn't a choice. Meaning she doesn't just choose it like it's a switch to flick off and on. It's magnetism, and either you ATTRACT or REPEL. To attract, you must BECOME.



Think of it from HER shoes. Most girls view a good amount of men, even if they're not super hot, they still get their fair share no matter what because we're all pretty horny. With that in mind, what is it you can do to differentiate yourself? How you make her FEEL. Because that FEELING is unique to you, it's like a personal fingerprint. Everytime you resurface...it brings back the sensations before. [Anchored].

What you make her feel is the result of...


*Who you are.
*How you carry yourself.
*What feel about yourself.
*What you make her feel through questioning, interaction, actions.

You're better off doing what you feel, even if it's wrong, than not doing anything at all that may have been right, but never acted upon.

Another great CD is by "Shark" on www.playboylifestyle.net.

Much of what he talks about is tonality, doing what you feel (which is manly/alpha) and how society's programming pegs you into certain holes. And it does. Since when did people some fearsome, afraid of approaching other? Afraid of women? It's NATURAL. But fears, which are unnatural overwhelm most.


Good post, and very lucid point.



A-Unit
 

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Originally posted by stalluproar
I disagree this is mostly incorrect.
You should read my post closer before you reply. I said my first interpretation that seemed logical was incorrect.

I agree with David De Angelo in almost every way.
 

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Originally posted by Blue Phoenix
Socrates you´re a pretty smart man, even though I disagree with some of your points.
Well which points? I'd like to know so I can see your perspective.
 

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Originally posted by setarcos
Women are not attracted to "good looks" "dark skin" "toned body". They just find them very appealing. Women are attracted to how you make them feel! You don't make women feel good by dressing fancy and becoming tanned.
I don´t buy this one. To me this is a marketing tool used in order to sell more books (once a wider public is reached).

If a girl finds a man attractive thats what matters. Be it via body/being hot or by being an attractive guy. Why do people suggest to work out? In order to become more attractive.

Of course that what David D teaches is good and indeed can make a person be more attractive (in a "non physical way"), but saying women are not attracted to good looks is too much to me.

Originally posted by setarcos
You make them feel good by being a man around them. An alpha. By being a high status male with values. Women don't have any choice BUT be attracted to you.
Again you can trigger a woman´s arousal by being hot or "alpha", unless the hot guy is a complete dumb/arrogant person.

That´s my point of view.
 

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Re: Re: "Attraction isn't a Choice" What it truly means.

Originally posted by Blue Phoenix
I don´t buy this one. To me this is a marketing tool used in order to sell more books (once a wider public is reached).

If a girl finds a man attractive thats what matters. Be it via body/being hot or by being an attractive guy. Why do people suggest to work out? In order to become more attractive.

Of course that what David D teaches is good and indeed can make a person be more attractive (in a "non physical way"), but saying women are not attracted to good looks is too much to me.



Again you can trigger a woman´s arousal by being hot or "alpha", unless the hot guy is a complete dumb/arrogant person.

That´s my point of view.
Well, would Brad Pitt be as attractive if he had a sad face, a high pitched voice, submissive body language, and was biting his finger nails while staring at his feet like an obsession? Probably not... but he'd still look like a good looking guy.

Alpha males get into shape because they are the alpha male. Usually fat guys aren't alpha unless they really have their **** together. So even you, in some cases are mixing up the alpha with the good looking. There are some fat good looking men out there. But really, whether you think someone is good looking is really a choice. Attraction, however, isn't a choice in the same sense.

I believe if just about ANY guy gets into his tip-top shape, he will be at least a 7 on the "hot" meter because even women confuse attraction and good looks in those cases.
 

At this point you probably have a woman (or multiple women) chasing you around, calling you all the time, wanting to be with you. So let's talk about how to KEEP a woman interested in you once you have her. This is BIG! There is nothing worse than getting dumped by a woman that you really, really like.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Actually alot of fat guys are kind of alpha around here.

If they are big and broad shouldered, they can be in poor shape and dumb and still have the alpha over guys liek me who are naturally skinny but have packed muscle on. (I still have thinner shoulders but that is due to natural bone structure)
 

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I was watching that david deangelo seminar thing, and it totally changed how i think. To be honest i walk around now thinking of EVERYONE as a little dot in there stomach, the mechanism for creating attraction at an INSTINCT level. I also work around like gold is pooring out of me in my mind, and it works great. Ive got some extremely hot chicks numbers, and now its just time to decide which one i think i click with.:woo:
 
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