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ok im talking a to a girl who goes to my uni on facebook. its my only way to communicate with her. we havent talked much and i dont know her that well. i want to ask her to meet up with me for coffee. would that be lame? how should i ask her? i was gonna say...

"hey this is a little random but would you like to meet up for coffee sometime this week?"

how should i put it?
 

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Put it on your terms. Say you have a break between classes from 2 to 4 on Tuesday, and you'll be enjoying your favorite coffee at the coffee bar in the student center, and you'd really like to meet her face to face. Then, no matter what she says, actually be there, and put on a big smile and rise to greet her if she shows up. Be friendly and chat with the coffee girl or other students so you're socializing no matter what she does.
 

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heres the situation. i had a class with her over the summer in which we talked some. she told me to add her on facebook. so i havent seen her in a few months. last week i randomly chatted her up on facebook. so now i want to ask her. maybe its a bit too random and creepy and she would say no? should i give it time and talk to her more?
 

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Get her phone number and ask her directly. Be speicfic about day and time. If you facebook her she can take days to get back to you. You gotta put her on the spot.
 

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By "randomly chatted her up" I assume you mean you emailed her and she replied.

Don't ask her out on FB. And stop saying random in every sentence. There is nothing random about seduction.
 

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spang said:
ok im talking a to a girl who goes to my uni on facebook. its my only way to communicate with her. we havent talked much and i dont know her that well. i want to ask her to meet up with me for coffee. would that be lame? how should i ask her? i was gonna say...

"hey this is a little random but would you like to meet up for coffee sometime this week?"

how should i put it?
Don't say "Hey this is random." it just sounds like you're saying, "Hey this is awkward." or "Hey I don't normally have dates with girls."

You're a salesman selling a product - yourself. A car salesman wouldn't say, "Hey, this is random but uhhh maybe you'd like to buy this car?" If you're going to ask for something, then just ask for it. Don't describe it as random or awkward or anything like that.

Have a conversation with her. Steer the conversation towards your social life. Ask her about parties, bars, cafes. THEN say, "You'd love this cafe/bar/whatever that I went to. Let's check it out. What's your number?"

It sounds like a normal social interaction, right? No pressure. Just you and her sharing a common interest and going somewhere together.


spang said:
heres the situation. i had a class with her over the summer in which we talked some. she told me to add her on facebook. so i havent seen her in a few months. last week i randomly chatted her up on facebook. so now i want to ask her. maybe its a bit too random and creepy and she would say no? should i give it time and talk to her more?
If she's going to say no, then she's going to say no. If she's going to say no, it's probably because she's not attracted to you. Not because of how you asked her. And it's just a fact of life that some girls won't be attracted to you. Either way, it's up to you to find out.

But never describe asking a girl out as "random and creepy"...not even to yourself. These things are only creepy if you make it creepy.
 

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Iceberg said:
If she's going to say no, then she's going to say no. If she's going to say no, it's probably because she's not attracted to you. Not because of how you asked her. And it's just a fact of life that some girls won't be attracted to you. Either way, it's up to you to find out.
I think this is a good sentence. Personally I embrace rejection and try to get the "NO" out of them as fast as possible.

One thing I want to add is guys can't so much assume they're always being rejected because the girl isn't attracted. They are talking to you right? Giving you their number? I think it helps to realize that we really don't know much about these girls and what's going on in their life that prevents them from seeing you. Yeah a lot of guys on here especially the new ones totally screw their chances with their approach and follow through but still. There could be 100 different reasons for rejection even if they do everything right. For example there could and almost always is another guy in the picture. They could have psycological issues. Her mom maybe didn't pay enough attention to her when she was 3. A semi truck could have crashed into her house that morning.

The point is I think guys should just concentrate on being as attractive as possible and approaching women the right way. Don't analyze why they've been rejected. It's a total waste of time. Instead analyze how you conducted yourself in your approach and follow through with them.

Perfect opportunity here for Mr. Spang to do just that.
 

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all right how is this...
'Hey i was just thinking i havent had a good starbucks coffee in a while. I got some free time tuesday at 3pm, why dont we meet up and get some and get to know each other better?"
 

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spang said:
all right how is this...
'Hey i was just thinking i havent had a good starbucks coffee in a while. I got some free time tuesday at 3pm, why dont we meet up and get some and get to know each other better?"

Haha, man up dude. Get her phone number.
 

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Renegade357 said:
Haha, man up dude. Get her phone number.
ok...
"hey whats your phone number?"
im still asking on facebook to someone i havent seen in 3 months.
 

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Renegade357 said:
Haha, man up dude. Get her phone number.
Agreed. Get the number. Stop trying to do all the work via Facebook.

And don't say that "get to know each other better" stuff. That's already implied. You're trying to take her out for a fun time. Not some type of serious "get to know each other better" date.

It sounds like I'm being picky. But you're dealing with a college girl. Very RARELY are they out for serious dating. They're looking for fun and hooking up. Coffee dates. Dinner dates. Getting to know each other better..that's not their thing.

Most importantly, get her number. That's the big thing. You can ignore the rest of my advice. But just get her number.

spang said:
ok...
"hey whats your phone number?"
im still asking on facebook to someone i havent seen in 3 months.
You already saw that advice above. Talk about your social life. Use the social life discussion to suggest catching up. As in...you're talking about parties, clubs, bars, etc. Then you say, "I'll let you know the next time I'm up to something fun. What's your number?"

Okay. So now you have her number. Then you call or text her, have a conversation, and then say, "Hey what are you up to tomorrow?
Let's grab a drink (or coffee)."

You're stuck in this mindset of considering yourself to be some "creepy, random guy who hasn't spoken to her in 3 months and has no right to ask her out." You can call yourself whatever you want....either way, you want her number. So get over your fears and doubts and do it.
 

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Definitely break away from Facebook and get the number. Blah-blah her for a short while, say you gotta jet, and get her number. THEN, via 2 or 3 short texts ask her to go to coffee when you are free.

Keep it simple, with few words. Save the chatting for face to face. If you strike out try again in a week. After that, if Simon still says no, it doesn't look good.
 

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VladPatton said:
THEN, via 2 or 3 short texts ask her to go to coffee when you are free.

Haha, naahhhhhpppp. Forget texting. He needs to call her straight up. It'll be good for him. Show her he has some confidence. Even better leave her a voice mail and make her call him back.
 

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Don't say "Hey this is random." it just sounds like you're saying, "Hey this is awkward." or "Hey I don't normally have dates with girls."

You're a salesman selling a product - yourself. A car salesman wouldn't say, "Hey, this is random but uhhh maybe you'd like to buy this car?" If you're going to ask for something, then just ask for it. Don't describe it as random or awkward or anything like that.

Have a conversation with her. Steer the conversation towards your social life. Ask her about parties, bars, cafes. THEN say, "You'd love this cafe/bar/whatever that I went to. Let's check it out. What's your number?"

It sounds like a normal social interaction, right? No pressure. Just you and her sharing a common interest and going somewhere together.




If she's going to say no, then she's going to say no. If she's going to say no, it's probably because she's not attracted to you. Not because of how you asked her. And it's just a fact of life that some girls won't be attracted to you. Either way, it's up to you to find out.

But never describe asking a girl out as "random and creepy"...not even to yourself. These things are only creepy if you make it creepy.
I must say iceburg you are really coming into your own man. good **** here.

very good point as well about selling the product.. I mean, it's true. it's also no coincidence that the best salesman always have dime pieces. I've never met a good sales guy wtih an ugly girlfriend. one of my co workers, hell he wasn't even a GREAT one he was a pretty good one, was married to a miss arkansas.

To further the analogy, something you learn on the car lot is to assume the sale. Kinda along the lines of "make the hoe say no". If you give the client a stop sign, guess what he's going to do 10 out of 10 times? I've never asked a client, rather i was selling a car or a website or a computer hey, are you ready to buy this right now? the answer is going to always be no. even if they are the answer is going to be no. they will find something to think about, something to gripe over, something to ponder and the more they ponder the less chance you have of getting a sale. maybe they go to a different lot just to com pare one last time, and run into a real salesman that closes the deal. maybe their wife talks them out of it. just saying, ifyou give the client /girl a reason to stop, she's gonna stop. The bigger the item you are selling the more hesitiant they are going to be to go foward, even if they want it. you got to give them the nudge.

I mean, even with cars, there are some cases where, the client has sold themselves on a car before they even walked through the door and all you hae to do is sit there. in those cases it doesn't matter what you do, but that's usually not the case. Same way with women... some women might have a crush on you and regardless of what comes out your mouth you aren't giong to f it up. but that's usually not the case.

If you assume the sale, a lot of the time the client will just jump past them on their own. you have to make it sound/look ilke you do this **** all day everyday and that what you are doing is 10000% normal and expected.

put in that perspective, why woudl you tell a girl "this is random" that's like saying lol look usually i dont' sale **** lol, but since you are here, can i sale this to you lol?

Assume the sale. Make her say no, and i'm not saying she won't ever not have any objections, but at least, if you assume the sale, you ahve a blueprint for how to hanlde it. If I ask a client to buy a website from me after i showed him what we can do, gave him a propsoal and he says let me think about it or let me get back to you, there is only one of three things that he can be thinking about

1. the price
2. can we actually do the work
3. there is something about me or the way I present myself he isn't fond of.

now, number 3 i really can't do **** about. Number 1 i can.. sometimes it's not even thep rice it's the pay structure, number 2 9 out of 10 times i can resolve. Either way, by assuming the sale, he has to put his cards on the table.. but if you go to him and ask him if he is ready, eh's going to say no, and even worse, you aren't going to figure out why, beudcase he's pretending to read over everything. both of you are stroking each other off.

once i send a client a proposal I confirm that they have read it and then I send an invoice and a formal contract. if i dont' hear from them that day i know somethign is wrong so I call them andf even then, i assume we are ready to start.. but if we aren't, 19 out of 20 times he's going to say, this looks great but.. can you do this or i'm not sure about that..

it's the same thing with women. if you assume the sale, teh very worst thing that can happen is that she tell you why she isn't 100% gung ho. then, from that point on your game has to do the rest of the work. girl tells you well i just got out of a relationship you say lol damn aren't you conceded what makes you think i am looking to date you lol? i'm just trying to go out and have a good time and you seem like a cool cat, nothing more. girl tells you well i don't know you, you say well captain obvious that's why we are going out lol, so i can get to know you. Girl tells you i got stuff to you , you say and i don't? make time.

just saying, it's a process. you are a salesman. you are selling your company, you are a package.
 

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I agree. The other salesman rule that applies here is "the first person you have to sell is yourself." That's why confidence is attractive. All successful salespeople believe in their product, because emotion is contagious.
 

Channel your excited feelings into positive thoughts and behaviors. You will attract women by being enthusiastic, radiating energy, and becoming someone who is fun to be around.

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spang said:
ok im talking a to a girl who goes to my uni on facebook. its my only way to communicate with her. we havent talked much and i dont know her that well. i want to ask her to meet up with me for coffee. would that be lame? how should i ask her? i was gonna say...

"hey this is a little random but would you like to meet up for coffee sometime this week?"

how should i put it?

You're over thinking this sh1t. Simply ask her what she's been up to lately. After she answers ask her what type of coffee she likes. When she replies tell her good. Leave me your number and we'll meet up for coffee. My treat. I haven't seen you in a while and wanted to catch up with you face to face. She either accepts or she doesn't. Don't chase her if she gives an excuse. Or if so ask her when's usually a good time that she's free.
 

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Bible_Belt said:
I agree. The other salesman rule that applies here is "the first person you have to sell is yourself." That's why confidence is attractive. All successful salespeople believe in their product, because emotion is contagious.
yep.t hat's why i only sold cars I actually liked. that's why I only sale websites I actually want to build.



I want to expand on something, I think i touched something here that could be of great benefit to some people.

I think, some.. actually a lot of guys, mistake natrual reluctance to try something new for low IL. There is this image out there that if a woman just is not chumping at the bit to see you that you need to drop her beucase she isn't interested. And to a great extent I agree.. if a girl just won;t' pick up the phone or is avoding you than you need to move on.

However, it's natural for people to just be.. reluctant to want to try something new. We are all very much creatures of habit. like, a friend of mine a few days ago recommended that I watch a movie that he thought i might like (the usual suspects). I took the last 2 days off, and I have watched 3 movies, none of which are the usual suspects. It's not that i don't want to watch it, however I first want to watch things that i know I 'm going to like, if that makes sense.

However, let's say my wife came home and someone gave her the same recommendation of a movie to watch and she was interested to watch it.. at that point, i would be ready to watch the movie.


It's what I call, the Nudge.

The nudge, is basically taking someone who is on the fence about doing something, or showing slight reluctance to do something, then adding to their motivations to do something thus getting them to do what you want them to do.

I'll give you a real example. I met a girl about what.. 8 years ago.. actually 9. i got her number. she seemed to like me. we set up a date. she flaked. we setup another. she flaked. According to this site, **** i even think i posted about it, i should have nexted her.

This is what i did. i went to her job, i told her that i'm not mad at her at all, however this is what i'm going to do. i have tickets to go see a play (dreamgirls). it's tomorrow. I'm going to pick you up at 6pm. I will be more than happy to take you, but if you flake or stand me up,k you won't ever hear from me again. i won't be mad, but I'm not going to keep getting stood up.

turns out, she had just gotten out of a 6 year relationship. it wasn't that she didn't' like me, she just didn't know if she was ready to jump into something. but, tickets to a really hot play, plus me telling her to get her ass together or she's out, was just enough motivation to get her out the house, as i had no problem at all the next day getting her, **** she called me early. And even as the date started i could tell she wasn't 100% into it. however by the end of the date, she didn't' want to leave. we ended up dating for a pretty significant amount of time.


this is in essence, the nudge. There are 3 essential factors into performing a good nudge

1. she actually has to like you. at least to some extent. really only field experience is going to be able to show you the difference between a real true flake or a girl who is on the fence. this will only work with girls who are no the fence, not girls who just aren't interested.

2. there has to be a carrot, in addition to spending time with you. You know, i don't particularly care for carrots.. let's change this to something i do care for. I like cupcakes lol. going out to eat is not a cupcake **** she can eat at home lol. Going to coffee is not a cupcake. The cupcake in my story was the tickets to the play. the play was sold out and everyone wanted to go. i had tickets. i knew she'd like the play, and that, in combination with her actually kinda liking me was enough for her to give me a chance.

3. there has to be a stick. Again, you know sticks don't necessarily conjure up something fearful for me. Switches on the other hand, having my ass beat by them on a regular basis growing up, do. The switch, was me telling her that while i won't be mad, i mean if you honestly aren't ready you can go on your way and there will be no hard feelings, but I'm not going to do this again. this works beucase of point 1.. she actually kinda is interested in you. maybe not as much as you want her to be, but enough to want to at lest see what you are about.

if done right, this works just about every time. you'll get her out the house.

What am i trying to say?

okay, let's apply the nudge to the OP. first, coffee isn't gonna work. come up with something that you think she might be interested in, or even better, something that you really are interested in that you want to do that you can take her along with. Then, just put the cards on the table. say hey, this is wht i want to do and i would like to do with you but i'll be frank, while you seem like a cool cat i dont' chase shadows. I'll give you this chance but if you flake on me i'm out.

and if that isn't enough to work, then it just wasn't gonna work
 
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spang said:
all right how is this...
'Hey i was just thinking i havent had a good starbucks coffee in a while. I got some free time tuesday at 3pm, why dont we meet up and get some and get to know each other better?"
Be more assertive. You are the man so be in control.

Start talking to her and after a few minutes of talking, say something like:
"Hey, let's grab a coffee at Starbucks. Meet me there at 3 PM on Tuesday."
If she says she cannot, fine. Continue the conversation like if nothing happened.

Cheers.
 

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no additional advice here (the one that has been given is good enough), just wanted to say i think it is great that you keep on going despite the doubts you had recently. it might be hard for some time, but in the end it will be worth it. good luck (we all need that)
 

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I know it's supposed to be bad form to ask if she is available to meet you, but I have found that actually asking has greatly increased the amount of girls that I meet up with and the downside is basically non existant. Maybe it's just me.

The idea would be to build your value to her before asking, so she jumps at the chance. However, when this isn't totally there yet, try this message.

I did this the other day (with basically no built in value) to a gorgeous girl who moved back to town. We met up and slept together.

This is what I sent:

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Hey! I randomly see your posts from time to time on here and remind myself to meet up with you for coffee and conversation before my move to LA.

I am pretty swamped, but could get away for an hour or so sometime. However, I promise nothing but good conversation. Maybe a really gross story....maybe.

So, mark your answer:

Yes_ No _ **** Off And Die _

What days are usually good for you?

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Her response:

Hahaha umm i gotta figure out when I am free!!! I'll write you back when I get home I'm on my phone lol

But yes I do want too!!

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I then said "Cool, text is better. When you get home, let me know. 7xx-xxx-xxxx"

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Fully aware that I broke some "rules" in that email, but I am finding that this stuff, especially the "Yes___ No___ **** Off And Die ___ " part works alot, gets the girls to laugh AND gets them to actually say "Yes", which I've found stops flaking in my case.

Just some thoughts. :)
 

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