As soon as you get better, they will know.

[plumber]

Those men are losers who don't know the art of seduction. Do they go telling the girls they make this amount of money and then ask them for a date?

I have seen that work.... not the preferred way, but better than incel... Loser is an opinion, everyone has an opinion. If the dude busted his ass to get money, and can't catch on to seduction then is he a loser or just doing his best... Not lazy if he busted his ass; opinions vary.

How about the guy that talks good, but has nothing. Is he a loser...

 

[CornbreadFed]

Women women women, fvcking retarded. Every post in this forum revolves in men thinking so low of themselves that every $hit they have is targeted for women. No wonder why most of you are so thirsty that can't a fvcking puzzy. Who gives a fvck what women think about your fvcking money.

women determine your smv so they do matter actually.

 

[MatureDJ]

There’s nothing wrong with low six figs per se. That’s where I’m at.

But it doesn’t really show up on women’s radar in 2025. I think that is what the other guys are getting at.

And that income is relative to the locale, since that in a place like SoCal, Silly Valley, Seattle, Manhattan, etc., it isn't all that much.

 

[MatureDJ]

women determine your smv so they do matter actually.

Well, if like for your avatar, you can get away with chopping their heads off when they act up ...

 

[MatureDJ]

Those men are losers who don't know the art of seduction. Do they go telling the girls they make this amount of money and then ask them for a date?

Uh, this is the way your grandfather did it ...

 

[MatureDJ]

That's the point I was making. I have known men with annual salaries in the low six figures in last 10-12 years and it wasn't helping them get dates and get laid.

When I was doing full-time work, I probably made about that much relative today, relative to my locale, and for the most part, the only thing that attracted was fat chicks & single mommies. That said, it did probably get me past the first page checklist.

 

[MatureDJ]

Women women women, fvcking retarded. Every post in this forum revolves in men thinking so low of themselves that every $hit they have is targeted for women. No wonder why most of you are so thirsty that can't a fvcking puzzy. Who gives a fvck what women think about your fvcking money.

Uh, the only reason ANYONE is on this forum is because of poon-tang, one way or another, and mostly they have a dearth of options.

 

[MatureDJ]

There is always a phase of evolution, but it is always what you actively do to maintain things: so do you actively "dread" to maintain it or is it a relationship based on "nonviolent communication"?



There are two women in my life (old highschool friends), even though they are currently engaged, who keep coming back as soon as they know I've changed something in my life. (For example, if I've gotten a new tattoo, changed my clothing style, bought a new car or house, gotten a dog, or adopted a new style of beard. They really "need" to come and "check" what's new, like when a new software release has a changelog, and you go to see it.

You have great knowledge, and I wonder what this means, and if it commonly happens to men who are on a "self-improvement" path, both out there and here in the forum.

I'd like to think that the kind of gal I am looking to attract would view a tattoo on a man as a disqualifier.

 

[New_Journey]

I have seen that work.... not the preferred way, but better than incel... Loser is an opinion, everyone has an opinion. If the dude busted his ass to get money, and can't catch on to seduction then is he a loser or just doing his best... Not lazy if he busted his ass; opinions vary.

How about the guy that talks good, but has nothing. Is he a loser...

Any man who tries to buy a woman's intimacy with material things is a loser, not an opinion, its a fact.

If you also do that, you are just another loser, who can't get women only with his words and game.

Everyone's money is green and yours is not different? Betas use money, Alphas run game.

 

[Solomon]

You all have noticed.. as soon as you focus and improve something in your life, women will come.
Now, it doesn't mean that you will actively date them, but you will notice it on a passive level.
Women you don't know, actually, sense that you have something.
The cool fact is, you're not doing this for them, but for You and your life

A man who is truly "Locked In" and decides to focus on his dreams and desires(not doing it to get more girls) is a man who is unleashing his inner power.
There have been periods in my life where I have been "Locked In" and people just pick up on the energy. I know it may sound weird to people but when you truly focused and isolate yourself from women, partying or any distractions doing so with focused discipline and high motivation. People can sense this. It permeates through your body language, your actions etc.

It's kind of similar to men who are in happy relationships with their wives or girlfriend. You know why women flirt with them? cause they can sense the man isn't desperate and thirsty, even if the woman isn't around them. This is why some married guys or guys with girlfriends get hit on. Women have a 6th sense, some say pheromones, some say it's a mans body language and confidence, etc. I think it's all of the above.

But back on topic if most men were truly locked in, even for 6 months minimum in their lives. It would do a lot for their personal growth. The reality is most men just don't have the discipline to do so because it takes massive effort to stay consistent and also hard work.

 

[Solomon]

inflation.... the formula is something like 5 to 10 times local average or is it mean. if the local average is 90k, then money game gets real at about 500k. but if the local is 9k(year), then money games starts at 45k. at 10x, its a strong play and stronger at 20x.

obviously if you have other value, the money can support at lower levels.

What you're saying is true to a point; however, 90% of men will never attain 500K a year, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't strive for it. But we have to be realistic. Here is the reality that most guys can't fathom cause they try to view women only through the men's lense. A girl will go out with a guy making 500K a year, requiring him to take her on a $500 dinner date to smash. While she'll smash a construction worker making only 50K a year and he didn't have to do a damn thing. I have seen this happen and experienced it myself to a degree.

Everyone's money is green and yours is not different? Betas use money, Alphas run game.

The whole money game argument truly exposes a lot of guys and they don't realize they're telling on themselves. I was getting women when I was broke at 24, making $35K a year. I was unemployed at 26 and had women buying me food and cleaning for me. I'm not even going to lie; they were busted it was a low point in my life(no excuses I had to do what I had to do ha ha)

At 28 I was making 40K a year, banging a hot blond Vice-principal who was making double the money then I was. I didn't reach the six-figure mark until I was 36. Granted, when I was broke, the women weren’t models (not saying I’m getting models now), but still. If you're relying solely on money to get women, Then you're doing it wrong!

Guys who are obsessed with "Money game" are usually the ones whose game isn’t that good or who have this naive fantasy that women will find them more attractive just because they’re rich now. There is an old saying a lame is lame, and lame with money can't unlame him. "SOME" guys I know who have money don’t use it to attract women per se—they use it to improve their lifestyle(better condo/house, car, clothes, etc), which, in some situations, can make them more attractive. However, without game, you’re still just seen as a trick or a provider by women. We know this is true because we have had guys who "Did the work" and still struggle with women, even after making more money.

I know some very successful guys in their mid-30s who make 6-7 figures a year(one of the guys actually used to bang a chick from the recent season of Love is Blind Season 8, I won't say who, to respect his privacy). Some of these guys I know are confident—not just because they’re successful, but because they put in the work: improving their game, style, confidence, physique etc. It takes consistency, discipline, and tireless ambition to get to this level. The truth is most men don't have that type of discipline. The difference between an average man and a great man is discipline, ambition and an unwavering belief. Once I leveled up I quickly learned, having money can improve your lifestyle, which gives you access to women you may not have had access to before. However, too many LMS guys focus on the rule instead of becoming the exception to the rule.

Let me explain further: a lot of men fail—they look at women in black and white, not understanding that women aren’t a formula that is one-size-fits-all. Some women value money, some women value looks, some women value intelligence, and some value all these things. Different women value different things, some women may value creativity, but this is never talked about on here. But there is a reason artsy guys/musicians pull a lot of tail.. Women are emotional creatures. The guy who can elicit various emotions in her will be far more successful—having her dripping with eagerness—while the trick who opens his wallet wonders why her box is dry.

I always talk about my 35-year-old nerdy acquaintance, average at best looking—he smokes weed, plays video games every day, and lives with his parents. Six months ago, when he was unemployed, he was spinning five plates. Now, he has a girlfriend. According to SoSuave, this shouldn’t be possible. But the man who truly doesn’t give a shyt, is indifferent, and has a million-dollar mouthpiece. A guy who is truly confident, has an unwavering abundance mindset will always be more attractive to women than the boring simp who’s looking to trick.
I’m not saying to be a loser(nor glorifying it)

Game is game.​

 

[darksprezzatura]

I used to play video games (still do sometimes). I enjoyed getting better and levelling up and beating new cool bosses. I don’t think I’d have that peace, if I was doing it to impress a girl.

Life is sort of like a game that way. There’s a lot to achieve and the rush of levelling up lasts longer than a new female conquest.

 

[MatureDJ]

What you're saying is true to a point; however, 90% of men will never attain 500K a year, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't strive for it. But we have to be realistic. Here is the reality that most guys can't fathom cause they try to view women only through the men's lense. A girl will go out with a guy making 500K a year, requiring him to take her on a $500 dinner date to smash. While she'll smash a construction worker making only 50K a year and he didn't have to do a damn thing. I have seen this happen and experienced it myself to a degree.

ChadConstructionWorker > $500KNormie

 

[plumber]

Any man who tries to buy a woman's intimacy with material things is a loser, not an opinion, its a fact.

If you also do that, you are just another loser, who can't get women only with his words and game.

Everyone's money is green and yours is not different? Betas use money, Alphas run game.

i like that in theory. step back a few yards. not everyone has your charisma and or physical. they use what they have and can learn or learn to do. much better than giving up.

a guy with only words and game and nothing concreate to back that up is a loser. imo.

personally i don't play pure money game. I could... but not my way. as a result i mix with and see plenty that do, they are better of than the ones that give up or that only have game and mouth.

maybe i am missing your point...

 

[plumber]

What you're saying is true to a point; however, 90% of men will never attain 500K a year, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't strive for it. But we have to be realistic. Here is the reality that most guys can't fathom cause they try to view women only through the men's lense. A girl will go out with a guy making 500K a year, requiring him to take her on a $500 dinner date to smash. While she'll smash a construction worker making only 50K a year and he didn't have to do a damn thing. I have seen this happen and experienced it myself to a degree.

Game is game.

yea. I completely get the RP and the parts that can be modified to get even better. been on both sides of most of the topics.

for perspective I opened a thread some time ago about Jim Clark. Immediately several members called him a simp and beta bucks, bla bla bla bla... Reality is the dude lives large and anything but a loser.

we do what we can and we do more of what we are good at. most men in the upper money can not compete with the guys in the gym or in the construction job as it relates to physical fitness and testosterone. exceptions exist, but for the most part its that way. in the same sense, some can not compete in words and or style. i have seen plenty that try and pay others to teach them and still can not do it. lots of effort, not lazy, not a loser. much of it is genetic. i personally know people under 20 years old that grow up almost identically but with different genetics, very different style/words/game.

sure; get educated including RP, common sense and credentials. your not a loser if you excel at something and use that.

probably not really a thing though, usually men in the upper money figure out how to surround themselves in ways that work for them.

women will branch from any guy to another guy regardless. there is always some reason...

the loser is the woman that passes up the easy life....

 

[jhonny9546]

That's because most guys level up for women and not for themselves which is a huge mistake and won't get the overall life result they want.

Statements and assumptions you make, doesn't always mirror current reality.
In my case I improved for myself, but then they came.
So it's the same POV you describe, but in reverse.
@CornbreadFed

 

[Mike32ct]

There is no guarantee that women will notice the improvement or care about the improvement.

It really depends. Some improvements are really obvious to others. Others are not noticeable or at least not noticeable enough to move the needle.

Other improvements are noticeable but it’s not in an area she cares about.

 

[jhonny9546]

There is no guarantee that women will notice the improvement or care about the improvement.

This counter-states that if there are women who will do it it is because its

an area she cares about.

 

[nismo-4]

It is possible with a substantial improvement in looks.

It takes a lot of money to change that. Many men won't make enough money even after pay raises/promotions to have it make a difference. I've seen examples of men earning six figures who didn't see any improvement with women. Low six figures hasn't cut it in a while.

If you have those kinds of funds, just buy aesthetics and IG clout.

A lot of money now would mean at least 3 million dollars.

 

[nismo-4]

ChadConstructionWorker > $500KNormie

The $500k Normie can shell out some of that loot and just buy aesthetics that make him a Chad. If he doesn't, he's either to be exploited or invisible. Hope he buys himself a poppin' IG with a Blue Check.