article: Why Are Women So Negative About the "Pickup Artist" Community?

[nismo-4]

Order in the court!

When I first learned about it, I was mostly just intrigued. I ended up learning a bunch about it. I read The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists (which I still think is a really interesting book) and ended up meeting a lot of people who were in the pick-up artist community (not a goal—it just happened).

I even ended up helping out with one of their weekend seminars, to be a "female test dummy," essentially. Far from the stereotype of sleazy guys who want one-night stands, 24 of the 25 guys in the class were just awkward, nerdy guys who just wanted a girlfriend (the 25th wanted to bring home a girl for a threesome with his girlfriend). But that's not the instruction of these classes. The classes are about getting laid, not getting a girlfriend.

These 25 nerds are gonna really drive up the price of love, sex, and companionship.

This was my first big hint that something was wrong.
There was a mismatch. They were taking guys who wanted girlfriends and teaching them how to pick up girls in bars. How many relationships do you know of that started in bars? Do you know any? If you want a girlfriend, go sign up for an online dating site. Start dating! Statistically speaking, bars don't work.

Says the woman. Relationships can start anywhere these days.

And then there was the instruction itself.
The problem is that what works for one person doesn't work for everyone—not all guys, and not on all girls.

The better your body and bank account looks, the better chance you have of these tactics working.

They were telling guys things like:

Touch a girl when she talks to you.
Criticize a girl (sorry, I mean "neg").
When a girl seems uninterested, she's just playing games.

No, she's trying to let you off easy. She's not f**kin' interested.

Don't talk about "real" topics, like education and your job. They're too "boring."

Only if it's not giving you a lucrative opportunity.

No woman is out of your league.

This is a problem. I've never seen a ugly fatso guy land a Sofia Vergara lookalike. I'm wrong, it's happened, but mainly because he's got a Learjet and a Maserati. $$$$$ All about the benjamins! This PUA stuff gave the ugliest guys some courage and "balls" to go bother the most beautiful women.

The problem here is that touching can be flirty, but it can also be really creepy when the touching isn't natural. And when you're telling an awkward, nerdy guy who has no idea how to flirt "OK, now, touch a girl here," it's almost always creepy. (Personally, I don't like random guys at bars touching me. It makes me really uncomfortable.)

Touching is only creepy when the guy is unattractive.

And then you're telling the guy to criticize the girl, which is just plain mean.

And then, when the girl isn't interested, the guy is now being told, "Oh, she's just trying to play games with you." He doesn't back off. Eww.

Women don't play games with men they have desire for.

And all of this is ridiculous because sometimes, the girl is out of your league or at least just isn't interested. I'm 5-foot-9, and I'm just not going to go home with a guy who is 5-foot-3, goes by the nickname "Snake" (seriously?!?), and is overweight, and pimply, and won't just answer a direct question about what he does for a living.

A woman will date such a man if his occupation is a Surgeon! Or if he's 6' 3"!

But he keeps pursuing because, well, "I'm just playing games with him." I'm trying to see if he passes some test, apparently.

There's no test. Only interested and Not interested.

These are the sort of repeated interactions I had with guys in the PUA community, and why I got turned against it. Once upon a time, this guy might have been a perfectly normal but nerdy guy, who could have dated online, met someone nice, got married, and been perfectly happy.

Bullsh*t. You ain't gonna find this kind of woman online. There is no such thing as true love in real life. Only False love and extortion. True love only exists in movies and fairy tales. FICTION. Truth is stranger than fiction isn't it?

PUA instruction turns awkward, nerdy guys who just want a girlfriend into creepy guys who harass and insult women. And that's not OK!

It turns up profits for the authors, and gives women that much more power in the dating game.

PUA instruction teaches guys these mechanical ways of interacting with women that don't really work and fails to recognize that every woman is different. Some women just won't go home with you. Sorry. Maybe she's out of your league. Or maybe she's just not interested in you. Or maybe she just doesn't go home with random dudes from bars.

Regardless, women will always do the choosing. And it don't help there's a lot more of it for them to do.

The words coming out of a woman's mouth? It's not all a game. You can have actual conversations with us. When I say "What do you do for a living?" it's because I actually care.

Yeah, about your bank account!

Because I'm looking for someone to build a relationship with, and someone with no career goals is not a good match for me. Answer the question.

Conversation is not all a giant game. When I'm not interested, it's because I'm not interested. Not because I'm putting some sort of girl test in front of you.

Yep, it's all about whether or not she's interested.

So that's why I'm against it. Because, beyond just giving men the courage to approach women, the instruction is harmful to the guys.

The only male things with significant social value is his bank and body.

Some of my friends who were involved in the community got out of it OK, but they were probably more normally adjusted to start with. Another friend, well, he got his taste of one night stands and "can't understand the point of girlfriend." And other guys I've met are so uncomfortable to be around that, well, we never really became friends.

Men and women can't really be friends. The man's gonna want sex sometime. Any sane man knows that the friendzone is 0% penetration, 100% frustration.

I'll tell you why. It's simple. Women are always gunning for the top 10% guys.

The PUA movement has made authors money by rehashing material from the past, gave men in the bottom 90% a sense of "hope", and a free pass to bother women out of their league. These guides tell you you need to be confident and use other tactics and change your personality. But in real life, I might as well tell the truth being it is 2012, and women are far shallower than ever. You've got 5's thinking they're 10's because of facebook and other forms of male attention.

Your game, tactics, personality, confidence, ambition, Savoir Faire, charm, swagger, vibe, etc. will not make you any more physically or financially attractive. If it did, we'd all be desirable males!

Yes I said it. I've been told I have a wonderful personality, but that and my swag that came with it didn't make me look like or be a muscular millionaire.

What women look at is your looks and what you can do for them NOW. Women don't know what a "future millionaire/ future hunk" looks like. If you're working on it, cool, but what do you think will happen when a NBA star makes a move on that girl? Yep, women want a working man who MADE IT, not someone TRYING TO GET THERE. Since women get so much attention on a daily basis, and this PUA movement is not helping the cause at all, the price of a woman has gone up drastically.

The situation ain't getting any better either. More and more guys are getting this material and using it, which is making game have a much lesser effect. In about 2022, the game is gonna be so rigged and bad for men it's unreal.

At the end of the day, we can chase, choose, make moves approach, and all that sh*t, but it's the woman who has the final say in how far you'll get with her. Male choice is rarely ever enforced. Female choice is always instead enforced.

 

[Burroughs]

women can't tell you how to get them...thats like a deer telling you how to hunt them ...

if anything you'd be better off doing the opposite of what a woman says..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_dFPC5FKuE&feature=relmfu

go to minute 3:30....that is when the action starts

too many men on this board listening to this cvnts elitism disguised as as intellectual discourse and not seeing the truth of it...women keep the kingdom of lying and subterfuge to themselves...when men start learning the ways of this kingdom women get nervous...then angry..then rabid

never forget most women believe that only a few men should be allowed to reproduce..that is why men had to resort to rape.

historically :yes:

 

[FairShake]

If you meet your GIRLFRIEND or WIFE at the bar you get what you deserve! Nobody makes long term choices drunk. Just short term mistakes. Fun mistakes but mistakes nonetheless. Don't make those mistakes long term.

Now, women don't like PUAs because it 1.) has led to a giant increase in creepy dudes and 2.) decodes their secrets.

 

[Jitterbug]

There are two kinds of girls who deny that PUA works:

1. The ignorant girl who had no idea that she was charmed into bed by PUAs, because she thought PUA is all about cheesy negs.

2. The ugly / fat girl who had never been approached by a PUA.

Both types might have been approached by a newbie doing PUA boot camps as practice, but he isn't a PUA "graduate", so that doesn't count.

 

[Down Low]

Socially adept men catch subtle clues. Socially inept boys don't. Such as the author naming herself "gay lack man." She sounds like a middle aged hag whose progesterone level is way out of balance with her faltering estrogen production. Thing is, it takes many days to write and then edit. The author was in heat on some of these days, and not in heat the rest of the time. So the piece will be mostly man hating, with torn rags of girlish hope for a rich, handsome prince evidenced here and there.

 

[betheman]

go to minute 3:30....that is when the action starts

thanks, my f cking ears are bleeding now

 

[mrRuckus]

A woman flapping her gums. That's new.