Article: Is Everyone on Steroids?

[jaymbrs]

Natty here. Frankly I've been afraid of taking anything, though it's crossed my minds many times. Seeing a guy I went to high school with all ripped from the winstrol he was using made me really consider it. But ultimately I've heard and seen more negatives than positives. One guy grew tits TWICE and had to have them surgically removed. No thanks.

Been working out for almost 20 years. I've sustained injuries here and there and have had to modify many of my workouts but I'm still a big dude. Just need to consume a lot of protein, consistently lift heavy and listen to your body. Also have good genes.

 

[jaymbrs]

Are you also afraid of giving yourself alcohol poisoning because someone else did? What about getting obese, because someone else did? Just because they were careless and ignorant to what they were doing doesn't mean you'll have the same outcomes. Obviously that guy didn't get any bloodwork done, he didn't know how to control his estrogen, he was ignorant to the signs, because, how can you not change your protocol when you feel tissue growing? Let alone allowing it to become huge...

Horribly stupid analogies.
This guy was a competitive bodybuilder. But you sound like such a smart guy. I'm sure you've never made mistakes or errors.

I guess I should add that I don't use because I don't have to. I outsize and outlift many users.

 

[itouchyou]

The horrors stories you hear are from people who don't do it smart. It is a risk of course, but for example starting a low dose of Test like 300mg per week, so you can start to discover how your body react, you compliment that with blood works every 2 months, and then you start to see the effects on your body.

Dumb people start for example their 1st cyle with Tren only or with Winstrol only, those are the worst, to run them alone without a test base is a disaster. Not advocating for it, but a lot of people do it the wrong way and with extremes amount.

Example, my 3rd cycle I started with Tren and Test, Tren 100mg to start to see how my body reacted, bumped up in 2 weeks at 150mg, I was getting lethargic, I didn't like the feeling, not roid rage, no depression, no nothing, but I didn't like the feeling, so I stopped it and went to get blood work to see why I feel this way. If my estrogen is in check then is the compound. I'll switch to another one that makes feel good like Nandralone.

@DonJuanjr has a lot of credit in what he writes, its typically like that. Get in More Plates More Dates and you'll hear the stories and how those happen.

At what test level do people start taking doses of test?

I tested myself recently, 1012ng/dl @ 35 years old

 

[itouchyou]

Assuming you're not lying, that is super high level for that age, you're maybe a 0.001% of the population. Free test is the one that matters the most. Last year I started with the Doc, mine was at 380 and free was at 8. Its a combo of numbers and symptoms

Not lying. I will say that I waited 7 days without ejaculating as that spikes testosterone a considerable amount, supposedly. Last year I tested after ejaculating 4x the day before (pretty bad) and it was 717ng/dl.

I also consistently supplement with zinc, b-12, fish oil, vitamin d, and vitamin k.. not sure if that's at all relevant.

I've been consistently lifting since I was 19 and following a healthy diet. Still look and feel like I'm in college.

 

[corsica]

I’ve been doing cycles for +20y. My first was Winstrol. My body was so ripped, girls would catcall when I was running shirtless on the beach. I never used much to be noticeably big like a bodybuilder. But when an opportunity to take my shirt off, It was clear girls would pay attention. It was a nice surprise.

Winstrol (Stanozolol) will get impressive results but will make you bald. And It’s heavy on your liver so I regret taking it.

These days I just stick to a normal dose of good old testosterone. It helps me build muscle and burn fat. I might start TRT later this year.

Those gym rats take an outrageous amount of gear to look like that.

 

[corsica]

I'm thinking of my adding winstrol to my next cycle, I always take liver support.

If you don’t mind decimating your hair follicles…

I don’t recommend people to use it. I don’t think it’s good long-term due to the high toxicity to the liver. You can get good results by using regular testosterone.

 

[corsica]

Even if I don't have the male baldness pattern gene in my family?

It’ll thin out. A friend of mine had Oxandrolone (also DHT) and he started receding.

Stick to testosterone. You’ll get 90% of the results without the same side-effects.
stay away from Deca also. Retain too much liquid. Gym rats love it because you get bigger but I despise the results.

Don’t over complicate and don’t over do.

 

[2rings]

Where are you buying testosterone?
It is in a vial and you inject it?
You need to visit a specialist for a prescription?
Are there multiple brands available?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Where are you buying testosterone?
It is in a vial and you inject it?
You need to visit a specialist for a prescription?
Are there multiple brands available?

Usually done via vials or pellets that are implanted in hip fat now.

Can go thru a doctor, can also find sources online that may or may not be legal where you live.

Yes, there are multiple brands available.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

if I may be so bold, get your hands on some Letro 1.25mg EOD. Do that for like a week, it’ll knock you into single digits. When your joints start creaking knock it down .25 till you find a good spot.

Update on this:

Aromasin doesn't work for my nipple soreness, I was taking 25mg ED, even though it kept my E2 around 20pg/dL, on paper is fine, but the nipple soreness and glands inflammation was not fun.

Now, I took 0.5mg E2 days of Adex, holy $hit, nipple soreness and glands inflammation are barely noticeable. Adex definitely works better for me. @DonJuanjr have you had that before with Asin vs Adex?

 

[2rings]

I have not used any steroids and try my best to be all natural with diet and medicine.
I’m 25 pounds overweight in the mid section and once that trims down to a flat stomach I am good.

but recently i began reading about testosterone so it is not out of the question in the future.

just reading some of the replies here “the gear” is probably not my cup of tea.
I do not think i would gear up with the purpose to meet or attract women but i am sure it works

i am sure being jacked up on testosterone levels attracts females. It likely damages the overall dating environment because women encounter guys who have abnormally high levels of T and then when then meet a balanced guy who does not take T the woman is not as excited by natural hormone levels

so it seems like a cheat to take T but who knows

i try not to overstimulate myself with everything out there today

 

[HaleyBaron]

I always look at steroids as enhancers. They do give men a competitive advantage in looks. Currently, I have a good muscled v taper going on yet I'll never be as really filled out as the guy on gear. I have low fat and a good form, but I know it can be better if I took something. I just refuse to cause of the side effects which I am not sure is worth my time. It does suck that in order to compete in the superman look [not bodybuilder, but a good lean look], I will have to take some kind of gear.

 

[HaleyBaron]

There's many different types of compounds. All of which have their own side effects attached. Whether you experience them or not all depends on your dna and biology. You won't know till you go through them. Everyone on gear is their own experiment.

I may try it or I might stay natural. I'll like to see where my body goes in one more year and if it does not look like I am developing how I want, I might give it a go.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Dial in your nutrition - it will get you farther than any amount of steroids.

Everyone likes to give steroids all the credit, but all the dudes taking tons of steroids (and looking great) also have their diets dialed in. Do this first.

Protein: 1g/lb BW minimum, 1.5g/lb BW max (unless enhanced, then bump to 2.0g/lb)
Fats: 0.3g/lb BW not more or less (can lower if enhanced)
Carbs: to fill to caloric goal

This is currently my diet. I eat ice cream as a treat now and again, but it is not like I am getting fat either. Though I am thinking cutting it out to keep as lean as possible. I am already skinny enough as is at 185 lb/ 6'3". I do like my current look but I wonder if I increased my weight lifts to achieve just a bit more. I am not trying to become big.

 

[HaleyBaron]

I've been for the past 1.5 years, due to having low Test level at 32, started with TRT, then went cruise and blast. Nutrition is very important as you say.

In the picture below that's the difference of 1.5 years. Pretty happy with the results, mainly Test and NPP.


Roids if used responsably can do wonders to you, with minimal side effects, the hardest part is to keep estrogen in check, not to crash it or have it too high.

Not to demean your progress but Im well underway to the picture on the right. I do thank good genetics. That is why Im am delaying my decision until I see what next year looks like. Though I will say it took me six years to get this body to begin with.

 

[HaleyBaron]

I don't understand.
- You're too skinny (or "skinny enough")
- You want to put on more muscle
- But you don't want to get 'big'

You won't ever find yourself upset with an extra pound of lean body mass, I promise.

How do you train?

Starting Strength transitioned into Texas Method.

 

[HaleyBaron]

And you've been doing this for 6 years..? Regardless, you need to move up to something more serious - this is beginner stuff.

I held back on serious stuff due to time and being content with where I was. Muscle building like isolations is a daytime job and I have many things that I am devoting my time to atm.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Is 3-4x a week for an hour at a time too much for you? This is enough for most good/great hypertrophy templates.

That's my schedule already. If you want, you can give me a few places to start to advance my routines if it's keeping to an hour. The problem I found with weightlifting and conditioning is that there is never any set in stone routines like SS or TM was. That is why I liked them more.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I think that you know nothing of steroids or how they improve performance, so I think you're fundamentally incapable of spotting the signs of someone who is on the sauce.

A much better metric would be getting a keen eye for FFMI and paying attention to back acne.

I used to laugh because these dudes who were obviously on roids based on similar observations I made were still only lifting like 60-70% of what I was...

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Lol as far as I remember you are taking steroids as well or did take them

I am on TRT but that simply puts my numbers in mid-normal for T.

I tried running a cycle of T and Anavar one time and had to quit about 5 weeks in because my blood pressure was thru the roof and that was with me running every support I could find to help with sides.

Tried microdosing Tren with the TRT once and literally thought I was going to have a stroke after the 2nd dose with my BP at 195/110...

Unfortunately my body just can't handle them.

That was my last attempt about 4-5 years ago. Have been TRT only since.