article: How porn is affecting the libido of the American male

[Falcon25]

So if I became a Super Alpha, fvcked a different woman every night, then I would then become less masculine due to the fact I am cumming every night? Whats the difference in the end wether you are fvcking or jackingoff? The end result is the same...you shoot your mustard.

All the stuff about about masturbation making you less agressive etc etc has been the opposite for me. The more I jack it the more aggressive I seem to become.

Work that one out.

Are you sure you're 40yrs old? Are you comparing actual sexual intercourse with masturbation? That's like comparing night and day. The mind releases chemicals during actual sexual acts that are healthy for you. While masturbating, you are using your mind and energy on something THAT IS NOT REAL. Is this a ****ving Joke? Is this forum this ignorant? Of course every human being is going to have a different reaction, but to say that masturbation and actual sex is cumming and that's it? Wow, just wow.
Actual sexual act (swiping fluids with a woman's vagina) probably raises testestorone. I am no doctor, but I know that saying both are the same thing is beyond ludicrous.

 

[Boilermaker]

Are you sure you're 40yrs old? Are you comparing actual sexual intercourse with masturbation? That's like comparing night and day. The mind releases chemicals during actual sexual acts that are healthy for you. While masturbating, you are using your mind and energy on something THAT IS NOT REAL. Is this a ****ving Joke? Is this forum this ignorant? Of course every human being is going to have a different reaction, but to say that masturbation and actual sex is cumming and that's it? Wow, just wow.
Actual sexual act (swiping fluids with a woman's vagina) probably raises testestorone. I am no doctor, but I know that saying both are the same thing is beyond ludicrous.

Nobody says they are the same thing; but you should come to terms with the fact that ejaculation by masturbation or sexual intercourse in males triggers PHYSIOLOGICALLY very similar reactions, and therefore are reasonably comparable in the sense that others attempted here. The psychological boost of actually fvcking a woman for men who are not used to real sex might play a transient role in making a clear distinction between the two - but if you compare John Doe banging his wife for the zillionth time in their 20 or so years of marriage with the Emo kid next door masturbating to death - you will observe that what goes on in their heads ( dopamine releases, pleasure center stimulation through nucleus accumbens and so forth) will look remarkably similar. Especially during orgasm, the brain has no way of telling whether you are really in the sack; or in a fantasy world leading a Victoria's Secret orgy. And there lies the power of masturbation.



PS: Having real sex or masturbating have no direct effect on testosterone levels as far as I know.

 

[Strelok]

To those that say that there are no difference regarding the conseguences of having sex and masturbating both in brain and hormones:

Do you think a tiger in a cage that get fed everyday at 3pm from the guardian with no effort is going to grow and behave like a tiger that has to hunt every day and eat only after struggling?
Sorry guys but I would bet on the wild ones to be more aggressive and tolerant to risk and stress.

 

[Iceberg]

To those that say that there are no difference regarding the conseguences of having sex and masturbating both in brain and hormones:

Do you think a tiger in a cage that get fed everyday at 3pm from the guardian with no effort is going to grow and behave like a tiger that has to hunt every day and eat only after struggling?
Sorry guys but I would bet on the wild ones to be more aggressive and tolerant to risk and stress.

Having a steady girlfriend also eliminates the "hunt" and "struggle". Is that not allowed either?

 

[squirrels]

Having a steady girlfriend also eliminates the "hunt" and "struggle". Is that not allowed either?

Does it?

I think that's the point...the modern woman has a bad habit of continuing the "hunt" and "struggle" throughout the relationship as a way of manipulating men, so porn, by giving men an "outlet", eliminates the power women have over men via sex.

So does "cheating", and many women view "cheating" and porn as similarly unacceptable.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

The sad truth is that porn has probably saved / prolonged more marriages than it's ever destroyed.

 

[Iceberg]

Does it?

I think that's the point...the modern woman has a bad habit of continuing the "hunt" and "struggle" throughout the relationship as a way of manipulating men, so porn, by giving men an "outlet", eliminates the power women have over men via sex.

So does "cheating", and many women view "cheating" and porn as similarly unacceptable.

Maybe in some relationships. In the "serious" relationships I've gotten in, I've never experienced sexual manipulation. Even when I was young and foolish, I'm pretty sure my girls knew that if they were banging me, someone would be.

My main point is that porn, and/or masturbation is nothing new to society. It's not going to cause the breakdown of men or countries. F**kin chimps jerk off, ya know...

So, if I'm reading you correctly, I think we agree that porn isn't destroying men's lives. I disagree with the guys who think that it's corrupting our souls and stealing our manhood. It sounds like the stuff people were saying about rock n' roll 60 years ago. Unless jerking off is a dominant part of your day, I don't see the threat to your social/sexual life.

 

[frivolousz21]

Porn has taught me how to have sex well after watching thousands of vids over the years..it has helped a lot.

If a man is not getting enough women it is because he chooses not to.

I guess porn could interfere.

 

[frivolousz21]

Does it?

I think that's the point...the modern woman has a bad habit of continuing the "hunt" and "struggle" throughout the relationship as a way of manipulating men, so porn, by giving men an "outlet", eliminates the power women have over men via sex.

So does "cheating", and many women view "cheating" and porn as similarly unacceptable.

Or not being a big ***** would also be the point.
A women's hunt will end when you give it to her like no one has before and you stimulate her mind like no one has.

if she is still making you chase her you do what you want and she will crumble at your feet.

If you chase her you will be her *****.

 

[Strelok]

Having a steady girlfriend also eliminates the "hunt" and "struggle". Is that not allowed either?

Having a girlfriend first of all force you to take charge and action at that for sure is not a bad thing for a man,you probably realised in your experience that when you have to face something you feel more sharp and motivated compared than when you have nothing to do.

Point is having a girl,a gf or even look for it are part of nature's will and tie it to our instincts,while our instincts are able to alterate our chemistry.
Men who work at home and do housejob are more likely to get strokes,probably because as males we're not made for that and suffer for pissing off our nature.

I cannot show any evidence but you guys in the anglo world probably know a place where is possible to find studies on the field in english.

The point is,we're fine as long as we don't screw up mother nature and porn is like drugs,it just artificially stimulate certain brain circuits that are supposed to be the last step of a path.

 

[Mantis Toboggan]

Having a girlfriend first of all force you to take charge and action at that for sure is not a bad thing for a man,you probably realised in your experience that when you have to face something you feel more sharp and motivated compared than when you have nothing to do.

Point is having a girl,a gf or even look for it are part of nature's will and tie it to our instincts,while our instincts are able to alterate our chemistry.
Men who work at home and do housejob are more likely to get strokes,probably because as males we're not made for that and suffer for pissing off our nature.

I cannot show any evidence but you guys in the anglo world probably know a place where is possible to find studies on the field in english.

The point is,we're fine as long as we don't screw up mother nature and porn is like drugs,it just artificially stimulate certain brain circuits that are supposed to be the last step of a path.

Wait. Do you seriously think that the Internet Age is when mankind first discovered that he could wack himself off? If you think porn and masturbation is screwing up Mother Nature, then humans would have jerked themselves off to death centuries ago.

You think that if there were no internet porn, these guys would be out getting laid? There would still be the fat, ugly, and awkward guys who simply can't get laid. They'd just be home spanking it to imaginary fantasies instead of pornstars. Technology didn't turn men into masturbators. Men were already masturbators, and now technology gave them a more convenient vehicle to get it.

 

[Strelok]

Wait. Do you seriously think that the Internet Age is when mankind first discovered that he could wack himself off? If you think porn and masturbation is screwing up Mother Nature, then humans would have jerked themselves off to death centuries ago.

You think that if there were no internet porn, these guys would be out getting laid? There would still be the fat, ugly, and awkward guys who simply can't get laid. They'd just be home spanking it to imaginary fantasies instead of pornstars. Technology didn't turn men into masturbators. Men were already masturbators, and now technology gave them a more convenient vehicle to get it.

Do you think a the average internet nerd would masturbate everyday if not bored in front of a computer with easy access to porn?
In my opinion is not :
1)guy is horny---> look for porn---->masturbate but probably is:
2)guy is surfing internet---->bored or frustrated---->look for porn---->masturbate to release stress or feel pleasure.

I bet whatever you want that chronical masturbators would be less if there was no easy porn.
Do you think we would have all this fat people if there was no easy junk food availabe? people get fat cause they have easy food just like masturbator are masturbators cause they have easy arousal(porn).
The fattie and the masturbators are both abusing of the reward circuit of the brain,the one that gives you pleasure when you do something that satisfy nature's will.

Nature wants you to eat in order to survive that's why in order to make you work it makes you feel better once u get the reward from that action(food).
Same with orgasm,nature wants you to reproduce but since the hunt and the chasing could be unpleasable,in order to make you do that anyway it gives you the orgams as very pleasable so you will ignore other discomforts.

What the fatties and the masturbators do is just cheat on that and get a reward for doing nothing,just like people on welfare.
Do you think that if there was no welfare and work was necessary that people would be still at home doing nothing?

 

[Mantis Toboggan]

Do you think a the average internet nerd would masturbate everyday if not bored in front of a computer with easy access to porn?
In my opinion is not :
1)guy is horny---> look for porn---->masturbate but probably is:
2)guy is surfing internet---->bored or frustrated---->look for porn---->masturbate to release stress or feel pleasure.

Yes! I absolutely think that the average nerd would masturbate whether or not he was connected to the internet.

The internet is not the source of people wacking off. It's a vehicle for it. The internet has only been around for like 15 years. What do you think dudes were doing in 1985? Not masturbating? Going out on the town, banging beauty queens and building empires because they were free from the devil of internet porn?

No. They were spanking off to magazines. Before magazines, they were spanking off to paintings, and before that, they had to use their imaginations.

I bet whatever you want that chronical masturbators would be less if there was no easy porn.

Why? When I was 14, I was too young to buy porn. And it was right before the internet gave people access to porn.

You make it sound like the Internet made people realize "Hey, I can get myself off." Getting porn wasn't always this easy. But jerking off was as easy as going somewhere private for 2 minutes. The internet isn't making people more sexual. People were already sexual and internet gave people a new resource to see sexual things.

Do you think we would have all this fat people if there was no easy junk food availabe? people get fat cause they have easy food just like masturbator are masturbators cause they have easy arousal(porn).

Easy access to junk food causes fatness. Easy access to porn causes nothing. Because if you were horny, you were going to jerk off anyway. The internet didn't put that idea in your head. Nature did.

You make it sound like if these dudes weren't jerking off, they'd be out dating models. Having orgies and sh*t.

 

[Strelok]

Yes! I absolutely think that the average nerd would masturbate whether or not he was connected to the internet.

The internet is not the source of people wacking off. It's a vehicle for it. The internet has only been around for like 15 years. What do you think dudes were doing in 1985? Not masturbating? Going out on the town, banging beauty queens and building empires because they were free from the devil of internet porn?

No. They were spanking off to magazines. Before magazines, they were spanking off to paintings, and before that, they had to use their imaginations.




Why? When I was 14, I was too young to buy porn. And it was right before the internet gave people access to porn.

You make it sound like the Internet made people realize "Hey, I can get myself off." Getting porn wasn't always this easy. But jerking off was as easy as going somewhere private for 2 minutes. The internet isn't making people more sexual. People were already sexual and internet gave people a new resource to see sexual things.



Easy access to junk food causes fatness. Easy access to porn causes nothing. Because if you were horny, you were going to jerk off anyway. The internet didn't put that idea in your head. Nature did.

You make it sound like if these dudes weren't jerking off, they'd be out dating models. Having orgies and sh*t.

I sincerly fail to see where I said that if there was no internet,the nerds would turn into stud having orgies with playmates or have a great sexual life.
What I'm saying is that it's not the hornyness that leads to visiting porn sites but is that visiting porn sites(while bored for example) that create arousal and lead to over natural masturbation.
The internet masturbators does not wank because or their hornyness but most of the time because of boredom or stress,but if they had no easy access to "stimulating" material most of the time they would let it go.
Not saying men were not masturbating in past,but the reasons and the modality were different.
Hope I made myself clear this time.

 

[Zarky]

The internet masturbators does not wank because or their hornyness but most of the time because of boredom or stress,but if they had no easy access to "stimulating" material most of the time they would let it go.
Not saying men were not masturbating in past,but the reasons and the modality were different.

Based on personal experience I'd fully agree with this. I was doing a study-abroad years ago where I was in Europe for a month. I didn't have access to the 'net except in class and obviously I wasn't going to d/l porno while in class.

So, when I got horny, as I eventually did, I'd have to get off to fantasies in my head rather than pics. I'd have to say that it wasn't nearly the same and didn't "satisfy" me the same way that watching hot girls get boned does.

I can only imagine what levels of erotic stimulation that new technologies will enable in the coming decades. VR porn?

 

[Colossus]

Alright I feel as a med guy I should contribute:

A quick Google Scholar search did not turn up anything regarding physiological differences between sex and masturbation, although I would bet money they exist. I did however find this study on sexual abstinence, masturbation, and testosterone levels. Looks like Falcon was right about holding off.

http://www.hawaii.edu/hivandaids/En..._Men_Following_a_3-Week_Sexual_Abstinence.pdf

Abstract
This current study examined the effect of a 3-week period of sexual abstinence on the neuroendocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm. Hormonal and cardiovascular parameters were examined in ten healthy adult men during sexual arousal and masturbation-induced orgasm. Blood was drawn continuously and cardiovascular parameters were constantly monitored. This procedure was conducted for each participant twice, both before and after a 3-week period of sexual abstinence. Plasma was subsequently analysed for concentrations of adrenaline, noradrenaline, cortisol, prolactin, luteinizing hormone and testosterone concentrations. Orgasm increased blood pressure, heart rate, plasma catecholamines and prolactin. These effects were observed both before and after sexual abstinence. In contrast, although plasma testosterone was unaltered by orgasm, higher testosterone concentrations were observed following the period of abstinence. These data demonstrate that acute abstinence does not change the neuroendocrine response to orgasm but does produce elevated levels of testosterone in males.

We could therefore make the rational conclusion that, if acute abstinence RAISES plasma testosterone, frequent masturbation would LOWER it relative to abstinence or infrequent masturbation. Whether or not sex has the same effect is unclear, although anecdotally I would say sex with a woman RAISES plasma test levels. Just my opinion though.

 

[Jitterbug]

I know nothing about the med side of it, but channeling sexual energy into productive pursuits is one of the core wisdoms of manhood, in many major cultures around the world since ancient times. Excessive fapping is just as bad as wasting too much time chasing skirts or even having too much sex (in case you were royalty, aristocrat or commander of an army). Ancient wise men warned against all of them.

Look up "sexual transmutation".

 

[Zarky]

Freud called it "sublimation." Of course when you're not getting off you get horny. One of the risks of that, however, is coming off to women that you're not getting laid. This is basic stuff--hungry dogs don't get fed.

That's why it's often suggested that younger guys rub one out before a date, so they don't come off like they haven't gotten poon since high school. Of course when you're 35 or whatever you don't have to do that because you're not a raging ball of hormones, but the principle is there.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

I wish I had sources to site for this, but I can remember reading case studies on the bio-chemical effect of human sexual interaction doing grad work in college. I believe they were done by Dr. Martie Hasselton, but they outlined the endorphin and hormonal profiles present in healthy adults bloodstream's while in various phases of attraction, arousal, pre-sex and post-sex interaction between couples. The most dramatic one to look up is the similarities in the chemical properties of dopamine and heroin for people experiencing "love" or "infatuation" depending on who's doing the study.

Even more fascinating is the effects hormones play on portions of men's brains when assessing sexual cues in a potential sex partner. Healthy testosterone literally causes men to perceive women as sexual objects; stimulating the same portions of our brains used for cognitive problem solving. However, testosterone is mitigated by oxytocin, the hormone secreted just post orgasm. While testosterone is responsible for sex drive and aggressive impulses (not to mention muscular development, deepening of voice and hair growth), oxytocin is linked to feelings of nurturing, trust, and comfort. Oxytocin is believed to be a primary influence in post-sex, and post pregnancy, emotional attachment in women who produce the hormone in much higher amounts than men. The effect of post-orgasm oxytocin in men is similar to women, however in men it is also serves as a buffering agent to heightened dopamine and testosterone levels.

In addition to all of this, there's the role that pheromones play in regard to sexual attraction and arousal. You can google these, but there are several pheromonal studies that indicate that men with differing scents from those of women tend to attract opposite scents in women. From an evolutionary perspective the conclusion drawn is one that people of the same genus or phenotype (i.e. blood related family members) will be less aroused sexually by persons of the their own phenotype, thus ensuring biodiversity (nature's prevention plan against inbreeding). However in the same "sweaty t-shirt" studies, the perspiration of men with higher testosterone levels were deemed more sexually viable or arousing by women than men with lower T levels.

You can attribute whatever legitimacy you want to studies like this, but the evidence points to higher testosterone levels as playing an influential part in sexual attraction. Also bear in mind that pheromones influence women living in close proximity to each other to synchronize their menstrual cycles - another evolutionary mechanism to ensure fertility and communal support for social animals.

From a bio-mechanical perspective, the indication is that men who consistently masturbate are pheromonal betas - and women's bio-chemistry registers this for them. Higher testosterone males manifest their sexual viability in both sexual assertiveness and scent. If you are chronically depleted of testosterone, and/or subjected to the calming effects of oxytocin your sexual viability is at a disadvantage. In fact, from an evolutionary standpoint, the beta males of our feral hunter-gatherer beginnings would be more prone to masturbation as a sexual release since, theoretically, they would've had less access to breeding opportunities than Alpha males. It would then follow that definitive, subconscious behavioral and chemical indicators would evolve to aid females in selecting the best mate for parental investment.

So, for as much as guys would like to have you believe that snapping one out before a date will improve your chances of ƒucking the girl, odds are you're shooting yourself in the foot. This stupid belief is rooted in the "Something about Mary" myth that women don't want an overly sexualized man, but the biological truth is far from that. The myth is one that women need to be comfortable with a guy in order to sleep with him, so men will actively desexualize themselves in order to comply. However, all indications point to a need for sexual anxiety and tension in arousal to prompt sexual intercourse. Comfort and trust are post-orgasm conditions; anxiety, arousal and sexual urgency are pre-orgasm conditions.

 

[DanelMadr]

Of course you can't lift more in a gym, talk to more girls and be aggressive when you are jacking off.

For it is quite hard to do these things with one hand on your d1ck.

Porn is bad.
1. It creates distinction between Sex and Love in your brain.

2. Quite logically it makes you less horny when you masturnate to it with a happy end. Less horny = less bold and eager in seeking real life sexual gratification (yeah I know your hand is real, but you get my point right?)

3. It can easily get out of your hands (the situation not your d1ck). For Porn Addiction exists. Do you remember the SouthPark part when the Internet broke down and Mr. Marsh got a problem? So funny.

On the other hand when you stop watching porn and masturbating you simply don't get motivated enough for being sexual. The body gets used to it (in +- a week) and does not requests sexual stimulation. Therefore you become less sexually active altogether. And if you suddenly have the chance, you won't last that long.

I say, there should be some middle way. Just don't over do it. Everyone should know where his borders are. Stupid researches and feminists shouldn't control our borders.