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Hell, I'm 6'4", naturally broad shouldered, fit and overall attractive and I get practically nothing with the opposite sex. If I struggle with this I can imagine what it's like for the majority of men out there.
Where do you live? Location is a factor. In this region which is the oldest average age in the state nearly all the decent looking women are married. Usually they move here for a job already married from up north.

Yet down here I see a lot of fat, ugly, balding, scruffy looking guys with decent hb7 on up girls and wonder wtf am I doing wrong. How can a greaseball get a decent hb and here is me. I'm not an ugly fat greaseball and wear good clothes and brand name clothes and try to look decent and strike out.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Hey dude, have you noticed any correlation between womens' attitudes and their political leanings? I don't think there is one and women are the same, but I am still curious since I know you are on the right wing so you have a different perspective.

I ask because I am thinking of women from my past both that I've just talked to online and those I've actually met. I went and looked at one of these womens' profiles who I've met and I see her advertising for charity, out on a pride parade, but she still treated me like total sh!t. You could practically say she catfished me, and as usual, it was when I "tried" the most and really was genuine like they tell you in the mainstream, that I got the worst results. But these women will still claim to care about others and vote left, she herself said to others that respect is huge for her while she did anything but treat me with respect. It just makes me really cynic or jaded when, thinking about it, it occurs to you that they treat men like toys or trash in their personal life but still virtue signal officially. It's right now making me question my whole outlook on human society even more than I already did, and I feel that I have less and less sympathy for women.

What's your experience or take on it?

PS. I woulda PMed you but you've disabled it.
I believe that genereally women are into politics as much as they are into environmentalism, they basically emotionally feel something but in reality they simply do whatever they feel like in that moment.

A good example could be girls following the Greta Thunberg hysteria using a cellphone to chat while the tv runs in the backround and the air conditioning is at full speed despite she is leaving home in 5 minutes.

That girl from your example could be a case, she see the poor kids from africa on tv and within a seconds runs to share that on facebook...virtue signaling and guilt sense relieving on the spot basically yet if she doesnt like the nerdish waiter at the cafeteria she wont go there despite the poor bastart has a family to feed or wont date a guy if he doesnt have a car.

Personally I look like a bad guy from 80s movie therefore women are not aggressive toward me unless they are usually over aggressive with everyone and we are surrounded from people in that moment yet those who bash guys for no reason all tend to be leftists and mostly left leaning, there are conservative feminists but they are very few and usually have little bit more self control.

In my opinion the problem is not their political leaning but who they are to begin with, the political leaning simply gives them further reasons to be a pain in the ass as default for the average woman.

You will notice that politics becomes important in a womans life only once she gets old, when she is young and pretty enough to hit parties and get c0cks thrown at her, she wont go above virtue signaling on social media.

Your contry is an exception being women very politically oriented, generally I cant find a sure correlation between political leaning and women...I mean leftist to me are annoying to deal with generally but its not related to their gender and keep in mind Im more of a libertarian than a conservative.

Also women are sheep minded individuals, they cheer hitler in 1939 as he is god on ground then spit on him in 1945 after someone stronger won the war.
 

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In my opinion the problem is not their political leaning but who they are to begin with, the political leaning simply gives them further reasons to be a pain in the ass as default for the average woman.
Your observation that it's about the woman rather than her political leanings matches what I've seen that it's about the woman more than her age when it comes to damage and bad attitude. The women I know of and from what I see, starting in their teens and by the time they are in their early 20s, you can already see who they are and who they will be. By the time she is in her early 20s she already has plenty of experience behind her. In a way that's both encouraging and discouraging. First, just finding them in their early 20s like guys here will say is their prime is no magic solution... but second, a woman who is mentally and emotionally healthy may still be so later on too if it was always part of who she is.

Whether it's caused by antisocial media, online dating and cultural trends or whether it was always there and those things just brought it out in the open I can't say, but women now grow up with what I think is a "fast track" of experience since their childhood. A sense of entitlement, hypergamy, easy experiences and disposal attitude to men that just wasn't possible before or at least not as easy to observe, but now with mass connectivity it's right out there. My own mom for example said that she got with her 2nd husband mostly because she felt she had no other options. Today that would not be the case.

It will be an interesting future. I am looking forward to seeing whether your spinster hypothesis comes out into the mainstream haha.
 
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Your observation that it's about the woman rather than her political leanings matches what I've seen that it's about the woman more than her age when it comes to damage and bad attitude. The women I know of and from what I see, starting in their teens and by the time they are in their early 20s, you can already see who they are and who they will be. By the time she is in her early 20s she already has plenty of experience behind her. In a way that's both encouraging and discouraging. First, just finding them in their early 20s like guys will say is the prime here is no magic solution... but second, if you do find a woman who is mentally and emotionally healthy she may still be so later on too if it was always part of who she is.

Whether it's caused by antisocial media, online dating and cultural trends or whether it was always there and those things just brought it out in the open I can't say, but women now grow up with what I think is a "fast track" of experience since their childhood. A sense of entitlement, hypergamy, easy experiences and disposal attitude to men that just wasn't possible before or at least not as easy to observe, but now with mass information it's right out there. My own mom for example said that she got with her 2nd husband mostly because she felt she had no other options. Today that would not be the case.

It will be an interesting future. I am looking forward to seeing whether your spinster hypothesis comes out into the mainstream haha.
Absolutely agree with the "fast track" principle, a 16 yrs old girls nowadays has the same experiences a guy in his early 20s has.

This is true wheter we talk about sex and dating or simply life experiences, young girls have so many opportunities and so many chances to be involved in social gatherings and project that all they have to do is simply move while young guys have to fight tooth and nail only to get in the queue.

This fact is mindblowing especially in big cities where opportunities are countless and often lacking a present father at home, there is no guidance or limitation to the process.

What we basically have are guys in their mid 20s that are grown up teens while girls the same age that are burned the same way women in their mid 30s were in the early 00s.

I kid you not, I was there and I know what Im talking about, smartphones and social media are basically a stargate type medium to multiplies chances to network and make experiences for girls, even their mental growth and development is espedited from it.
 

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Absolutely agree with the "fast track" principle, a 16 yrs old girls nowadays has the same experiences a guy in his early 20s has.

This is true wheter we talk about sex and dating or simply life experiences, young girls have so many opportunities and so many chances to be involved in social gatherings and project that all they have to do is simply move while young guys have to fight tooth and nail only to get in the queue.

This fact is mindblowing especially in big cities where opportunities are countless and often lacking a present father at home, there is no guidance or limitation to the process.

What we basically have are guys in their mid 20s that are grown up teens while girls the same age that are burned the same way women in their mid 30s were in the early 00s.

I kid you not, I was there and I know what Im talking about, smartphones and social media are basically a stargate type medium to multiplies chances to network and make experiences for girls, even their mental growth and development is espedited from it.
Yep, I was thinking about clarifying that I don't just mean simple sexual experience but experience in general that molds their brains however I see now there was no need to worry as you knew exactly what I mean. The part about girls in their early 20s or even late teens that are burned out the way women in their mid 30s were in the early 00s was a good way to put it and so was the stargate type medium part, great descriptions. I feel like I can just see and feel it on them. I can't imagine committing to a woman like that.

I honestly would like to just find a woman who is emotionally and mentally healthy, who is attractive to me and attracted by me, and get the fvck out of the dating game. The funny thing is in theory my standards shouldn't even be that hard to find as I prefer fat girls, but that's not the case at all. I know a site where they easily have 100s, 1000s of orbiters and they do whatever they like regardless of whether or not they are attractive "for a big girl" and especially if they are. And in my experience their attitudes can be just as nasty. But if I managed to do it, I could relax and focus on things in life I would rather focus on than getting pvssy.

I am about to start university and I think if it doesn't happen there or from social spheres I build there, I am just going to forget about it as the odds will be too low once I am consigned to other avenues after that, and at that point I'll just have to enjoy women for what they still can be good for. I seemingly cannot use OLD/antisocial media anymore so I doubt they will be options after university: in the last couple of years or so my body has developed a physiological aversion to them after my collected previous experiences. At least being in real life is way more pleasant, for sure your positivity and energy will last longer if you stay away from OLD and antisocial media. They are just big mistakes for most men to get on.

You look at the below replacement birth rates in these countries and it's clear that something will have to change sooner or later, whether it's soon or a very long time from now, but sooner or later something will change simply by that fact alone.

Why didn't you end up with a woman? didn't want one? didn't find one? stopped caring?
 
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Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Yep, I was thinking about clarifying that I don't just mean simple sexual experience but experience in general that molds their brains however I see now there was no need to worry as you knew exactly what I mean. The part about girls in their early 20s or even late teens that are burned out the way women in their mid 30s were in the early 00s was a good way to put it and so was the stargate type medium part, great descriptions. I feel like I can just see and feel it on them. I can't imagine committing to a woman like that.

I honestly would like to just find a woman who is emotionally and mentally healthy, who is attractive to me and attracted by me, and get the fvck out of the dating game. The funny thing is in theory my standards shouldn't even be that hard to find as I prefer fat girls, but that's not the case at all. I know a site where they easily have 100s, 1000s of orbiters and they do whatever they like regardless of whether or not they are attractive "for a big girl" and especially if they are. And in my experience their attitudes can be just as nasty. But if I managed to do it, I could relax and focus on things in life I would rather focus on than getting pvssy.

I am about to start university and I think if it doesn't happen there or from social spheres I build there, I am just going to forget about it as the odds will be too low once I am consigned to other avenues after that, and at that point I'll just have to enjoy women for what they still can be good for. I seemingly cannot use OLD/antisocial media anymore so I doubt they will be options after university: in the last couple of years or so my body has developed a physiological aversion to them after my collected previous experiences. At least being in real life is way more pleasant, for sure your positivity and energy will last longer if you stay away from OLD and antisocial media. They are just big mistakes for most men to get on.

You look at the below replacement birth rates in these countries and it's clear that something will have to change sooner or later, whether it's soon or a very long time from now, but sooner or later something will change simply by that fact alone.

Why didn't you end up with a woman? didn't want one? didn't find one? stopped caring?
Unless being mgtow (aka pump and dump or completely withdraw if unable) becomes main stream we wont see much happen unless we wait few decades for ethnic replacement in Europe.

Also dont forget that what a woman fails to get through manipulation singularly, tries to get it through vote as a group.

In my case I always loved my freedom while had very few patience for being bossed around from women and their stupid demands and social rules, my lower than average libido didnt help either in that direction.

In my 20s I managed to be reasonably attractive and move with intelligence in the right places everywhere in Europe and somehow despite not being a chad, I experienced a chad like life style.

I dropped anything that wasnt worth in terms of cost-benefit ratio or rate of return, you will probably remember how I often said that I dropped southern european women altogheter...not attractive enough, too much drama, too much entitlement and even more sheep mentality when it comes of social rules and fashion.

Currently living a soft mgtow life style, I still date and fvck attractive younger girls but in no way I accept to change to fit in the environment, no interest in social media and full hate for cellphones generally except whatsapp text and brief vocals.

I make my own rules and I respect only those that I share not because I find them convenient or unconveniente but cause I find them right or wrong.

The more I travel, the more I see guys of my social class and culture to live the same wheter they are mid 20s or mid 30s, women above 30 are invisible to us for anything let alone marriage.
 

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Wow, what an admission! I'd bet he would feel quite Beta upon hearing that.
They were equally desperate and dysfunctional. They matched each other.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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