Arm Tapping PUA stuff for real?

[sosilky]

A few guys have refered to this so called PUA that sits on you tube tapping his elbow and doing realy wierd exercises. Is this guy for real? Please tell me why I should take him seriously. http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=tapping+game&ei=lYsMSOGKHIXErgKz8cifBA&hl=en

 

[Bonafide]

Saw this a few months ago... never took it seriously.

 

[Daddy The Pimp]

Yes it is . Interceptor can tell you more about this .

 

[Interceptor]

EFT works on opening up blocked electrical conduits of the human body.

When one feels emotions, one 'feels' it through the body.
When one expereinces negative trauma, the electrical charge of the experiences, and the resulting emotions get 'imprinted' into the body.

EFT helps remove those electrical charges thus freeing up the body from feeling or re locating, and accessing those emotions.

An example could be say, you remember being embarassed and flushed during an interaction with a woman. Perhaps she said something that was demeaning and insulting. You recall the experience and the feeling, and if you are in touch with your body and your emotions , you should be able to find where in the body you feel this experience and the emtions, and how strong is it for you.

By tapping certain points, you activate those electrical conduits which promotes the continued flow of energy, much like untangling a water hose.
By saying statements pertaining to the event and how you perceive them, you get in touch with it, and begin the process of addressing it, and eventually removing it from your body.


EFT address the neurological patterns that the human body creates to facilitate the continued access of information. Just that many times it 'records' the bad things too well....
So EFT helps in unblocking those old patterns and removing it from your body.

 

[War Against Betaism]

I have a question; so during the whole process while you're tapping the different parts of your body, are you closing your eyes and running the bad experiences through your head while you're tapping?

 

[Interceptor]

You can do that.
In fact, the more you are immersed in that negative experience, the more tangible and quantifieable the progress can be.

To the point that you just cant really access that negative experience, and feel indifferent about it.

It just becomes this semi trivial memory that you dont have any feeling about any more.

 

[ElStud]

does tapping lead to permanent changes?

I want to know this before trying this sh*t.

 

[Comeback kid]

I tried some of this stuff long ago, i don't know if it was Interceptor,but someone gave me a link and i started doing it. Unfortunately i didn't really follow up with it long enough to make it work for me. But I read about the site and watched a few videos. I might try it again sometime soon.

 

[KontrollerX]

http://www.randi.org/jr/2006-03/031706carroll.html#i4

Gary Craig's Center for EFT

Gary Craig is a healer who would fit well in any New Age borough. He is so happy he's found the cause and cure for almost everything and he can't wait to help you cure whatever ails you. He loves you and cares for you. How do I know? He says so on his website:

I hope this doesn't sound too grandiose but you just walked into the most successful health innovation in the last 100 years. Based on impressive new discoveries regarding the body's subtle energies, Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT) has been astonishingly successful in thousands of clinical cases. It applies to just about every emotional and physical issue you can name and often works where nothing else will. (EFT)

Subtle energies, for those who haven't heard, is the scientific name for chi (prana, ki), those mysterious energies that are in constant need of balancing, harmonizing, unblocking, channeling, funneling, and transferring in order to maintain perfect health. If you doubt Gary's word, you can read the testimonials from dozens of people who have been cured of everything under the sun by this fabulous therapy. You'll feel welcome at Gary's site. He's loving and caring, as are all his staff. And you matter. He treats the person, not the disease. Let's cut to the chase. Basically, Gary's discovered what traditional healers have known for millennia: if you can relax people, they become suggestible and you can relieve their stress, ease their minds, and allow their bodies to heal themselves. Gary's discovery came when he found out he could cure people by using acupuncture without the needles. He stimulates so-called energy meridian points on the body by tapping them with his fingertips.

Of course, the gimmick wouldn't be complete if Gary didn't remind us that he knows about ancient wisdom (he is following a time-honored Eastern tradition that has been around for over 5,000 years, he says, though acupuncture has not been around nearly that long. It has a recorded history of about 2,000 years.*). Plus, Gary knows about modern science. He says Albert Einstein "told us back in the 1920's that everything (including our bodies) is composed of energy." Thirdly, Gary tells us that "these ideas have been largely ignored by Western Healing Practices." What Gary forgets to tell us is that the so-called subtle energy of acupuncture has nothing in common with the energy in E=mc2. When you unblock that kind of energy you get nuclear weapons or power, not miraculous health cures. And the reasons these ideas have been largely ignored by conventional Western doctors is because they are nonsensical. Both the meridians and the subtle energy that supposedly flows along them are mythical entities. If Gary's methods are helping anyone, it is because he is touching them, relaxing them, reducing their stress.

Bob Park explains very simply and clearly how the placebo effect works in contexts like EFT:

Once we are convinced of the healing power of a doctor or a treatment, something very remarkable happens: a sham treatment induces real biological improvement. This is the placebo effect. Healers have relied on the placebo effect for thousands of years, but until recently, it was usually referred to as the "mysterious" placebo effect. Scientists, however, are beginning to understand the complex interaction of the brain and the endocrine system that gives rise to the placebo effect.

People seek out a doctor when they experience discomfort or when they believe that something about their body is not right. That is, they suffer pain and fear. The response of the brain to pain and fear, however, is not to mobilize the body's healing mechanisms but to prepare it to meet some external threat. It's an evolutionary adaptation that assigns the highest priority to preventing additional injury. Stress hormones released into the bloodstream increase respiration, blood pressure, and heart rate. These changes may actually impede recovery. The brain is preparing the body for action; recovery must wait.

The first objective of a good physician, therefore, is to relieve stress. That usually involves assuring patients that there is an effective treatment for their condition and that the prospects for recovery are excellent—if they will just follow the doctor's instructions. Since we recover from most of the things that afflict us, the brain learns to associate recovery with visits to the doctor. Most of us start to feel better before we even leave the doctor's office. (Voodoo Science: The Road from Foolishness to Fraud. Oxford University Press, 2001, pp. 50-51.)

So, the metaphysical mumbo jumbo that accompanies Gary Craig's tapping with his fingers is unnecessary baggage. He could tell you to take two of these little blue pills twice a day for two weeks and probably have just as many satisfied customers as the Emotional Freedom Technique folks. One difference, however, is that we have a way to test whether those little blue pills are a placebo or not. But we cannot do a randomized, double-blind controlled experiment on subtle energy being unblocked along meridians.

In case you're wondering whether Gary Craig is another medical doctor gone astray, the answer is no. He tells us on his website that he is "a Stanford engineering graduate and an ordained minister and, although we don't pound the table for God here, I do come at this procedure from a decidedly spiritual perspective." His mentor was Dr. Roger Callahan, the inventor of Thought Field Therapy (TFT). The theory behind TFT is that negative emotions cause energy blockage and if the energy is unblocked then the fears will disappear. Tapping acupressure points is thought to be the means of unblocking the energy. Allegedly, it only takes five to six minutes to elicit a cure. Dr. Callahan claims an 85% success rate. He even does cures over the phone using "Voice Technology" on infants and animals; by analyzing the voice he claims he can determine what points on the body the patient should tap for treatment. As you have no doubt surmised by now, Mr. Craig is a great judge of character.*

He also has high regard for Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP) in which he is a Certified Master Practitioner." I guess that's called Truth in Advertising.

 

[SinJester]

It works! I don't care how, placeb, new age energy, whatever. That's not important the thing is it works. Normally at sports training I get performance anxiety and become self-concious and as a result my skills drop. The first time I really tried EFT I did it for about 15 minutes before I went to training about all the negative thought, beliefs and emotions I have when training. I went out to that session WITHOUT A NEGATVE THOUGHT and trained the house down. I don't know how it did that but it did, and I thought 'wow this must work'.

I try and avoid reading anything trying to put it down to science or placebo or calling it a scam. I just know that somehow it works and I know a lot of PUAs that have had major success with this. Most people look at this and think 'hey that could work I might try it one day' (used to be me) and a lot just dismiss it all together.

Magnus from Inner Game Tapping is actually a well respected PUA I believe. I have his ebooks and drafts and they are great. With his worksheets say if we want to get rid of approach anxiety we should work out everything thats holding us back and why it's holding us back and tap it away. 'Even though she is already in converation...' 'Even though I don't have an opener...' whatever! I liked that idea and have been writing out my negative beliefs
and 'tapping them away'.

Unfortunately because it's 'new agey' and there's articles saying it's placebo most people will probably never try it, and might think I'm crazy Like I said I don't care HOW it works it just does for me. Trying it only takes a few minutes, isn't it worth it for something that MIGHT change your life, seems like a good deal to me. (No offense KontrollerX I respect your views and in the past would have probably done the same myself)

INTERCEPTOR: Have you actually used EFT succesfully yourself?

 

[KontrollerX]

"I went out to that session WITHOUT A NEGATVE THOUGHT and trained the house down. I don't know how it did that but it did, and I thought 'wow this must work'."

It worked because you believed it worked.

For example I watched this series on HBO called "In Treatment" about a therapist and his interactions with his patients and he was explaining to one of his patients who was a girl gymnast named Sophie how he stopped his own panic and anxiety attacks as an example to her of what she could do to overcome them when she was up on the balance beam getting ready to perform her acrobatic stunts and he told her to repeat in her mind...

"This anxiety is coming from me and because it is coming from me I can make it stop".

She asked him if that actually worked for him and he said it did.

The show was based almost as closely on real therapy as possible.

The same type of affirmation would work for you just as well as EFT because you not EFT or any other mumbo jumbo is in control of your life.

Hey though if you and any others want to believe in this stuff and think it works for you go right ahead I am not trying to stop you I am just posting some truth for the lurkers so that they have two sides of the story surrounding this stuff, how it is based on placebo effect and how a simple affirmation and recognition that you are the one in control of your mental state can be just as if not more effective than EFT.

 

[Beffing]

I think it has some merit but when you break it all down its about how your mind perceives the treatment, if you think it worked, then it did.

 

[SinJester]

It doesn't matter it worked. And if people can't flip a switch in their mind and suddenly change their beliefs because they want to, I would reccomend it.

I mean if you can't say to yourself 'ok I'm going to change this belief, right now, because I believe I can' and actually get it to work...

But even if it is placebo does it honestly matter if it works?

But maybe it wouldn't even work now.

 

[KontrollerX]

I think you are all missing the point it only worked because it was placebo affect and you can apply this affect to anything that you want to believe in.

Again it worked only because you believed in it.

Thats all.

The EFT technique is not legitimate or even special.

Your belief in its power is.

Just like someone that is not really sick believes that the sugar pills the doctor prescribes is curing him or her.

Its all placebo affect.

The EFT technique and the sugar pills don't do anything.

Ones belief in them does something.

And I never said placebo affect is wrong but merely to recognize it for what it is rather than assigning legitimacy to something that is not legitimate.

 

[Interceptor]

INTERCEPTOR: Have you actually used EFT succesfully yourself?

All the time.

 

[War Against Betaism]

I really love this line though and it really paints a perspective how much we need to get rid of our approach anxiety...

"So what is approach anxiety? Approach anxiety is a subconscious mind warning you that if you talk to a girl, it's pretty sure it's gonna experience emotional trauma. That's all. At some point you've learned that girls can make you feel bad, so your body is replaying that feeling in advance so you know to avoid them in the future. It's a survival mechanism and it would be pretty handy if women were say...bears."

Gawd I hate approach anxiety, one time I was at yogurtland and this girl makes eye contact with me, and we just had our eyes locked for 3 seconds, and then on the 4th second for some reason it felt like my neck was clogged up and I had to look away. At least I know what to tap when I do this.

 

[everywomanshero]

Don't shoot the messenger! EFT is a steeming pile of horse dung. Here's some very basic information you can start to reference. Some people will believe anything.

http://homepages.wmich.edu/~mccarthy/quacks.html

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/mentserv.html

 

[War Against Betaism]

Lately I've been in a pretty big slump. Before I met this girl that I got really deep in the relationship with, I was able to pull women and make out with them on the spot at parties. Now I haven't kissed a girl in 2 frikkin months. I've been more hesitant now. I've been in positions to make out with women but for some reason I just freeze. I realized that with this particular girl I was with, there was some sort of drama between us and she got her homeboys after me. I almost got jumped where it was just me and 20 of her homeboys at a party but I avoided getting my ass kicked. It's settled now but I think that's the cause of my hesitation; that particular incident is holding me back and making me think that something like that will happen again.

I'll see if tapping will help my problem.