Arguments against Looks, MONEY and Status?

[taiyuu_otoko]

If you need looks, status, or money to get laid,

The issue isn't getting laid. As described by OP, it's "thriving" consistently by HOT women.

Wondering if anyone on this forum really believes a guy can thrive with HOT women

 

[Who Dares Win]

I believe silvestre has a point, looks is not just a matter of size and proportion but what the full package conveys.

Unlike 99% of the users on this board, I hardly reach a 7 in look, more like 6.5 when wind doesnt fvck up my already ****ed up hairline yet the genuine IDGAF attitude I show scores me plenty of points.

The way I look and talk to women helps me to look more goodlooking than what I look for real.

A goodlooking guy with a sad whipped worried face loses points.

In my life the biggest success I got with women was when I only wanted to have fun and be ready to drop with a smile anyone who had other plans and that was obvious in my body language and attitude.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

and the answer is still the same.

Nope, the answer is most certainly NOT the same.

Getting laid with the bottom 60% of women is VERY EASY.

Getting laid consistently with the top 5% of women (looks and youth) require a COMPLETELY different set of skills.

The higher up the ladder you go, the harder it gets.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

getting laid consistently with the top 5% of women may be harder for you.

I think you're purposely missing my point so you can signal your alphaness

Congratulations on your girl getting skills.

But the fact remains, that for MEN IN GENERAL (neither me nor you) getting top tier girls is more difficult than getting lower girls.

For every super hero like you who can easily get any girl they want, there are guys who CAN GET lower level girls, but CANNOT GET top level girls.

That's the point of this thread.

What skills or qualities does ONE (not you) need to consistently get top level girls?

 

[PeasantPlayer]

I was talking to my mom and she sees lots of people at her job (retail) she talked about a few observations. She works with a variety of women and sees hundreds of people a day.

1. She said she sees a lot good looking guys with unattractive or fat women.
2. She seems as she described ugly men with cute/pretty women
3. Her co-workers are straight women and talk about how attractive women are and barely talk about how cute men are
4.Most people are ugly up close in the light

 

[Urbanyst]

No seriously like did you never have any friends who had none of the above yet always score the hottest women because they had such a great personality and confidence? There's not really any explanation you just don't have the experiences I have.

There is no explanation because you're talking sh*t lol.

And the answer to your question is NO.

 

[Urbanyst]

and im saying that those difficulties are not entirely dependent on having looks, money or status the way the thread suggests. its an oversimplification.

those things can widen your pool and open doors for prospective mates, but a man has to walk through the door himself. which is where an ACTUAL skill comes in like game. which fundamentally, is refined social competence with the opposite sex. a skill which is more valuable than having looks, money or status.

its already established that afcs have a hard time with most women. but money, looks and status are not the answer. just facets of a larger collective

Nope.

Game only helps when you already have one of the big three: Looks, MONEY, Status.

You need at least one to play. Then you can use game and skills to up your numbers.

I always use the example of a hideous homeless bum living on the streets with top GAME. How many 5% women is he attracting? NONE lol.

Sorry but LOOKS, MONEY and STATUS is the law to gain entry. There is no way around it no matter how much you want to delude yourself or try to seek out rare freak-show exceptions to the rule. A dog has four legs. That's the rule. If I look hard enough I can find a dog with three legs or two legs. But the rule is a dog has four legs. Sorry.

 

[Urbanyst]

Off the top of my head?

- that any of your criticism of "pua crap" never comes with specifics of any infield testing. Therefore the criticism is boring
- that your argument can be destroyed by a 2 minute google search of "chateau heartiste science validates game"
- that when addressed on any specifics, you revert to "yeah, but you need money to buy food"
- that this stuff really belongs in the wealth and success part if the forum (money, status), or the fitness part of the firum (looks), but you post it here for more attention.

Etc etc.

This post is too vague to hold any water.

Try a little harder.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Game only helps when you already have one of the big three: Looks, MONEY, Status.

I dont know who these teenage bimbos are, that you and the peanut gallery here dub "top 5%," but i doubt they would interest me that much. I can get girls half my age, quite easily, but at some point i have to actually speak to them, and then the thrill quickly wears off.

The biggest problem on this web site is excuse-making. You are enabling the excuse-makers. It is easier to say my bank account is not big enough than it is to have the balls to go talk to a pretty girl. That is exactly the type of self-defeating mentality that would lead a guy to a how to get girls web site, where he is told that all women suck and it is pointless to even try. And that is self-improvement?

 

[nismo-4]

This reminds me of something Rollo used to say when he used to post on here frequently. He said something like "Looks, money, status, game. Have two. But if you can have only one, have game".

I'm not sure I agree with that, but whatever. If I could only have one, I'd take the money. Not to get women, but just because you can use money to get so many different things in life. It's by far the most versatile and useful thing on that list, IMO.
When you get to be my age, you think about how important health is also.

Rollo said:

Looks, Assets, Game. Have two. But if you can only have one, have game.

The first part is true, the second part is outdated. Women tend to require more to be aroused. Game is only a small part of this. It helps, but (as he said) your bulletproof game and charming personality won't make you look any better when your shirt comes off.

He forgot to mention it doesn't make you look any better with it on, nor does it add millions to your bank account.

 

[zekko]

your argument can be destroyed by a 2 minute google search of "chateau heartiste science validates game"

The words Heartiste and science don't belong in the same sentence.
Heartiste makes up a conclusion, finds some science article that is vaguely on the same subject, and he twists its results to support his conclusion.
That's my impression of Heartiste anyway.

 

[user43770]

I like how the argument has become based on banging chicks in the top 5% in looks lol.

Yeah, you're gonna need a lot of money, power and respect in that case.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Nope.

Game only helps when you already have one of the big three: Looks, MONEY, Status.

You need at least one to play. Then you can use game and skills to up your numbers.

I always use the example of a hideous homeless bum living on the streets with top GAME. How many 5% women is he attracting? NONE lol.

Sorry but LOOKS, MONEY and STATUS is the law to gain entry. There is no way around it no matter how much you want to delude yourself or try to seek out rare freak-show exceptions to the rule. A dog has four legs. That's the rule. If I look hard enough I can find a dog with three legs or two legs. But the rule is a dog has four legs. Sorry.

I agree with the message however I would put money in a lower position than look and status.

 

[playa99]

I actually don't understand the point your making. To a high value man, LMS is a given.

Personality, charisma & game matters far far more, all things being equal.

You then use extreme examples (the bum) to debunk arguments, which is absurd.

You are grossly overestimating the importance of LMS.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I like how the argument has become based on banging chicks in the top 5% in looks lol.

Yeah, you're gonna need a lot of money, power and respect in that case.

I've done Top 5% for a few hundred bucks many times.

 

[user43770]

I've done Top 5% for a few hundred bucks many times.

Doubt they were top 5%. Otherwise, they wouldn't be fvcking the likes of either us, only movie stars etc.

Which there's nothing wrong with. Part of the red-pill is understanding that are certain chicks that are out of your league.

It's like Heartiste says, game isn't some kind of magic pill, but it can help a guy hit a few grades above his weight class.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Doubt they were top 5%. Otherwise, they wouldn't be fvcking the likes of either us, only movie stars etc.

Which there's nothing wrong with. Part of the red-pill is understanding that are certain chicks that are out of your league.

Top 5% in looks. Yes they were.

I've posted pictures many times.

What is "the likes of me" supposed to mean?

 

[user43770]

Top 5% in looks. Yes they were.

I've posted pictures many times.

What is "the likes of me" supposed to mean?

I edited my post, but I said the "likes of either of us" before I did.

I saw the chicks you're referring to. They weren't 9's.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I edited my post, but I said the "likes of either of us" before I did.

I saw the chicks you're referring to. They weren't 9's.

I think most guys would think they are 9-10 in looks.

If they aren't, I don't know what is cause they're the hottest girls anyone's posted on this site.

 

[user43770]

That's a 9 @RichardTheFrog

Nobody posts pics because it's wierd to do so, but I doubt anybody on sosuave is fvcking something like that.