are you unattractive? what happens when you make eye contact
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Poonani Maker
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To be honest, they 59% smile and are in awe as if studying me. The ones that don't or are in their late teens, nerdy, or reserved, eventually come around and get either fixated every time they see me eye-to-eye or they're happy to see me almost always.
Some of the ones who think they have no chance with me, hate me for it and no matter what I do to befriend them treat me like a piece of cold toast. They're usually also the ones who will buy in to what anyone says about me be it from a guy or a girl friend. And they are also the ones who are the most insecure/not successful or not rich in life I imagine i.e. tatoos on the leg, down the back or on the arm.
Women try to touch me every now and then, either on my lower back or hand.
Some of the ones who think they have no chance with me, hate me for it and no matter what I do to befriend them treat me like a piece of cold toast. They're usually also the ones who will buy in to what anyone says about me be it from a guy or a girl friend. And they are also the ones who are the most insecure/not successful or not rich in life I imagine i.e. tatoos on the leg, down the back or on the arm.
Women try to touch me every now and then, either on my lower back or hand.
In my attempt to be concise, parenthetical-within-parenthetical statements deemed necessary
people recognize and respond to values based on natural & sexual selection. Any trait in which you are deficient (attractiveness) can be eclipsed by another trait (strength/security/bad boy/social smarts (being able to convince a girl to think/recognize/do things she will assume you are able to do this with others, and therefore is a strong natural selection trait, and this is what most of the tips on this site are about/creativeness) which you are strong in.
A woman's environment also plays a strong role. If a woman's daily environment does not present threatening cues, she will care less about the strength/security traits.
So... if you're unattractive you will have a harder time in cold approaches, especially with women whose daily environment depends mainly on attractiveness (model who needs to present you to her friends, who only care about looks).
But, in modern society, it's very easy to have multiple partners, therefore, women will be attracted to and mate with a person strong in alternative valuable traits. The more exceptional your alternative valuable trait, the greater the attraction. (accounting for the model who sleeps with the ugly buff guy/bad boy, etc.)
Therefore, if women aren't locking eyes with you when you walk by, don't sweat, improve some other trait, and adapt your game to meeting women in a situation where your valuable trait becomes apparent, and your deficient traits become less apparent. This will be most effective in a situation where it's natural, and doesn't seem like you're sticking it in their face.
The stronger the match between your valuable trait(s), and the womans daily environment cues, the more sexually responsive and receptive a girl will be.
Doesn't AFC rejection counter the valuable traits theory? AFC shows the woman that his deficient traits are a problem, consequently the valuable traits he possesses are problematic. Once the girl determines that the deficiencies eclipse the strengths, strong traits are devoid of value. Once she has rationalized this, you can not build value based on the same old stuff she's already knows about. Unless there is a new trait/value, (and you do not continue to suck all the value out of it also), there's no chance of getting out of ljbf.
people recognize and respond to values based on natural & sexual selection. Any trait in which you are deficient (attractiveness) can be eclipsed by another trait (strength/security/bad boy/social smarts (being able to convince a girl to think/recognize/do things she will assume you are able to do this with others, and therefore is a strong natural selection trait, and this is what most of the tips on this site are about/creativeness) which you are strong in.
A woman's environment also plays a strong role. If a woman's daily environment does not present threatening cues, she will care less about the strength/security traits.
So... if you're unattractive you will have a harder time in cold approaches, especially with women whose daily environment depends mainly on attractiveness (model who needs to present you to her friends, who only care about looks).
But, in modern society, it's very easy to have multiple partners, therefore, women will be attracted to and mate with a person strong in alternative valuable traits. The more exceptional your alternative valuable trait, the greater the attraction. (accounting for the model who sleeps with the ugly buff guy/bad boy, etc.)
Therefore, if women aren't locking eyes with you when you walk by, don't sweat, improve some other trait, and adapt your game to meeting women in a situation where your valuable trait becomes apparent, and your deficient traits become less apparent. This will be most effective in a situation where it's natural, and doesn't seem like you're sticking it in their face.
The stronger the match between your valuable trait(s), and the womans daily environment cues, the more sexually responsive and receptive a girl will be.
Doesn't AFC rejection counter the valuable traits theory? AFC shows the woman that his deficient traits are a problem, consequently the valuable traits he possesses are problematic. Once the girl determines that the deficiencies eclipse the strengths, strong traits are devoid of value. Once she has rationalized this, you can not build value based on the same old stuff she's already knows about. Unless there is a new trait/value, (and you do not continue to suck all the value out of it also), there's no chance of getting out of ljbf.
In2theGame
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It all depends, sometimes girls/women give me a stare from far, or glance over once in a while. sometimes they try to avoid eye contact with me if im looking at them, but then catch them later. Funny thing is, when im out looking and feelin good, Women try to avoid me it seems, and only the HB 9's give EC. At this store i go to around my way, there are about 3 HB 8's in there who give me minimal EC but the HB 6 in there gives me an insane amount of flirty EC. seems like she's the only one who has the guts to talk to me. BTW the HB 6 has like size DDDDDDDD+ T1Ts lol,... could be fun to mess with,...still debating on it.verysuave said:
LoneSilver
Master Don Juan
They call police cause I look creepy and scary then they find out I am loaded and then I hear them say dam I f*cked that chance up..
LoneSilver
LoneSilver
LoneSilver
Master Don Juan
Just cuttin' up.
Actually I get the same reaction that Poonani Maker recieves..It seems women study me..I figure it's a couple of things one I have gray white hair with a white goatee with a muscular body and most guys my age reach for the Just For Men dye when they see a hint of a gray hair and properly are buying into what the product is trying to sell like gray hair is a curse and won't get you the women which is bull.
Now my eye condition does bring challenges because if I look at a womn from a distance I appear winking unless I wear my eye patch and I may appear like I am mad until I start talking it really comes down to the maturity of the girl to judge correctly.
Either way I am one of a kind in the way I appear to the world to me a good thing but I don't think I am unattractive by any means.
Hope this helps.
LoneSilver
Actually I get the same reaction that Poonani Maker recieves..It seems women study me..I figure it's a couple of things one I have gray white hair with a white goatee with a muscular body and most guys my age reach for the Just For Men dye when they see a hint of a gray hair and properly are buying into what the product is trying to sell like gray hair is a curse and won't get you the women which is bull.
Now my eye condition does bring challenges because if I look at a womn from a distance I appear winking unless I wear my eye patch and I may appear like I am mad until I start talking it really comes down to the maturity of the girl to judge correctly.
Either way I am one of a kind in the way I appear to the world to me a good thing but I don't think I am unattractive by any means.
Hope this helps.
LoneSilver
broken dreams
Senior Don Juan
OK this is spilling the can of worms cause I know Im going to be burned by this but I started experimenting with this yesterday.
Ive been working on appraoching without eye contact and cold appraoching indirect which seem comon conversation and you further where you want it to go in the day for me.
I started using direct, this is VERY different for me cause it starts with eye contact then smile and you go in direct to tell her you are interested in her.
I creeped 95% of all the girls out,
I know guys who are soo good at direct but I cant seem to NOT come creepy going direct.
3 girls totally scared and almost screamed.
It ****in scared me too , ****
The guy said that I have to tone it down more energy and sexuality down. one girl said I looked creepy going in directly at that girl then I went indirect and went smooth for me and the other girl.
Read my post on hired guns and honest feedback would be nice.
Ive been working on appraoching without eye contact and cold appraoching indirect which seem comon conversation and you further where you want it to go in the day for me.
I started using direct, this is VERY different for me cause it starts with eye contact then smile and you go in direct to tell her you are interested in her.
I creeped 95% of all the girls out,
I know guys who are soo good at direct but I cant seem to NOT come creepy going direct.
3 girls totally scared and almost screamed.
It ****in scared me too , ****
The guy said that I have to tone it down more energy and sexuality down. one girl said I looked creepy going in directly at that girl then I went indirect and went smooth for me and the other girl.
Read my post on hired guns and honest feedback would be nice.
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Being_the_Don
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Yes, this does happen to me, too, but in my case it's because I'm ATTRACTIVE not UNattractive.Poonani Maker said:
broken dreams
Senior Don Juan
Ok dude you do this on hot chicks or fat chicks.
if its a hot chick you are not the only nor the first one
if she is fat chick -then you made her day!
Its important to phrase if you are attractive model look alike, I'm not.
but Im working on my game and there are things that work for some attarctive dudes like this and doesnt work for guys like me cause when I tried doing that chicks creeps the f u c k out !
if its a hot chick you are not the only nor the first one
if she is fat chick -then you made her day!
Its important to phrase if you are attractive model look alike, I'm not.
but Im working on my game and there are things that work for some attarctive dudes like this and doesnt work for guys like me cause when I tried doing that chicks creeps the f u c k out !
Being_the_Don
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broken dreams said:
If your question is directed at me, I'm only interested in attractive women and they're the ones who give IOIs, etc. Unattractive women seem to already know that I'm out of their league so they rarely make passes at me. But for the record, attractive women can be insecure, too. There was one HB9 that I wrote about last year. This woman was EXTREMELY hot but extremely shy, too. She would talk to other people but was extremely shy around me. She'd put herself in close proximity and I did try to talk to her but she was so shy that I gave up. I shouldn't have, but I did. Part of that comes from the belief that since I am the prize to be won, she should have been more talkative instead of me having to do all the hard work. In hindsight, was that a good decision? If I had kept at it who knows what would have happened? So that is a lesson in regret.
And btw, my first post in this thread was at Poonani Maker since he seemed to be talking about the reactions he gets as an attractive guy when the OP was asking about the reactions women have towards unattractive guys.
broken dreams
Senior Don Juan
Good point dude. nice story. ofcourse fatties arent going to smile at you you intimidate them since you are attractive confident guy.
cool man
I like this commercial dude check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKh0zaXf6js&feature=related
Im attractive in my inner game the music background music is the shiznick.
awesome post man.
cool man
I like this commercial dude check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKh0zaXf6js&feature=related
Im attractive in my inner game the music background music is the shiznick.
awesome post man.
Being_the_Don
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For the guys who think that they are unattractive, have you stopped to consider the possibility that you project this lack of self esteem when you're trying to interact with women? Your self image relates to your self esteem and both will influence the outcome of whatever it is you hope to accomplish.
ExcelNPrevail
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They sometimes after some rapport give me that, "Fu(k me now you big boy look." Or they smile, and if there playfull they'll stick their tongue out playfully.
