Are you serious about remaining single and deciding not to get married?

[SW15]

Sorry for the delay man. Been grinding. Merry Christmas and happy new year pal. I hope you are doing well. Cheers mate.

Same to you! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

The problem is that 99% of men are hardwired to spread their seed and seek lineage.

I agree. This is problematic for Western men. This sort of thing leads to scarcity mentality and a lot of men making bad decisions in terms of longer term mating.

I agree though the pill guys piss me off tbh.

Bash marriage. Are married. Worst of all are the dorks sperging out at marriage and single mom's &&&& married to one. Absolutely pathetic.

Rollo is a net positive. I'm just highly removed from the majority. 0 receipts. No infield. Lots of boomer pods and nobody going out, approaching or pulling. Lots of jerry springer pods. Beyond Troy, I don't think majority have approached or pulled the last few decades.

The space is mostly shills. Guys need to do their research and disqualify frauds. I think 99% are fraudin. The old saying about not meeting your role models exists.

The biggest criticism of Rollo is that he hasn't dated since the mid-1990s. It's good for him that his marriage has been long and he's used some concepts of game to retain that relationship. He has bashed marriage in general.

There are a lot of frauds in space. It can be challenging to figure it out.

A lot of women are getting into the red pill/dating coaching for men space. Pearl (JustPearlyThings) has far more subscribers than Rollo or Rich Cooper. Courtney Ryan is popular. Blaine Anderson and Sarah Dawn Moore have made names for themselves as female dating coaches for men. Don't ask a fish on how to catch fish. Ask a fisherman.

@DEEZEDBRAH is a fisherman.

I hear Mystery is a classic example. Brilliant in one feat and an absolute manic depressant and black hole in another. Pickup had tons of con men too. Qualify gurus FTW!

I touched on this in a thread a while back. Mention Mystery in the first post.

Why Have So Many Well Known Pickup Artists Had Major Personal Issues?

Tom Torero: Has a scandal surrounding non-consensual recordings. Dies unexpectedly. Family confirms his death was a suicide. Roosh: Sister dies of breast cancer. Leads to emotional breakdown. Has a religious conversion and condemns pickup, seduction, and all non-marital sex. Neil Strauss: Was...

www.sosuave.net

 

[Hamurabimbi]

That's the thing. It's not about you or what you like. Modern women are bodied for days. Marriage used to mean something. It was "help mate" in Christian marriage. It's something similar in other religions. It's a post wall woman's ATM exit strategy in 2024.

If you been through it, why the F would you risk it? She's not a virgin nor traditional. She likely didn't give her youth to you either. She doesn't qualify but be my guest.

I fully understand the anti-marriage side.

 

[Dr.Suave]

The pull out method is riskier even when a man pulls out in time.

This is either a myth or Im shooting blanks. I would have hundreds of children by now.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Same to you! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!



I agree. This is problematic for Western men. This sort of thing leads to scarcity mentality and a lot of men making bad decisions in terms of longer term mating.

It's a monopoly for top shelf men. It's funny how feminism created this dating pool. Sleeping around is empowering lulz.

The biggest criticism of Rollo is that he hasn't dated since the mid-1990s. It's good for him that his marriage has been long and he's used some concepts of game to retain that relationship. He has bashed marriage in general.

He's a net positive.

His poem on f&f read with guest appearance by rsd Ty was funny. Ty laughing over his poem read is hilarious.

The worst guy is the marriage bashing guy who hates on single mom's but married one. Lame.

There are a lot of frauds in space. It can be challenging to figure it out.

A lot of women are getting into the red pill/dating coaching for men space. Pearl (JustPearlyThings) has far more subscribers than Rollo or Rich Cooper. Courtney Ryan is popular. Blaine Anderson and Sarah Dawn Moore have made names for themselves as female dating coaches for men. Don't ask a fish on how to catch fish. Ask a fisherman.

I think pearl is still shill. I think Courtney is similar but better and has more self awareness. Pearl had a feminist rant before this stuff blew up. I think it's why so few are good. Rsd had a girl coach. Brutal.

[QUOTE@DEEZEDBRAH is a fisherman.



I touched on this in a thread a while back. Mention Mystery in the first post.

Why Have So Many Well Known Pickup Artists Had Major Personal Issues?

Tom Torero: Has a scandal surrounding non-consensual recordings. Dies unexpectedly. Family confirms his death was a suicide. Roosh: Sister dies of breast cancer. Leads to emotional breakdown. Has a religious conversion and condemns pickup, seduction, and all non-marital sex. Neil Strauss: Was...

www.sosuave.net

[/QUOTE]

Not seen it. I'll have a look.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

This is either a myth or Im shooting blanks. I would have hundreds of children by now.

It's a gamble is what he's getting at and modern women aren't worth it.

I fully understand the anti-marriage side.

If family creation is your plan or religious marriage? I see 0 value in state marriage nor living in a place that deems your living situation as marriage. Alternatively have a exit strategy.

Man Burns $1 Million So Ex Wouldn’t Get It In The Divorce

Many people will go to extreme lengths to make sure their exes don't get anything in a divorce. This man felt it best to burn $1 million in cash.

www.audacy.com

Man Sets Fire To $1 Million In Cash So His Ex Wouldn’t Get It In The Divorce

He could have had a exit strategy or better yet, not married to begin with.

 

[Black Widow Void]

If wanting children was my goal, then I'd absolutely do marriage first.

However, I always considered children to be an 18 year -to-life sentence. And having a wife would mean that I'd be stuck having to sleep with one woman the rest of my life. This sounds more like existing than living a full and fun life.

Honestly, if I met a woman that inspired me to think about marriage, I wouldn't run away. I think that most people marry because it's what everyone else is doing or they consider this lifestyle to be 'normal.' Yet when half the marriages end in divorce and the other half that remain married aren't usually "happily married" then 'normal'... this is not.

 

[SW15]

If wanting children was my goal, then I'd absolutely do marriage first.

Same

I always considered children to be an 18 year -to-life sentence. And having a wife would mean that I'd be stuck having to sleep with one woman the rest of my life. This sounds more like existing than living a full and fun life.

It is an 18 year to life sentence. Even after age 18, children do still require some parenting. In the last 20 years, we have seen a trend of more 18-29 year olds living at home with parents.

If you have a child or multiple children with a woman and then separate from her, you're still going to need to co-parent with her for life. Co-parenting won't end when all children have turned 18. You're still going to be dealing with her for holiday celebrations, graduations, birthdays, weddings, etc. even after the children turn 18. That sounds miserable.

if I met a woman that inspired me to think about marriage, I wouldn't run away. I think that most people marry because it's what everyone else is doing or they consider this lifestyle to be 'normal.' Yet when half the marriages end in divorce and the other half that remain married aren't usually "happily married" then 'normal'... this is not.

I do think that this happens within social circles. Within social circles of similarly aged people, there is usually a flurry of weddings around a 2-3 year period. Then a flurry of babies soon after that.

I've documented some of that in my primary social circle in the thread below.

Pregnancy Announcements Everywhere! Life When Your Blue Pill Social Circle Starts Having Babies

Yesterday, I was on my Instagram and saw a pregnancy announcement from an acquaintance's wife in my social circle. I don't particularly like her. I find it annoying to be around her the 1-2 times a year I ever randomly see her in person. Right now, there are 3 women from my local area social...

www.sosuave.net

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

POD? Wtf is that? You kids needs to stop inventing terms damnit.

proof of delivery?
Payable on death?
Print on demand?
Portable on-demand storage?
Power of diversity?
Point of difference?
Pillar of defense?

 

[Bokanovsky]

You know, you will stay with yourself and work more and more in household affairs, and the biggest problem is who helps you when you come from work, and regardless of the depression that occurs when a person is alone as he gets older, just explain this to me.

You can be in an LTR without getting married. Fewer and fewer people are getting married these days.

 

[Scaramouche]

Hi Pierce,
Thanks for your timely comments on acronyms,drives me mad too,I think they do it to elevate their status to being keepers of arcane knowledge.

 

[Solomon]

As a guy whose been on the forum on and off for over 15 years. I have lived all types of lifestyles from Monk Mode, No fap, Player lifestyle chasing after thots in the club, Social circle lifestyle, Traveling lifestyle etc. None of these really brought fulfillment because I was running from my personal relationship with God. I have dated or dealt with various women. Girls that work ordinary jobs, girls that were major thots, Trust fund upper-class chicks, you name it

When I get married it will be with a woman who loves the lord and will follow his law and his decrees. I understand the risk but I'm not planning on staying in the states forever I have an exit plan to get out within 10 years hopefully and will be moving to a country that's up and coming and far more traditional than the USA

 

[CornbreadFed]

Every man is one good bj from a feminine 7/10 or above away from the pvssy plantation.

 

[Scaramouche]

Hi Bokanovsky,
" You can be in an LTR without getting married. Fewer and fewer people are getting married these days."And we all know why,but the sad thing is that this leaves our Societies breeding from the bottom end of the genetic pile.

 

[Scaramouche]

Hi Solomen,
Yes I have followed your progression over the years....The supreme architect of all this shambles has a habit of laughing at ten year plans,reason being that during your journey your efforts change you.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Having been through the humiliating wringer of the Family Court System twice,I wont be going that way again.

And who could blame you. Being a "client" of the family court system is in many respects even worse than being an accused criminal. In a criminal matter, the case against you has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt before a jury of your peers. In family court, you are entirely at the mercy of the judge.

 

[Giovanni SouthSide]

The only permanent situation for me is building things so that I can allow myself to do whatever I want and not feel like I don't have any options. That's the real game, regardless of if you are in relationship or not.
When you are trapped and cornered, you don't have game.

That said, I always maintained that if I ever have a family I can't do it until my sh1t is together which I'm pretty far away from now. Sh1t together meaning a good traditional woman that hasn’t been rubbed raw to many times and be stable in a healthy relationship. I reciprocate to that good behavior without getting some strange on the side. Even more importantly, my money right. I know it's never the perfect time, but after a pretty dysfunctional childhood, it was the promise I made to myself.

In some ways, most guys on this site (who take this lifestyle serious) will be players for life. Or they get LTR’d, vanish to the sunset but the b!tch goes rogue and they will be back.
The skills you've acquired through years of gaming have to be applied even when wifed-up.
How to hold your frame, starving the hamster, and constantly displaying DHV are tools that seem like chinese arithmetic to the avg. square.


Some guys talk about being afraid of dying alone.
I'm not afraid to die alone. I was molded by death. In the end, everyone dies alone. You can't take people or things with you.
The last thing I want is people hovering around me when I am dying. I just want some hot nurses with some sponges and let the white light come for me.

 

[obelisk]

It is an 18 year to life sentence. Even after age 18, children do still require some parenting. In the last 20 years, we have seen a trend of more 18-29 year olds living at home with parents.

If you have a child or multiple children with a woman and then separate from her, you're still going to need to co-parent with her for life. Co-parenting won't end when all children have turned 18. You're still going to be dealing with her for holiday celebrations, graduations, birthdays, weddings, etc. even after the children turn 18. That sounds miserable.

Actually in the US these days it's a 23 year sentence. It's not 18 years by a long shot these days. Assuming she has primary custody, you will a) be paying her child support until the child is 23 yrs of age or graduated with their Bachelor's Degree (whichever comes first) b) you will be paying 1/2 or 1/3 of the child's college tuition on top of that.

All of that is before you come to grips with being forever tied to the woman through your children for the rest of your life.

Whether or not marriage and fatherhood are for you are ultimately personal decisions. However, you need to wrap your head around the realities of divorce and family court given the statistics. It is definitely NOT only for 18 years.

 

[Scaramouche]

Hi Giovanni,
Very well thought out response....To expect your Kids to respond to your needs in later life,is the ultimate folly,in fact it really goes the other way round,right to the end many see you as a continuing ATM...People like our own Corrector who has sacrificed so much to care for his aging Parents are Gold,I really hope they find their reward in another place......I have five kids and seven Grandkids...One,just one can now be relied on....Crazy as I might be,I blame believing that they were blank Slates was my fatal oversight,very late in life I came to realise that we all come into this World with a personality half formed,and perhaps a destiny already determined.

 

[zekko]

I would buy gold with that money otherwise it wont mean anything next year.

I've thought about buying gold. Not as a hedge against inflation so much, it's just that I'd like to have it, I think those gold bars and coins are cool. Kind of like a leprechaun. But the problem with gold is you can't sell it without paying capital gains on it. But if you think the coming disaster is going to wipe out the IRS, I guess that wouldn't be a worry.

I've also thought about investing in precious metals as a diversifying tactic, but I never got around to it. These days I don't like the thought of contributing to my IRA since I'm already retired, and you have to wait five years before you can spend what you put in there. At my age, I might not live another five years, but I hope to.

 

[Bokanovsky]

I've thought about buying gold. Not as a hedge against inflation so much, it's just that I'd like to have it, I think those gold bars and coins are cool. Kind of like a leprechaun. But the problem with gold is you can't sell it without paying capital gains on it. But if you think the coming disaster is going to wipe out the IRS, I guess that wouldn't be a worry.

If you really believe in the coming disaster, stockpile on ammo, non-perishable food items, antibiotics and gasoline. Gold won't do anything except get you killed.