Are We All Here At SoSuave, Some Sociopaths?

[Tenacity]

I wanted to start this discussion because whenever there's a mass shooting that takes place, people always like to refer to the concept of the "Sociopath" and the "Lone Wolf" as being apparently "obvious" signs that a person is about to go on a shooting spree.

The issue with this is that I can easily be fit into these categories or "obvious signs" of a person about to go on a murdering spree, let's run them down:

- Outcast of the black community based on not being apart of the current "black thug culture" landscape.

- Outcast of the white community because even though I'm not "one of those blacks" who commit various crimes, you are still judged initially as one until you are eventually proven to not be one.

- Outcast of modern society in terms of the defined roles of what a Man should do which is get married, have kids, and work at a soul-sucking job. I have opted out of marriage, opted out of having kids and I run my own Sales Office which is my passion.

- I don't do what "normal" guys my age and at my level of income status would do, which is drink, party, do drugs, and try to screw as many woman as humanly possible. Instead, I've been spending the bulk of my time working out, working on my Career, investing, and doing things with my time that have mainly NOTHING to do with women or the general "social" world.

- I don't have a stable family structure, no relationship with my Father and no "real" relationship with my Mother anymore.

- I don't have what you would call "best guy friends". All of my guy friends are people I do business with and that's more on a professional level.

- I'm not in a "committed" relationship right now with a chick, mainly because I've been spending the bulk of my time on working out, career tasks, investing, etc. and just don't have the "passion" to be in a committed relationship right now.

- I participate on Manosphere Forums, which have been labeled as hating women.

But I'm sitting here thinking over my situation and I'm like, if someone ever TICKED me off to where I got into a fight and hurt/killed them, or got into a beef and one of us ends up dead....aren't I a prime candidate to be labeled a "Sociopath"?

Wouldn't the Media point to my situation and say, "See, this guy was a Lone Wolf, he spoke on Manosphere Forums and hated women, he also didn't have a good relationship with his Mother, it's obvious he was crazy!"

Hey listen, I have anger issues and frustration issues over the current standing of the world like a lot of people. I doubt I will go on a mass shooting spree, I just get my anger/frustration out through doing a RANT and usually that makes me feel better.

But I'm just saying....are any of you guys in this same situation? Where if you actually looked at your life, you could be labeled a Sociopath?

 

[Sik]

Are you sure you're black, Tenacity? Because you seem 100% white to me, man.

If you're ever in CA, hit me up. I'll buy you a beer and we'll find some girls to pound, guaranteed!

 

[Who Dares Win]

I can relate with what you said both in terms of lack to family and social connection and also in terms of having a different goal than the one we are "supposed to have" to fit in modern society, same thing in terms of rules and obligation which I refuse with no second toughts.

Lone wolf as well, feel no need to limit my liberty for something which I desire but surely not as much as being the sole owner of my life.

Add to this that Im slightly paranoid, superstitious and not interested in respecting the laws which I find unjust (I said unjust not uncomfortable).

What we observe from those media attacks, its the attempt to shame those like us which dont have the priority to fit in a society in which they dont feel they are part of.

Their attempt is not to include us so we can all live merry and heppy, their attempt if to paint a bar code on our neck and throw us in the queue with all the other cattle, its not a matter of feelings or good will but of control.

The teacher which tries to include the kid sitting in the bottom doesnt do it cause she cares about him, she does it cause she is afraid that others will follow his example or that he himself will invited them to join him.

Regarding being a lone wolf well, sorry but if the show sucks Im not gonna wait in line for hours, pay a ticket and compliment the director to show Im one of the "approved".

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Watch the TV Show "Dexter." That is an example of a sociopath. If you feel any kind of emotional pain (fear, love, etc) you are NOT a sociopath.

People tend to use those words without really knowing what they mean.

I think people tend to use those labels as it makes it easier to distance themselves emotionally (I'm NOT a sociopath like him!) without identifying.

Everybody gets pissed at the same things. It's just a matter of degree. Some people can handle anger, and bleed it of in healthy ways (exercise, venting on message boards etc) other people decide to buy guns and kill people.

So long as you own just a little bit of responsibility for your situation (or at the very least how you respond) you've got nothing to worry about.

Mad killers tend to blame the world for their problems.

 

[sodbuster]

No, I may be more concerned about ME than the average person. OR maybe just more honest....

 

[Slickster]

The truth is out. We're all weird.

 

[Desdinova]

- Outcast of modern society in terms of the defined roles of what a Man should do which is get married, have kids, and work at a soul-sucking job. I have opted out of marriage, opted out of having kids and I run my own Sales Office which is my passion.

Yup, but I already have a kid and have been married.

- I don't do what "normal" guys my age and at my level of income status would do, which is drink, party, do drugs, and try to screw as many woman as humanly possible. Instead, I've been spending the bulk of my time working out, working on my Career, investing, and doing things with my time that have mainly NOTHING to do with women or the general "social" world.

Yup, but I invest a lot of time in my hobbies

- I don't have a stable family structure, no relationship with my Father and no "real" relationship with my Mother anymore.

Yup. I still see my parents, but the relationship isn't all that great.

- I don't have what you would call "best guy friends". All of my guy friends are people I do business with and that's more on a professional level.

Yup, but most of my "friends" are just acquaintances that I see on a regular basis at my usual hangouts. Many of them are women.

- I'm not in a "committed" relationship right now with a chick, mainly because I've been spending the bulk of my time on working out, career tasks, investing, etc. and just don't have the "passion" to be in a committed relationship right now.

I'm in one, but I'm not taking the status of it too seriously. It's just a thing you have to do to keep the woman happy.

- I participate on Manosphere Forums, which have been labeled as hating women.

Yup, especially hating fat women.

I guess it's time to go on my spree.

 

[Tenacity]

Great responses guys, it's always been something that's been in the back of my mind lol. It's like everytime some guy does a mass shooting, they always talk about how he had these obvious signs of "mental illness" because he was a Lone Wolf or something.

I honestly think a lot of guys (especially those taking the Red Pill) are very similar to me in a number of ways just like how a lot of you guys that responded here are. We aren't focused on doing the traditional, stale, outdated routines of life anymore.

We define life for how we want to define it, determine our own goals, and chase after them.

For example, my passion right now is my Career/Business/Investing related. Also I like the Workout aspect of my life because (if you guys have been following my thread in the H&F section) my six pack is in, body fat is low and chicks like my body . So I try to spend the MAJORITY of my time, money, etc. on these aspects.

But there are guys out there who just want to sit around and play video games. Basically they just want to make "enough" money to be able to survive and tell the world to go to hell.

I believe we should be able to define our lives how we see fit and if we decide to be a Lone Wolf, I don't see how that in and of itself is a sign of a "mental illness" to go shoot up a theater lol.

 

[Poonani Maker]

- I don't have a stable family structure, no relationship with my Father and no "real" relationship with my Mother anymore.

This is yours and my and most black peoples' (I'm not black) problems right here. My Father never really taught me a damn thing and was not "close" to ANY of his sons. My mother, while close to me initially and loved me and still does and EVERYBODY who comes into contact with her seems to remember and ask me about her. She has a massive effect on just about everybody, just spiritual, trendy as well, and just smart intelligent (and apart of the women's rights mov't from decades ago unfortunately - she won a case to forward equal pay for women). So she disagrees with my views entirely and how I live to a degree, but she Still loves me no matter what so obvious.

Just wish my Dad had taught me ALL or most of the Man things that I needed in early childhood (but he said, "You didn't ever listen..." or kinda "you were impossible to teach" which isn't true, he was just LAZY and I think he may know my forum name here so if he's reading this right now, that's what I believe, Dad). Now that we have Youtube and I could technically learn all those things on my own...uh, now I'm lazy and time has past. I learned on MY OWN how to tie a fly fishing. Car maintenance stuff I Still don't know. Many things I still don't know that a man of the household
should know.

But 2 parents LOVING one another in the home is Vital to your being in business, relationships and on and on and on. THAT is the major problem for most who have relationship problems.

 

[Fruitbat]

Sociopaths are distinct. I work with some.

Those who will single out weak and vulnerable people and exploit them. They can be charming to those that matter, then turn on a sixpence to those that don't. They will frame colleagues, they will do anything for self advancement. They are often known as the charming, gregarious one. If you've known them a long time you see true colours.

I've worked with one who is in direct competition with me for resource, and he has buttered the management whilst defaming me constantly. An olive branch is offered when he wants a favour. He is much older and wiser than I but I often wonder how he sleeps. He's done one on me over and over. Taught me that some people can't be reasoned with, they are just aggressive uncaring bullies who need to be avoided at all costs.

 

[BeTheChange]

Watch the TV Show "Dexter." That is an example of a sociopath. If you feel any kind of emotional pain (fear, love, etc) you are NOT a sociopath.
.

That is an incorrect definition.

Sociopathy is characterised by a distinct lack of empathy and extreme levels of self interest not a lack of emotion.

Sociopaths may still experience fear, hate, anger, jealousy and other negative emotions. They tend not to experience emotions such as love because these are associated with..wait for it...empathy.

 

[speed dawg]

Tenacity, I think I know you pretty well (as well as you can via an internet forum), and I can pretty much say you are not a sociopath basically because you are thinking about these things and starting threads like this one. Sociopaths do not concern themselves with deep thought at all.

Now, I do think you're overly bitter about some things (understandable seeing your background), but not a sociopath.

It's just like your thread the other day about caring. To an extent, we all care what others think just like we are all out for #1. It's the obsession, and the lack of caring FOR others, that makes you a sociopath, like the BeTheChange said.

 

[zekko]

It's the obsession, and the lack of caring FOR others, that makes you a sociopath, like the BeTheChange said.

Right, they have a complete lack of empathy for their victims. They will fvck people over without any regard for them. Why the manosphere chooses to hero worship these diseased pieces of garbage is beyond me.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Tenacity, the answer to all your problems lies outside the border.

 

[evan12]

OP: I think depression and lack of meaning is what push these mass shooters to do so , and maybe you are depressed or bitter , which you should be careful
I dont think the new trend of mass shooting is made by sociopaths , for example Eliot Roger was just a depressed bitter person who was rejected by every one (at least that how he was seeing the world ) .

 

[Fruitbat]

OP: I think depression and lack of meaning is what push these mass shooters to do so , and maybe you are depressed or bitter , which you should be careful
I dont think the new trend of mass shooting is made by sociopaths , for example Eliot Roger was just a depressed bitter person who was rejected by every one (at least that how he was seeing the world ) .

Elliot r and others are IMO a result of the pill and feminism.

The old world regulated human breeding choices on natural lines - reality. If you wanted sex as a woman, you could quite easily end up pregnant. You therefore chose qualities other than six packs, aggressive ******* behaviour and tattoos. A woman had to really think about who she gave her vagina to, and chose not soley based on sexual stimulation. Men as well would select pArtners based on ability to raise children.

Modern society has reduced mating and courtship to mere animal lusts. The dumbest have the most children. The john galts, the men who make the world tick, end up alone as their money is extorted from them via taxation.

Elliot r is a symptom of this. This is blue red pill all over. We still hang on the the idea that if we do x y z we get a b c. Not so, men have been reduced to the level of femLe bimbos where those so lacking in any mental capicity other than pounding weights, doodling on themselves etc Are the new guardians and sperm donors of the next generation.

Expect more angry shootings. Where the balance of nature has been so disrupted by removing breeding responsibility from one sex, the disenfranchised males of the other with nothing left to live for can and will end up angry and desparate.

 

[Tenacity]

Great discussion guys.

I wanted to just bring attention to the fact that a lot of us on this Forum (in my opinion) can be prime candidates for these types of labels.

But even further than that, let's look at the false rape allegations or fake sexual harassment claims?

I often have women come over to my apartment, most of the time we end up fvcking or doing something sexual, very rarely does a chick come over and we DON'T do anything sexual. How easy is it for a chick to say I did something to her in my apartment in terms of a sexual crime related act? And think about everything I've already listed about my situation, don't I fit the prime candidate profile of someone that would do something like that lol??

And we all know that if a chick says you did something, all she has to do is round up other chicks who will also say you were crazy or a little "off" in some way. All a chick has to do is go on a Facebook page and find chicks I have fallen out with to say "Yeah, Tenacity was X, Y, and Z." She could use that hatred to formulate a case.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid? I don't know, but when you look at how easy it is for someone to just accuse you of anything and people just BELIEVE the accuser because her delivery was "on point," do you realize that your life can turn into hell in literally one day?

Just think about it guys......think about how easy it is for a woman to accuse you of something and how easy it is for her to get people to believe her. And EVEN after it's proven you did nothing wrong, people will STILL think you did it just because you were accused of doing it.

I mean this shyt just scares the fvck out of me, just to be honest here. I just think about all of the chicks I've been talking to, all of the chicks I have ticked off in one way or another through just using them for sex or cussing them out or just talking down to them about their situation in life.

I have never hit a chick or done anything sexually out of line to a chick (of course), but I have cursed chicks out, snapped on them, left them standing on dates (left a couple at the movie theater and a couple at the restaurant, they either walked home or called someone to pick them up), etc.

How EASY it would be for a chick to just lie and say, "Tenacity did something to me," and then to go on Facebook and round up these other chicks that I ticked off so they can get up on the stand to say how horrible a person I was to them? Or hell, they can just go on OKC or POF, show my picture, and a GOOD number of women will know who I am to comment on the "sexually out of line" messages I have been sending them on OKC/POF lol. Which of course will be used as evidence that I'm a sexual predator .

I mean does anybody ever think about this shyt like I do lol?

 

[glass half full]

Sociopaths can mingle into "the system", fit in when necessary, and have no feelings of remorse. Pretty sure I lived with one, and worked with/for quite a few... lol.

me, I can't be because I have feelings. But if i'm labeled as one, like the broads who like to label "creepy" guys as "stalkers", well whatever. I really don't give a damn anymore what anyone thinks of me. I am ME.

And I'm sure many of you feel the same way. so F it.

 

[ubercat]

I'm with GHF

I just rang my Dad and Sister. Checked a friend who's sick is OK and made a couple of SS posts giving advice to guys who are doing it tough. The good thing is here that doesn't make me one little bit special.

We built civilisation to protect women and children. And surprise they were ungrateful ;-) we should have seen that one coming.

Given what I'm seeing on the dating and work scenes we have to evolve and band together or we'll go down one by one.

So I think its evolutionary pressure not sociopathic tendencies creating the rise of SS and the manosphere generally.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Great discussion guys.

I wanted to just bring attention to the fact that a lot of us on this Forum (in my opinion) can be prime candidates for these types of labels.

But even further than that, let's look at the false rape allegations or fake sexual harassment claims?

I often have women come over to my apartment, most of the time we end up fvcking or doing something sexual, very rarely does a chick come over and we DON'T do anything sexual. How easy is it for a chick to say I did something to her in my apartment in terms of a sexual crime related act? And think about everything I've already listed about my situation, don't I fit the prime candidate profile of someone that would do something like that lol??

And we all know that if a chick says you did something, all she has to do is round up other chicks who will also say you were crazy or a little "off" in some way. All a chick has to do is go on a Facebook page and find chicks I have fallen out with to say "Yeah, Tenacity was X, Y, and Z." She could use that hatred to formulate a case.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid? I don't know, but when you look at how easy it is for someone to just accuse you of anything and people just BELIEVE the accuser because her delivery was "on point," do you realize that your life can turn into hell in literally one day?

Just think about it guys......think about how easy it is for a woman to accuse you of something and how easy it is for her to get people to believe her. And EVEN after it's proven you did nothing wrong, people will STILL think you did it just because you were accused of doing it.

I mean this shyt just scares the fvck out of me, just to be honest here. I just think about all of the chicks I've been talking to, all of the chicks I have ticked off in one way or another through just using them for sex or cussing them out or just talking down to them about their situation in life.

I have never hit a chick or done anything sexually out of line to a chick (of course), but I have cursed chicks out, snapped on them, left them standing on dates (left a couple at the movie theater and a couple at the restaurant, they either walked home or called someone to pick them up), etc.

How EASY it would be for a chick to just lie and say, "Tenacity did something to me," and then to go on Facebook and round up these other chicks that I ticked off so they can get up on the stand to say how horrible a person I was to them? Or hell, they can just go on OKC or POF, show my picture, and a GOOD number of women will know who I am to comment on the "sexually out of line" messages I have been sending them on OKC/POF lol. Which of course will be used as evidence that I'm a sexual predator .

I mean does anybody ever think about this shyt like I do lol?

They can have you put in jail and you did nothing, or they will simply "burn" you to the group because they can and you where flying high for too long.

In the end we have to judge who we are screwing with, and it will be wiser to deal with folks with a stronger moral compass. I know sosuave is about pounding out babes, but some of these babes can be deadly or set you back in so many painful ways.