Are there guys here from non-western sphere of the world who are Don Juans ?

[DoofusDonutDude]

I really like hearing about real naturals game. If you get a chance. Can you tell us about how this natural gamed girls?

Well, i don't really have a comparison since i don't know any other natural DJs or PUA in real life. Before seeing him in action, i had only heard about PUA and read Models and forgot about it all. I'll try my best to describe when i saw him in action.

So this guy was a childhood friend , he was a loser in high school and **** on by girls then. But he did play the Saxophone and had a terrific social life in university, there through sheer social interaction his social and game senses developed massively. He slayed a lot in the final years of uni.

I reconnected him after a long time and we went to a ski resort. There in a single day i saw him work a group of college girls who were visiting on a girls trip, we were older than them by 4-5 years . We ( mostly him, i was just a silent side character) just approached them and asked them places to hang out, directions and such ( and obviously, the hottest girl was the queen bee of the group who along with a couple of the other girls answered his questions).

Through sheer luck, we bumped into them a couple of other time ( since the ski resort has only few popular tourist haunts) , we invited them to hang near the bonfire outside our hotel, which was opposite to theirs. There he and i talked to them (3 girls including hot leader girl) till 4 in the morning ( he did mention the saxophone playing in an offhand way-- it helps). It was decided that we would meet them for a drink late next morning, when they would be leaving.

Next day, we walked to the bar some distance away. One of the desperate girls of the group ( she had a boyfriend) hit on me ( and i had as much game as a brick).

At the end, my friend said he owed the girl a cup of coffee because she paid for the drinks ( my friend and i were sloshed from the whisky we had after 4 am chat previous night so it was only the women who drank) hot leader girl said " No" multiple times arrogantly, my friend playfully said "Yes" and insisted ( but not like a simp, like in a ****y smiling confident way) , while walking back she left her group to walk with him. The group soon left and the hot girl did agree to meet him for a coffee back in the city. Only when i learnt about **** tests now, i realized she had **** tested my friend then and he had passed. A week later this very chick during text exchanges told my friend she felt his eyes were dreamy and she gets distracted by them.. i never even knew women ever talked like that to men .

The dude talked to like a dozen girls during the whole trip, quite a few of them white ( not a common sight in a conservative asian country, but this ski resort is a hit with white folks due to some haunted and spiritual sites).

The same day he got another girls number, who was a white anthropologist from New Zealand and taller than him. She was visiting like us this cool haunted site and again he pulled his game. By sheer luck she was just next in line to us and was getting a bit bothered by the crowd of local afc dudes in the line ( Its like guys with game are naturally lucky or gravitate luck towards them -- or perhaps they simply take advantage of more opportunities so its seems they are lucky). In the end she hugged him before leaving and gave her his number first. Unfortunately this chick did flake on him later. Seems like she was "benching him".

By this time we had made friends with another dude and he was also astounded at was he was seeing. Let's called him nice guy.

So, back to hotel we see a woman who's a traveling artist. She's average looking. Friend starts talking to her, playful fun vibe . He tells her he's an artist too. Luckily , the hotel guy has a old saxophone displayed on one of the hotel walls, he brings it , tunes it up and plays it. The artist chick draws his picture playing the sax. They decide to meet at night. All of this happens when the hotel owner was smoking weed with the girl and the nice guy we had befriended before both were trying to pull the girl. My friend had swooped in and just stolen the girl from right in front of them. Friend tells me he's scoring today once we go out for a smoke later. I feel skeptical.

Later at night the two go on a cafe nearby, then move on to a walk on nearby riverfront , near night ( dangerous but he doesn't care) he talks with her, flicks her hair and they make out near the river front. He comes back and drops her at her hotel. 30 minutes later she interrupts our hotel room whisky session and calls him out. They make out more. He tells me he's gonna need the room. They have sex while i take a nap and finish my whisky in the hotel lobby. Lucky that it has a fireplace so i don't freeze.

All 3 girls ( including the white chick who flaked on him) agree to meet him in the city. He drops the hot girl from the group once we're back because he feels she's too..arrogant, but she keeps pursuing him.

At a time this guy is talking to 3 or more girls. It boggles my mind how he doesn't mixes up the messages. I show him my messages with one of the girls from the group and he's immediately able to tell where i ****ed up. Women just respond differently to him. The receptionists or hostess when we travel are EXTRA nice to him and give him smiles. Random women he chats up on the street respond pleasantly to him. His lay count is in double digits. He once picked up a girl on a train with just eye contact. He's kind of attuned to it now, all the cues and everything. To him talking to women is like talking to regular folks.

And all of this in a conservative Asian country.

And he's lazy. He extremely social and plays the Sax and dresses well but that's it. Very slightly above average looking, 5'7 and with grooming done right. Has a dad bod. Good career but not extraordinary. He's too lazy to workout. I cannot imagine what he could do if he would pursue the High Value Man stuff ( lifting, getting extra rich etc).

 

[SW15]

In the example above, the Indian-American male would have been more likely to have successful with average to below average Indian/Indian-American women. Many men who knew this guy tried to tell him to stop pursuing White women who were in the 5.5 - 8 range.

If he'd follow that advice he would shrink his pool even further. Much further actually. Because here's the problem: he WILL run into Indian women who are ofcourse westernized and probably, just like the white women he pursued, rather go for white/latin/black men.

I am yet a firm believer that even in such a case something was off about his game . Also you can't conclude that eventually he got a Indian woman and lived happily ever after. Stil a possible might be could be theory.

This example happened many years ago. He moved out of the city where the story I told took place. In his current city, he's still single, he's gained more weight, and he's still struggling with women.

There were many things that were off about his game 10 years ago and are still off today.

 

[DoofusDonutDude]

In the example above, the Indian-American male would have been more likely to have successful with average to below average Indian/Indian-American women. Many men who knew this guy tried to tell him to stop pursuing White women who were in the 5.5 - 8 range.

This forum is depressing as hell, so i'm gonna be leaving it.

All you guys talk about and focus on here are the problems and roadblocks. Race, height etc. etc. all the UNCHANGEABLES.

The posts that's helpful are rare and less and less.

The Book of Pook bought me here and I would like to believe Pook he wouldn't be believing in all this **** that's so prevalent on this forum..if he was still here.

I'm not saying you're wrong about this indien dude , but instead of mentioning stuff he could've done to improve his chances and game , all you guys focus is on the racepill, blackpill, heightpill stuff.. like it's impossible for him to get a hot white chick ( if that's what he wants and he's willing to put the work for it) until he commits suicide and he's born into another life as a 6ft 2' man with blonde hair and green eyes and washboard abs and a to dad that buys him a bentley so he can drive around picking up chicks in it..

What happened to being SELF-DETERMINISTIC y'all?

No wonder people call the manosphere as toxic, jeez.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Again a conclusion that is hard to disprove, or prove, yet it feels like cope. A hot dude=a hot dude. I'll be hardpressed to see a woman declone a top5 percenter because he's not white. Lets say that the non white top 5 percenter will tell you a COMPLETELY different story about white women..

I have experienced this and witnessed this countless of times. Non white men have to niche max if they want to date interracially period.

 

[CornbreadFed]

All you guys talk about and focus on here are the problems and roadblocks. Race, height etc. etc. all the UNCHANGEABLES.

The issue is that instead of acknowledging the struggles of interracial dating, most coaches and guys online immediately dismiss it and start getting instantly triggered. There’s ways for brown guys to get over interracial dating, but for us to even get to that point, we have to diplomatically agree that there’s a problem.

 

[Gamisch]

The issue is that instead of acknowledging the struggles of interracial dating, most coaches and guys online immediately dismiss it and start getting instantly triggered. There’s ways for brown guys to get over interracial dating, but for us to even get to that point, we have to diplomatically agree that there’s a problem.

Oke I gave you a like because I get that.

Yet the route of a "brown guy " is the same as that of a white guy.

He needs to level up period. You can also be the brown guy who's always their " first brown guy". The brown guy who's ripped, confident and knows how to present himself. Plenty of curiosity will be sparked and that's me talking from FIRST hand experience...

Its actually a typical topic which ends in reversed racism ,because it assumes that white guys with the odds stacked against them ( AND the unwillingness to work on them) will have it any easier. The struggle for a mediocre black blue yellow or purple or white men will be the same.

You talk about the pre 90,s where a steady job could land you a decent hb7 or more. Those days are gone UNLESS you live on eastern Europe and you mean them by "white".

 

[CornbreadFed]

He needs to level up period. You can also be the brown guy who's always their " first brown guy". The brown guy who's ripped, confident and knows how to present himself. Plenty of curiosity will be sparked and that's me talking from FIRST hand experience...

This is like a fat woman(different race comparison) or gay man(different culture comparison) hyping them up by saying be their first. Bottomline, they aren’t attracted to you for either your race or cultural differences. Even if you do manage to get one of these girls, they will never be 100% in with you. Good news is that there’s plenty of women willing to overlook these things and make your dating life much easier. Sacrificing your resources and standards to convince a woman to like you for what you are is the very definition of Disney Beta Male Simping.

 

[Gamisch]

This is like a fat woman(different race comparison) or gay man(different culture comparison) hyping them up by saying be their first. Bottomline, they aren’t attracted to you for either your race or cultural differences. Even if you do manage to get one of these girls, they will never be 100% in with you. Good news is that there’s plenty of women willing to overlook these things and make your dating life much easier. Sacrificing your resources and standards to convince a woman to like you for what you are is the very definition of Disney Beta Male Simping.

Wait a second, what are you actually trying to say?

." Bottomline, they aren’t attracted to you for either your race or cultural differences."

But then you say;

"Good news is that there’s plenty of women willing to overlook these things and make your dating life much easier."

I hope you don't mean that "plenty of women" means just women from your own race. Because again, that's extremely shortsighted. You really gotta look around better and see for yourself.

And how can there be a second one without a first one..explain that to me please.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Wait a second, what are you actually trying to say?

." Bottomline, they aren’t attracted to you for either your race or cultural differences."

But then you say;

"Good news is that there’s plenty of women willing to overlook these things and make your dating life much easier."

I hope you don't mean that "plenty of women" means just women from your own race. Because again, that's extremely shortsighted. You really gotta look around better and see for yourself.

And how can there be a second one without a first one..explain that to me please.

What I mean is that there are plenty of women that prefer your race or culture or are open to dating outside their race and culture.

 

[SW15]

The issue is that instead of acknowledging the struggles of interracial dating, most coaches and guys online immediately dismiss it and start getting instantly triggered. There’s ways for brown guys to get over interracial dating, but for us to even get to that point, we have to diplomatically agree that there’s a problem.

Interracial dating is more challenging in general. I feel that as well. When I pursue Hispanic women, I am at a disadvantage as a White male. I acknowledge that. Yes, I can get Hispanic women but there's going to be more effort involved.

As a White male, my best matches are White females. I spend more time focused on White females because of that.

I'm not saying you're wrong about this indien dude , but instead of mentioning stuff he could've done to improve his chances and game , all you guys focus is on the racepill, blackpill, heightpill stuff.. like it's impossible for him to get a hot white chick ( if that's what he wants and he's willing to put the work for it) until he commits suicide and he's born into another life as a 6ft 2' man with blonde hair and green eyes and washboard abs and a to dad that buys him a bentley so he can drive around picking up chicks in it..

What happened to being SELF-DETERMINISTIC y'all?

At the point in time I described, the Indian-American male I described had no chance with White women. During that era, he was routinely rejected in bars by White women.

He was in a tough position for getting White women. He had decent income at a STEM job, but he didn't have an above average body. He would have needed his STEM job + an above average body + a personality with above average charisma. Instead, he was a guy with a STEM job and nothing else that average looking or better White women would have found attractive.

I have seen some overweight, below average White women get into extended relationships with Indian and Indian-American men.

It is possible for an Indian/Indian-American male to get with White women, but it's more difficult, like it is more difficult for me to seduce Hispanic women.

 

[BeExcellent]

Advice from the old lady:

My first boyfriend was half Italian, half Indian. Tall, fit, handsome & very smart (he obtained his PhD in engineering as well as an MBA). He grew up in sub-Saharan Africa, spoke 5 languages and was smooth.

I had a LTR with a Persian Jew (as in fled to US when the Shah fell) from NYC for a year (we remain friends & he has a live in Chinese gf now for 10+ years)…

There are handsome sexy men on every continent except maybe Antarctica. I’m a very pretty blue eyed blonde, and attractive is attractive. We all have our personal preferences but this is not a good thing to get hung up on. I know a guy who I have met in person from this forum who is Indian and killing it with the women he wants. He’s handsome & smart & well dressed & successful.

There is much too much negativity on this thread. The poster above who said there is too much focus on the “unchangeables” is correct. If a man thinks some unchanging trait (like height or skin color) is holding him back? Actually it is his THINKING that is holding him back. Because the unchanging trait becomes his excuse. Some world renowned seducers were ugly. Your mindset is your worst enemy in this.