my friend works out a lot and buys a lot of supplements. he says that nutriten companies lie about the amounts of protein they put in their stuff, like if a shake mix says on the label that it has 52 grams of protein but it really doesnt. Some companies are good but I don’t want to be wasting my money, do you guys think that these companys telling the truth, do they put the right amount of protein in their stuff as the label says.
are nutrition companies telling the truth?
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blackbelt2k
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They cannot lie about what is in their product, or else FDA would nail them to a cross.
Yeah that is what i thought and told my friend that people in the goverment check for stuff but he says the FDA don't really do nothing that it is too hard for the FDA to do it's job being in every factory makinsure the companys are not lying. I am nervous now because most companys lie so why not nutriten companies. . 
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Keep in mind that the supplement industry is unregulated. They can say whatever they want.
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All companies have to put whats in their products or face major MAJOR lawsuites... stick with big companies, and read the labels..If your friend really believed the garbage he was spewing, he wouldn't take supplements, and neither would half the men in the world.
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with supplements, they have to put correct ingredients and nutritional info. However, they are unregulated when it comes to dosage amounts, effects, ect.
Let me chime in here since this is what I do.
First off you are correct about being unregulated. Companies aren't regulated by the FDA, and if you want to put Ginseng, Caffeine and Powdered sugar in there and call it something, YOU CAN.
Now can you mislead? You could, and some companies have, but companies that dont want their butt in jeopardy will try to do the BEST they can. Some companies will have GMP in place, and some go through audits to make sure they are GMP.
You dont have to be, but it helps. Again this is if you MANUFACTURE your own stuff in house. Many companies send product off to have produced FOR them.
There are STRICT guidelines for labeling we have to follow and what must be included on the label. As for amounts, we dont have to go by guidelines. If I want to call a product Caffeine blitz and add 450mg per dose I could, but more than likely the FDA would be knocking on my door because they know its too much per dose, and i'm pushing the limits. Also too, any good supp company knows when to stop. Have you ever seen 1g of caffeine per pill? No, and you never will.
I can say that sure there are going to be errors when manufacturing, and if a scoop says it has what ever in it, will it be exact?
Capsules can be easier than a plain powder or liquid. You have to remember that this stuff gets produced very quick, and as hard as we try to get it perfect we cant always. There may be residue on the mixer, or caught in a nozzle, or residue that got caught at the bottom when it was being mixed.
There are frauds out there, and the thing you dont want is to claim 500mg per capsule for instance and then it comes out to be 100mg. That's WAY off. What if it was the opposite? What if you did Iron and you were double?
With your protein in case, yeah it could be off a few grams, and it probably even is when you scoop it. Unless you actually weigh it on a scale you have no idea exactly.
To be precise you'd have to purchase a PURE protein with no sweeteners, flavors or anything, then weigh it on a scale till it read say 25g, then add it to your liquid. You'd know it was 25g cause you weighed it.
Your protein though will be closer than other ingredients because its a larger amount. Talk about mg or mcg and that is extremely hard to be accurate sometimes. Your label said 5mcg but you had 4.5mcg You know how easy it is to lose .5mcg in production?
Something will always be off, but as long as it isnt HUGE its ok.
The industry is getting stricter, and will become stricter.
My suggestion though is to not worry about something like protein. So what if your error is 2-3g on occasion.
Is one scoop a LEVEL scoop, a heaping scoop. or what? And at that, what is a heaping scoop? I wouldn't be too picky.
Most companies are legit, and great companies because its what they strive for. You cant always weed out the bad apples, but you can make a choice WHAT and WHO you will purchase from.
What you SHOULD be more worried about, is if that next supplement you buy does any more than a Placebo. This is more of a problem then what is in something.
You may buy something that has NO research behind it, or the ingredient, and guess what? There doesn't need to be, as long as they dont CLAIM it does something.
Lets say I put dandelion in a product, and say... May increase strength, and performance. I can do that, and you can buy it, and I dont have to prove anything. Afterall I said it MAY increase strength.
Look back at MMUSA and the liquid creatine. People were buying loads of it, and it didnt do ANYTHING, and had more creatinine in it than creatine. It was a rip off, but they sold it.
Its people like your friend who spreads thing that aren't true. A small margin of error? Yeah, because of manufacturing. Lying? No, except a few bad apples.
First off you are correct about being unregulated. Companies aren't regulated by the FDA, and if you want to put Ginseng, Caffeine and Powdered sugar in there and call it something, YOU CAN.
Now can you mislead? You could, and some companies have, but companies that dont want their butt in jeopardy will try to do the BEST they can. Some companies will have GMP in place, and some go through audits to make sure they are GMP.
You dont have to be, but it helps. Again this is if you MANUFACTURE your own stuff in house. Many companies send product off to have produced FOR them.
There are STRICT guidelines for labeling we have to follow and what must be included on the label. As for amounts, we dont have to go by guidelines. If I want to call a product Caffeine blitz and add 450mg per dose I could, but more than likely the FDA would be knocking on my door because they know its too much per dose, and i'm pushing the limits. Also too, any good supp company knows when to stop. Have you ever seen 1g of caffeine per pill? No, and you never will.
I can say that sure there are going to be errors when manufacturing, and if a scoop says it has what ever in it, will it be exact?
Capsules can be easier than a plain powder or liquid. You have to remember that this stuff gets produced very quick, and as hard as we try to get it perfect we cant always. There may be residue on the mixer, or caught in a nozzle, or residue that got caught at the bottom when it was being mixed.
There are frauds out there, and the thing you dont want is to claim 500mg per capsule for instance and then it comes out to be 100mg. That's WAY off. What if it was the opposite? What if you did Iron and you were double?
With your protein in case, yeah it could be off a few grams, and it probably even is when you scoop it. Unless you actually weigh it on a scale you have no idea exactly.
To be precise you'd have to purchase a PURE protein with no sweeteners, flavors or anything, then weigh it on a scale till it read say 25g, then add it to your liquid. You'd know it was 25g cause you weighed it.
Your protein though will be closer than other ingredients because its a larger amount. Talk about mg or mcg and that is extremely hard to be accurate sometimes. Your label said 5mcg but you had 4.5mcg You know how easy it is to lose .5mcg in production?
Something will always be off, but as long as it isnt HUGE its ok.
The industry is getting stricter, and will become stricter.
My suggestion though is to not worry about something like protein. So what if your error is 2-3g on occasion.
Is one scoop a LEVEL scoop, a heaping scoop. or what? And at that, what is a heaping scoop? I wouldn't be too picky.
Most companies are legit, and great companies because its what they strive for. You cant always weed out the bad apples, but you can make a choice WHAT and WHO you will purchase from.
What you SHOULD be more worried about, is if that next supplement you buy does any more than a Placebo. This is more of a problem then what is in something.
You may buy something that has NO research behind it, or the ingredient, and guess what? There doesn't need to be, as long as they dont CLAIM it does something.
Lets say I put dandelion in a product, and say... May increase strength, and performance. I can do that, and you can buy it, and I dont have to prove anything. Afterall I said it MAY increase strength.
Look back at MMUSA and the liquid creatine. People were buying loads of it, and it didnt do ANYTHING, and had more creatinine in it than creatine. It was a rip off, but they sold it.
Its people like your friend who spreads thing that aren't true. A small margin of error? Yeah, because of manufacturing. Lying? No, except a few bad apples.
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Good advice Omen. I like your posts, continue.
What I always thought. Most supplements are placebo. Focus on your nutrition, get some whey here & there, but let the majority of your food come from whole food.
What I always thought. Most supplements are placebo. Focus on your nutrition, get some whey here & there, but let the majority of your food come from whole food.
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For me, YES, and for the industries sake. If not, then you might as well start kissing supps goodbye.Espi said:
Truth be told, as a consumer, you should care quite a bit what the label says in all honesty. Yes, there are good companies out there, but there are a handful of bad ones.
Strong.... Some are placebo, and there are prob many out there that are. But at the same time there are proven ones too. We know creatine is proven, and those who say otherwise haven't read the studies, or is living in the caveman era. We also L-Carnitine works as well, and many other ingredients.
Some have NO studies out there, and some only a few. You have to just keep up to date and see what you can dig up. Its almost a full time job.
We also know fish oil as a supplement has many studies behind it.
But as I always say just like you did... FOCUS ON NUTRITION. Supplement wont make up for poor nutrition, lack of sleep, terrible lifting, etc etc. Without all of that, all of the supps in the world wont do a bit of good.
The one thing I hate to hear is a newbie come to you and say... Just starting to lift, new to this whole thing, but what supps should I take?
Cant stand that. People who want to take supps right off the bat, and have never lifted, or knows a thing about bodybuilding, staying fit, or what ever it may be your after.