Are Neil strauss and Mystery really pickup artists?

[lookyoung]

Please I do not want to offend anybody. I am not calling out anyone this is strictly for discussion. Many of us think because someone gives great advice that they are a PUA. I think this is far from the truth. Just think about it, guys like shezz, gunwitch on this site. They give great tips but I am sure that many guys on this site and guys in general can out do these guys in real life game.


Neil struass and mystery with there magic tricks. Go to NY or LA and try those magic tricks and see how far you are going to get. I respect these guys mentioned above because they gave me and other guys the drive and included some good tips to sarge girls. But I think they are writers more than they are players.


I know some guys that are great with woman but they can't give advice like these guys above. I guarantee if I could pick 4 guys to go up against these guys in gaming woman for a night my guys would come out on top.


I would love to hit a club with these guys and see how there game works against mine in real life. I really feel that me and others on this site could trump these guys.

In a way these guys are gaming all the AFC's out of millions of dollars. Think about it what would u rather do.

1. Play one on one against lebron james.
2. Fight chuck liddell.
3. Wrestle an olympic wrestler
4. fight mike tyson
5. Race against michael vick.
6. Lift more than a power lifter.
7. Try to hit zitos curve ball.
8. Out game neil strauss and mystery.


Think about it. I don't think anyone on this site can do any of the first 7. But I think many of us can out do the last one.


Lets discuss what do you think...

 

[Jay Jay]

Yep.

The interesting thing about the "Game" is how Style, towards the end, surfs that big wave and realises that the pick up bull**** is really small wave surfing.

JJ

 

[jonwon]

Please I do not want to offend anybody. I am not calling out anyone this is strictly for discussion. Many of us think because someone gives great advice that they are a PUA. I think this is far from the truth. Just think about it, guys like shezz, gunwitch on this site. They give great tips but I am sure that many guys on this site and guys in general can out do these guys in real life game.


Neil struass and mystery with there magic tricks. Go to NY or LA and try those magic tricks and see how far you are going to get. I respect these guys mentioned above because they gave me and other guys the drive and included some good tips to sarge girls. But I think they are writers more than they are players.


I know some guys that are great with woman but they can't give advice like these guys above. I guarantee if I could pick 4 guys to go up against these guys in gaming woman for a night my guys would come out on top.


I would love to hit a club with these guys and see how there game works against mine in real life. I really feel that me and others on this site could trump these guys.

In a way these guys are gaming all the AFC's out of millions of dollars. Think about it what would u rather do.

1. Play one on one against lebron james.
2. Fight chuck liddell.
3. Wrestle an olympic wrestler
4. fight mike tyson
5. Race against michael vick.
6. Lift more than a power lifter.
7. Try to hit zitos curve ball.
8. Out game neil strauss and mystery.


Think about it. I don't think anyone on this site can do any of the first 7. But I think many of us can out do the last one.


Lets discuss what do you think...

I also agree with what you are posting, there just giving basic rules that do help and dragging out to complex stuff.

I go out with guys like last night and opened up with him the hottest women in the club, this guy as not read only of that stuff and i would put $1000 he as fuc*ed more hot women then both of them combined as well as another mate of mine, dont get me wrong i have had my fair share but even i am amazed how easy it really is.

Take for example last night some drunk dude off his face with balls he opened every hot women in the club on the dance floor he could not even walk, and you know what most where receptive.

Simple move over dance drunk and kiss was more then enough

All it takes is balls, that is fundimentally it, even looking shi* hot helps granted but still having balls pulls women, i see it all the time.

Ugly guys, with balls opening women taking charge of the manness and simply doingwhat comes NATURAL.

There is a reason intellignet guys find it hard to get women, we over analyze over think, put too much effort in it, whislt some guys dont think of that and simply go for it.

The better thing is knowing the type of women you want to eventually settle down with thats why this site is better then PUA skills as it ensures you dont or helps ensure you dont wind up with a bad women.

Gettting sex out of a women is easy as ABC, you are all FUC*ING born with it, its ingrained, you dont need to learn it, but we do!

Take the guys on the health forum they dont need this shi* there natural male urge and balls makes them do it anyway.

My mate wants to read it, i told him he does not need it, he would never buy it and i know if he reads it will agree, but he will simply put it down like i did and say 'man there making this complicated' he is fuc*ing 5 hot women and i mean sh** hot women most guys would sell there left nut for, these are true PUA.

But mystery has game it is there also you have to keep in mind he earns ALOT of money from what simply is NATURE.

Also the PU nights that are held getting a birds number is pi** anyone can do it and i mean anyone its getting a rusut after that counts.

I could set up nights make them complex and show guys how to get numbers that is a very easy small part of it.

 

[lookyoung]

JONWON- I agree with most of what you have to say. I only half agree about having the balls. I know guys that are not confident but still have balls. They don't get girls because even though they have the balls to approach, they don't look confident when they do it.


The key is confidence- When your confident you don't have to say anything. You have that strut going and an aura of confidence about you that radiates. Confident people stand out even if they don't say anything.


They shine in a room full of people. For example if I fvck close a HB9 I have strut going on for 2 weeks. And I notice people are more receptive towards me everywhere I go. For example the cashiers at starbucks, girls that I see at the mall. They are more receptive towards me because I have that confidence and that aura going.


The game, sosuave, Dj bible these things are 2% of the game. Confidence is 98% of it......

However after reading the game and being on sosuave it gives me motivation to sarge girls. SO I think these techniques are more for motivation than anything else. It also gives us a sense of community which is important.

 

[jonwon]

JONWON- I agree with most of what you have to say. I only half agree about having the balls. I know guys that are not confident but still have balls. They don't get girls because even though they have the balls to approach, they don't look confident when they do it.


The key is confidence- When your confident you don't have to say anything. You have that strut going and an aura of confidence about you that radiates. Confident people stand out even if they don't say anything.


They shine in a room full of people. For example if I fvck close a HB9 I have strut going on for 2 weeks. And I notice people are more receptive towards me everywhere I go. For example the cashiers at starbucks, girls that I see at the mall. They are more receptive towards me because I have that confidence and that aura going.


The game, sosuave, Dj bible these things are 2% of the game. Confidence is 98% of it......

However after reading the game and being on sosuave it gives me motivation to sarge girls. SO I think these techniques are more for motivation than anything else. It also gives us a sense of community which is important.

Agreed man, confidance and balls is killer.
Some guys simply walk upto a women say hi, next second there at each other and hes on for sex, it is that simple but average guys dont have the balls (confidance to do that).

Tips that work for me.
Less wanking.
Music to get you in the mood.
The right set of mates, ones that approach if you dont, not afc guys who stand around making excuses this is deadly imo.
And simply going upto the women no matter how hot she is.

 

[Dee-Zy]

u guys must know alot of naturals. I used to be skeptic too, but after seeing some videos of DD's seminars, I these guys are good, I would pay to watch them work in the field.

 

[Snow Plowman]

Thats coming from a bad frame of mind comparing who is better than who, your basing success off of someone else. Yes if you go through the process of learning this you can be just as good as all the guys who are awesome. People like RSD, MM, style, etc, these guys are good resources because they have a lot of info on this topic and that is why there are perceived by some people as guys who are way better. But really if you go though the process you could be just as good.

The book "The game" is a entertainment book and style uses his great writing skills to make you interpret the book how he wanted it to be. You are misunderstanding what the magic tricks were for and that is kind of old as mystery doesn't even use magic tricks anymore. (Not in sets but of course his magic shows)

The reason naturals can game women but can't give advice because they don't understand how there actually getting the women. Really guys get women without this because of "State". If you were in state all the time then you'd never need none of this. The thing about this is we consciously know how to get the women, what it is thats getting them, and how its happening. That is something naturals can't do.

See it all goes back to how you frame things and how you're reality is. Because all 7 things you wrote about, if you went through the process then you'd be able to do just as good as them. All the so called "gurus" didn't get good over night.

If you go out for a month everyday and practiced and then seen a guy just learning. If you take that guy under your wing he'd thing your great. Why because he can't see himself doing it. I have a friend I'm trying to teach and he sees me interacting and he goes "wow your amazing" but really I haven't done much and I'm not even that good yet I have a long way to go. But in his eyes I'd look like a "guru".

To me I use them as resources and motivation, because the stories, FRS, LRS are mind blowing. Whether you think they aren't that good our not the guys have all got there social life handled. Look at bella loves jeanna, style wrote and starred in the movie. If he didn't go through the process who would've never known jeanna to get that chance to do it. Look at jeffy and justin timberlakes song "**** in a box".

While I haven't seen top guys approach I've seen students who've learned from them do things that are mind blowing until you actually get better and better. I can go deeper into this but overall your not going to do as good as style or any top guy unless you go through that process of learning it.

These guys are super calibrated and in the long term they will do better. Because while 1 day you may be doing good, all the stuff they've learned have become apart of there personality and there inner game is so solid that in the long run there going to do better. You could see them one night and not pull but the next 3 days they pull. When starting out there is no way your going to remember all the stuff that is being taught but when you get to that point everything seems natural.

 

[lookyoung]

Snow plowman- Your saying that if I started young I would be just as fast as michael vick.Be an Olympic gold medalist wrestler, world championship boxer. I think these guys have god given talent. OUt play Lebron JAMES?????? NO WAY. I don't care when you started.

I am saying this is because each of these 7 situations are guys that are the best at what they do. Guys that make millions because they are the best at what they do. None of us can come close to competing with these guys. These guys are millionaires because they are the best at what they do.

Neils strauss and style are not the best at what they do. They are just great writers and not true players. I honestly feel many of us on this forum can trump these guys in real life.

 

[lookyoung]

Devan- Because as I stated before this gives me a sense of community to go out and sarge girls. Neil strauss in this community is a celebrity. Did you read the game I am sure you did. He is a making money off of people like you.

U calling me a sissy is not very nice:nono: :nono: ..... SOME PEOPLE ON THIS WEBSITE...Whats your point calling me a sissy what are you trying to do? Do I sense a little bit of jealousy here.

 

[lookyoung]

LOL LOL LOL LOL OMG this guy is such a nerd. I am positive he is full of shvt. I wouldn't be surprised if he is a homosexual. I think this guy could carry a conversation with a girl but that is about it. Trust me when it comes down to a fvck close this guy will struggle. This guy is a fvcking salesman and thats it. I am sure he will say he could have fvcked jessica alba that night.


DEVAN THANKS FOR THE LAUGH. YOUR RIGHT I MAY GIVE YOU REP POINTS FOR THIS ONE. LOL TALK ABOUT REVENGE OF THE NERDS LOL

 

[nvictor]

You are all wrong since you didn't get what Neil Strauss was trying to share with you.

But let me ask you a question? Have you entirely read the book before opening it? If not, shut the **** up! I have heard the same things when "Double your dating" and "Attraction isn't a choice" were out.

Let me resume it for you stupid morons: Style tried hard to be a pick up artist, but he never achieved his goal. Style wanted to share the pick up artist world from a writer (what he concludes he does better than anything) point of view.

Don't talk about what you don't know.

 

[lookyoung]

You are all wrong since you didn't get what Neil Strauss was trying to share with you.

But let me ask you a question? Have you the book entirely before opening your mouth? If not, shut the **** up! I have heard the same things when "Double your dating" and "Attraction isn't a choice" were out.

Let me resume it for you stupid morons: Style tried hard to be a pick up artist, but he never achieved his goal. Style wanted to share the pick up artist world from a writer (what he concludes he does better than anything) point of view.

Listen well to me Style is a PUA. If your a guy that has fvck closed over 100 woman then to me you are a pickup artist. Why are you so upset any relation to neil strauss? An honest question for you do you think that neil strauss is actually good at picking up woman.. I think he is just a salesman.However I did read his book and it was pretty interesting, it gives me the motivation to go out and sarge......

 

[nvictor]

DevanE,

you really don't get it. I'm sorry for you, but one day you'll understand that picking up girls is not the end of the world.

Lookyoung, you too don't get it. Style doesn't want to be considered a PUA. And he is not the first. After a level they all don't want. See Mystery, see DeAngelo, Jeffries to name a few...

 

[lookyoung]

DevanE,

you really don't get it. I'm sorry for you, but one day you'll understand that picking up girls is not the end of the world.

Lookyoung, you too don't get it. Style doesn't want to be considered a PUA. And he is not the first. After a level they all don't want. See Mystery, see DeAngelo, Jeffries to name a few...

No, I don't think you get it. Style, mystery and all these guys are making a fortune off of books and workshops. How much do they charge to attend one of there classes..... They write books, charge people ridiculous amounts of money to teach them BS. Come on wake up and smell the coffee.

 

[nvictor]

lookyoung, do you live on earth?
For one if they teach BS then leave this forum right now...
For two they are doing what they know best to make money. I don't say they are saint. But are they hurting somebody? Are they forcing anybody to buy their stuffs?

 

[jonwon]

lookyoung, do you live on earth?
For one if they teach BS then leave this forum right now...
For two they are doing what they know best to make money. I don't say they are saint. But are they hurting somebody? Are they forcing anybody to buy their stuffs?

Look this stuff is great if your new to the game, it as a motivating factor.
But you and others need to understand most of it is simply BS!

I ain’t trying to blow my own trumpet but I personally have fuc* over 100 women, I post it to illustrate a point, I did not do it to be a PUA some could call me a natural, but I am not, but I had the honour of knowing and still know a natural who as fuc*d well over 300 women, as style had that many? I doubt it some how, so who is the playa here, style or my buddie who taught me this game and would put mystery to shame and style.

What do you think this guy does, does he master A1, B2, C3 nonsense, does he balls.

He simply has a lot of confidence and goes out and gets what he wants.

He is not effected by the outcome.
He is not concerned about the result.
Is always cool, calm and relaxed even with a women who is giving him shi*, he even turns it around something I am still learning.
He makes an effort to look good always, not for women but for himself.
He is intresting, but no different to an average.
He as a very high sex drive.

But number one.
He is not intimidated by women at all, he gets sex A LOT, he now has a GF he adores and two kids, he went through a lot of extremely hot women to find this women and he still sleeps around with hot women, he has two GF also.

He does not read that stuff never needed it.

He is simply a man centred around his universe confident and not scared of women.

Now the game e.t.c is simply a method to build CONFIDENCE.
The techniques are there to help the man get confidence and feel good about himself.
Naturals don’t need it, agreed some guys do.

But the formula for success with women is not a book long or an e-book big it is simple.

Look around the Real world for a change and see:
Ugly men, plain men with attractive women, or dating, they have a certain quality about them and that is CONFIDENCE and BALLS to put the effort into what they want. Women respond to powerful men that know what they want, they cant help it, and it shows power when you can approach that slim female and show her she does not scare you, after all you’re a man ain’t you?

The guys are about making money, they know this stuff they also know for every true player there is probably about 400 average guys that would buy into what ever they spin, they make it complicated so guys feel like they get the attributes of a natural, but in reality when you know this game, you see it is all trimmings on a tree that is simply small and as only a few branches.

 

[nvictor]

jonwon, thanks.

 

[jonwon]

Tbh i would recommend these products, some guys really dont get it or are so ingrained in the feminine culture and are sadly nothing but effiminate males, these guys need to be steared on the right path.

the books from GURUS are great and are full of great tips to get the above type of guy in the RIGHT mental frame, something a simple text cant do.

So yes when all is said and done, if you have the cash or the download ideals, get it read it, practice it, it works and then when you really understand it, drop all of it and simply do what comes natural, with your new found confidence.

but personnally i would prefer Gunwitch method as it seems more natural, easy and something that does'nt require a novel to understand, gunwitch is a great read of what i consider a good PUA.

 

[counselor]

I think these guys are entitled to seling there ideas... If people want to buy there books, or attend there classes thats kudos for them. People spend money on stupid things, I just spend $600 on cell phone. Was it a stupid thing to do? Yes, but for me its worth it cause its soo coool

 

[counselor]

I think these guys are entitled to seling there ideas... If people want to buy there books, or attend there classes thats kudos for them. People spend money on stupid things, I just spend $600 on cell phone. Was it a stupid thing to do? Yes, but for me its worth it cause its soo coool