Are drugs (alcohol, caffeine, smoking...) a necessary thing to cope with society reality?

[Sam_J]

Trying hard not to judge but you sound weak. Stop complaining about the state of society and things you cannot control, and find a good challenge for yourself. The main problem with men today is we are not being challenged. We are being distracted by stupid video games, sports, porn, pandemics, etc, etc. Get your chin up and find a challenge for yourself and that challenge will become your "drug".

Growth and progress can be addicting with the right mindset.


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So are veterans who drink to cope with PTSD "weak" to you?

 

[Black Widow Void]

If you’re getting dopamine spikes from something that you do over and over (gambling, social media, eating unhealthy foods etc...) then it’s no different than pharmaceutical or street drugs (you’re altering your brain for the trade off of pleasure.) Unlike some members that preach, I openly admit to indulging and with no shame.

Reality can get boring. Most people behave and think like cardboard cutouts. I find these folks more tolerable and amusing when my brain is soaked.

 

[Modern Man Advice]

I'm questioning that thing you said. This is very motivational and I think its useful sometimes.

But I don't know if its healthy to assume that we should not be weak. What is the problem of being weak? Wasn't it a weakness mindset trying to believe that we are not weak? Like denying that we are not perfect of strong enough.

And wouldn't be better if we accept that sometimes we can't just be strong enough, and thats ok? Not that we should not pursue it, but not in a sense of blaming ourselves for that. Because it doesn't seem a realistic goal... Life is full of impermanence.

Btw, I'm just throwing questions here ok, cause I think this is a good point of discussion.

It's all good thanks for bringing this up. And I agree it is a good point of discussion.

So let's bread this down:

What is weak? Or at least what do I refer to when I say weak? Let me start by saying this, we, humans, are beautifully imperfect. We all have flaws and whether we want to act tough and "alpha" we are vulnerable beings. And males are not the exception to that. But I think we should separate the term "weak" from the concept of vulnerability. It is absolutely fine to be vulnerable as a man. It is perfectly fine to have flaws but when I use the term "weak" I refer to someone that relies on the escapism of their own reality. Someone that avoids seeing those imperfections/flaws and avoids them, runs from them or hides from them. And often this comes in the form of not taking full responsibility for your own life.

This brings me to my next point, we as men, become men when we take full responsibility for our lives, actions, and thoughts and face them. What I see as the main issue in men nowadays is not being challenged. We escape reality and how "difficult" it sometimes is through porn, video games, etc. Because living in that world we feel like we are winning. That to me is weak. Men lack being challenged o the courage to be challenged. In fact, my company wrote an article about this recently (I will leave the link at the end).

Weak is a mindset. Vulnerability is a state.

Link to our article:

The Biggest Problem With Men Today | Modern Man Advice

We live in a world that makes comfort easy. The biggest problem for men nowadays is not being challenged. Plain and simple.

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Let me know if you have any questions.


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[Modern Man Advice]

So are veterans who drink to cope with PTSD "weak" to you?

That is a whole different conversation. Feel free to create a different thread on that and happy to discuss it there. Just make sure to mention, as part of the discussion how the government fails to honor these men because that is a huge part of that discussion.

But to answer your question, no they are not weak. They are damaged, they are vulnerable. Check out my response to the OP about the difference between weak vs vulnerable.


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[Romanemp22]

Only mentally weak people go after drugs and alcohol to forget about reality etc. Why killing yourself? What you don't like about reality? You have to man up and pull reality by the hair and fvck it really good.

Don't be weak, hit the gym to keep your mind focused.

 

[Alvafe]

If you’re getting dopamine spikes from something that you do over and over (gambling, social media, eating unhealthy foods etc...) then it’s no different than pharmaceutical or street drugs (you’re altering your brain for the trade off of pleasure.) Unlike some members that preach, I openly admit to indulging and with no shame.

Reality can get boring. Most people behave and think like cardboard cutouts. I find these folks more tolerable and amusing when my brain is soaked.

the problem is the dependency, the stronger the drug worse is to live without, plus it always attack something else, and normally it make a dip on your finances, be it adrenalin junkies to drunk or stronger things.

the problem is always ask yourself why the hell you need these to start with and then try to change it, not easy, but most of the time the issues comes from when you compare yourself to others, when you shouldn't care what others do as ong it don't interfere with you

 

[Sam_J]

That is a whole different conversation. Feel free to create a different thread on that and happy to discuss it there. Just make sure to mention, as part of the discussion how the government fails to honor these men because that is a huge part of that discussion.

But to answer your question, no they are not weak. They are damaged, they are vulnerable. Check out my response to the OP about the difference between weak vs vulnerable.


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yeah fair enough. It just seemed like you were generalizing that someone who uses substances is "weak" when you don't know what they've been through. But I might've just read too much into what you were saying.

 

[Modern Man Advice]

yeah fair enough. It just seemed like you were generalizing that someone who uses substances is "weak" when you don't know what they've been through. But I might've just read too much into what you were saying.

No worries, veterans with PTSD and how the government and society in general just simply discard them is a subject that upsets me very much and is a topic that needs to be discussed. So I get it.

But yes, I believe this thread's subject line read "....to cope with society reality." so I took that as your average Joe with a normal life with first world problems.

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[Sam_J]

No worries, veterans with PTSD and how the government and society in general just simply discard them is a subject that upsets me very much and is a topic that needs to be discussed. So I get it.

But yes, I believe this thread's subject line read "....to cope with society reality." so I took that as your average Joe with a normal life with first world problems.

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Yeah I agree, it really upsets me too that our society doesn't take care of veterans and many of them actually end up homeless.

Yeah I agree also that using alcohol and drugs to cope with everyday stresses like work or school or stuff like that is lame and weak (although I've gotten drunk after bad days before haha). I don't have anything against people who use drugs/alcohol once in awhile for fun, but they definitely shouldn't be a crutch for just getting through everyday ups and downs of "society"

 

[Josh Davidson]

I just went 4 weeks (and am still going) without any caffeine to keep my blood pressure within the normal range, but I don't know if I will continue to go without caffeine for much longer. It is more difficult than I thought it would be.

 

[DSterlen]

If I don't say it here then it just doesn't get heard by anyone.
I don't have anybody in my life who gives a toss about me.
I have to keep my mask on day to day just so I can function. So those
I see most often like the people at work and in bars I frequent have no idea
of the pain I'm in. There's not a single thing about my "life" I enjoy.

Get a therapist man. A male therapist who's preferably not too old, maybe in his 50's at most. Most of the female ones are feminists anyway, plus It's much easier to trust and be yourself with another man who's paid to help you and understands your male problems. If he seems like a pu**y then find a new one. It's easy to get stuck in a sh*tty place and end up with a feedback loop that's hard to snap out of. When (not if) he asks you how much you're drinking and sh*t like that, TELL HIM! Don't Bullsh*t him. That's a waste of time, he's seen worse than you, guaranteed.

 

[deadmasterx]

I wouldn't say that drugs are necessary to deal with society, but I woulds say that it is the easiest way to cope with it.

 

[Blacksheep]

I just went 4 weeks (and am still going) without any caffeine to keep my blood pressure within the normal range, but I don't know if I will continue to go without caffeine for much longer. It is more difficult than I thought it would be.

I had to went out on this for stomachal problems. But now I drink gin once in a while.

I think the secret to succeed with caffeine and what workes best for me is. Go for a walking everyday, eat like keto/low carb and sleep at least 8 hours. Also msgnesium, zinc and omega 3 are indicated.

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

Everyone has their copes. Pick your poison: Porn, videogames, religion, money, drugs, alcohol, social media, junk food, escorts, shopping, movies, books and other escapist copes.

 

[Sam_J]

Everyone has their copes. Pick your poison: Porn, videogames, religion, money, drugs, alcohol, social media, junk food, escorts, shopping, movies, books and other escapist copes.

That's actually a good point. Every person on the planet has copes. I say let people do what makes them happy and don't judge them for it.

 

[Lookatu]

SS Copes = Girls

They are a drug to many and they don't realize it, yet shame others for having addictions to other things. Lol

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

Posting on forums is a cope as well. We want to be validated by like minded individuals and the dopamine rush every time we get a like can be addicting.

 

[Lookatu]

Posting on forums is a cope as well. We want to be validated by like minded individuals and the dopamine rush every time we get a like can be addicting.

Hey man, I just spiked your dopamine level a tad. You're welcome.

 

[speed dawg]

I don't see anything wrong with drugs and alcohol in moderation. Drugs can make life better. Only each individual knows if they have the self-discipline to use things in moderation. I don't, however, think you should be using them to 'cope' with anything. Maybe to unwind/relax or something, but that's different than coping.

 

[Maximus Optimus]

I have the key to living long. I have studied this subject quite a bit. From what I have gathered is people that drink like 2 or 3 alcoholic drinks along with an exercise like walking can live the longest. I think its vital to relax in life. Drinking can take the edge off. Other things can do this as well such as exetcise, smoking weed etc. The key is to not overdo your crutch. I right now am considering using kratom to take the edge off. I feel best overall though when I combine a few alcoholic drinks a day with some sort of exerccise whether its weights or simply walking. Keeping the edge off in life will give you a longer life in my opinion.