Are Don Juans made, or born? (Trying to find myself)

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Hey guys, this is ol' me again, and lately I have been having some problems in general with other people, (women, people at work), but what I have been seeking to do was to get help from another source. I have been reading Dr. Phil's Creating the you from the inside out, and he talks about how we have developed into fictional selves, instead of being our authentic selves. I have been doing the exercises in the book, and I am starting to see my authentic self again. Lately, I have been really focusing on changing myself on the inside, because deep down, I am really torn. I can feel my abilities, but I don't believe I have the confidence to use them. I am 21 now, and I am really looking to get some clarity on myself before I graduate college in December and move to California in January......

Most of my problems are just from what I believe, people trying to downgrade me and/or my insecurity problems, to girls rejecting me all the time, etc.

I have notice this, but I dont think it's all the problem, but I have been really wanting a female companion for a long time and I have been trying and approaching for a while and nothing seems to work. So I will try to connect back to my authentic self, do any of you guys go through what I am going through, with trying to find yourself again.
 

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What do you think about my post? I mean, do you experience these insecure problems and not knowing for sure what to do at times, and then constant rejection?
 

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I'm going through the same bout of self-improvement right now, and I'll tell you... some days are better than others. Just don't let anything or anyone (including yourself) get you down - I'm sure you've got a lot of potential going on there, and you've got a lifetime to cultivate it!

Sounds like you're focusing entirely internally though - working out has done wonders for my self-esteem, appearance, and general mood. I'd suggest you hit the gym a few times a week if you're not already, and see how you feel after a few months of physical improvement. It can only help.
 

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It is irrelevant

The question whether or not DJ's are born or self created is not right. Of course some people are lucky enough to have been born with looks or money but that hardly guarantees success. I mean Brad Pitt got dumped by Jenifer Aniston, so looks only mean so much.

Some others out there have been fortunate enough to have been brought into the right series of life experiences that allow them to naturally become a DJ. If your father and your brother were DJ's, then most likely you will be too. But again no guarantees there either.

The only thing that makes a man a Don Juan opposed to to a chump is that he does what is necessary to seduce women. All this site is about is just the various diferent ways of acting.

A Don Juan will take action in his life and not let things just happen to him. He will be the primary mover and not the effect.
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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A Don is made because my belief is no self help book or advice will help you, you have to go through the paces of life to be a Don. The paces of life that I'm referring to is pain, anger, to have your heart broken and to be emotionally broken down so far that you become this guy that doesn't give a f*&ck about anything. I've been through all of this and now my new approach to women is "Hey I'm from out of town I'm leaving in a couple of days, do you want to go back to my hotel?” Yeah I get lots of no's but I do get lots of yes's. But hey this is the way I think and it’s really extreme you shouldn't take my advice. LOL.
 

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Fictional selves? Authentic selves? Those are just terms some people use to gain the attention of others just like advertisements. However, I do not deny that it works for some people. You want to know why? Because it gets you thinking about the issues bothering you. It tells you to do something about it. It says that you have to make the change. Why can't people just say that then? Because most people would just go, "Man, this is the same thing I've heard before and it didn't work before". Well, it didn't work before because you didn't put enough effort into it. Someone doesn't have to tell it to you in some other fancy way for you to make that effort. If they do, then you don't understand the problem as it truly is.

Who you are now is who you truly are. Who you are 10 years in the future is who you truly are. It's only natural for people to change through the years. It doesn't mean that you've found your true self only after all that time.
 

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I do not believe you are born a DJ. Granted there are better natural DJs than others. I believe they learned over time. Like social programming. You learn most of your social programming like 85% by the time you hit 7 or 8 ( i forget which age it is). 95% is learned by the time you hit 18 or so.

Most of the women that have had interest in my i have acted clingy or needy to. I stem this from being attached to my mother during my earlier days as a child. She always nutured me and i would run to her for everything. Then my mother and father got divorced when i was five. It was a bad experience for me during the years right after the divorce. I lived with my dad ever since and hated my stepmom for a while after that because i was use to my mom being the one in the house.

I had to add that b,c i know i feel clingy or needy to woman that like me and that is a flaw that a dj should not have and I am currently working on a mindset to defeat that feeling. I think the above story might have something to do with it and the learning process.

I think everything is learned you just aren't born with it. Just like social programming.
 

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I don't subscribe to the idea that anyone is "born" anything, other than the obvious like being born a dude or a chick, or white or black or Asian, whatever. Sociability is definitely a learned skill, but for most people, it's a skill that's learned at a young age or never learned at all. What the DJ Forum is for, basically, is to get those of us who look on the internet for information how to get girls :)p) up to the level of cool guys who learned how to be social the "normal" way, that is, through normal social growth as a kid.

Re: Dr. Phil "fictional self vs. authentic self". The concept of self, from a social standpoint, is total bullsh*t. A monolithic self is non-existant in the real world. Think about it: you're not the same person with your grandparents that you are with your best friends. Which one's fictional and which one's authentic? They're both, well, both.
 

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Originally posted by PVSSY-EATER
I have been reading Dr. Phil's Creating the you from the inside out,....

COME ON MAAANNNN, I USED TO RESPECT YOU. RADING DR PHILL????:(
 

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i think your only problem is that you have asked the wrong question.

DJ's can be anyone. They are people who have improved that area of their life, and they are seen as good at it.

In regards to your uthentic self, some guys on here have said some pretty ignorant comments about it.

People do 'lose' themselves. But its not doom and gloom becuause you can find yourself again, and feel whole and connected. People take it for granted that they know themselves inside out. I think its an important key to the puzzle, knowing where you are, where you are going, knowing your strengths and weaknesses, limits and pitfalls....at least then you can acurately plan on where you need to go.

But remember, and i think doc phil is big on this point.....its results that you want, its no good saying i 'intend' to do something.....you must ACTUALLY do it. If you want something better its you and you only who is going to get it for you. People can advise all they like, but its you who will end up making the decision and carrying it out.

So good luck to you.

I think you are on the right path.

Dj's are people. People who have become good at something. Everyone had to start somewhere didnt they?

I dont think either that there is a limit to how fast someone can learn. The human mind is exrodinary, so no matter how far you are behind you can make it up. But do it right. Start slow and sure, rather than trying to focus on speed, just like learning the guitar or learning how to walk.

Its how much effort you put into something and the right 'ways' that determines the result.

Doc phil isn't a d!ckhead either. Dont get too comfortable holding his hand tho. You will need to do everything by yourself eventually.
 

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I wouldn't say they're necessarily "born" like when you pop out of the womb you don't instantly try to mack the nurse.

But your powers of observation, how well you absorb what you see and how well you grow into a socil life does determine how DJ you are. In that respect it may seem like you're born a DJ because all of these things happen progessively (yet at different times) during your lifetime.

Being a DJ is in the heart of every man, whether or not a man decides to bring that out of himself is up to him.
 

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The Nature vs. Nurture debate has been going on for centuries.

Genes can determine personality traits, either directly through the structure and behavior of the brain, or indirectly through things like looks and athletic prowess.

On the other hand, socialization is an important factor as well. A genetically perfect homebody will have very poor social skills and probably also be very unmasculine, and therefore will fail miserably whenever he approaches a woman or tries to get laid ...

... while a genetically average man with excellent social skills and who's been through enough to become the tough and confident alpha will hardly need to try.

I guess it's a question of practicality ... are you genetically gifted enough to handle below average social skills or a nonexistent seduction style ...

... or do your below-average genes leave you no choice but to develop a flawless and irresistable game?
 

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An AFC can know that a Don Juan is made, because it's true.

But whenever he takes a long hard look at himself, inside and outside, he can't help but feel that they're born, and that he isn't one of them.
 

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Originally posted by Virtú
An AFC can know that a Don Juan is made, because it's true.

But whenever he takes a long hard look at himself, inside and outside, he can't help but feel that they're born, and that he isn't one of them.
That's really profound...cool.
 

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they're made, however, just like in everything else, some people are born with better genetics and can perform better at it then others.
 

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I have another question, is there a way I can permanently not see (ie. ignore) the author's original post and all posts under Pvssy-eater?
 
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DJ P.E. - start becoming your new self by changing your screen name and your mindset - eating a woman's private part in this age of hordoms and disease is not healthy or wise!!
 

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Self vs No Self

There is No 'Self', there's only likes, propensities, attractions, things we enjoy. Follow me down this rabbit hole...as I posted on this before.

When we come into this world, we follow our fancies. We do our likes. At some point, we "think" we must "know thyself". There's a glaring difference between "knowing thyself" and "knowing thy tendencies." We are all prone to certain behaviors, but these behaviors are NOT who we are; they are merely just actions, programmed by our environment, impressed upon our ego, which may interpret them positively or negatively.


To assume a SELF exists, assume you have full knowledge of the world to say "This Is Who I am!" Is that realistic though? A self would be fixed, never dying, never changing, never growing. Solid. Is anything in this world this way?


Stodgy corporations shed its skin and its dead divisions. Golfers upgrade their swings and overhaul their games. Football players undergo grueling new workouts to break records. The plates of the earth shift. The universe is growing and expanding at an increasing pace. Inflation moves upward as the government prints money. Rivers flow. CHANGE is the constant. GROWTH is the yardstick by which life exists.


You will notice that the people who fight out most, who lash out most, who take greatest offense, feel there is a world or a self to defend. I won't take the EGO trip and say that it MUST be the EGO defending a world that keeps it safe and comfy, though it is, but those that cling to such things must defend every bit as if all life would buy that.


And yes, some here will say "we must have principles, beliefs, values." I agree, but can you force or impress these upon people? Is it a value of your's to FORCE your views on others? If you have a value and someone crosses you on that value, you can stay tight lipped, and realize that they obviously don't have the same value, and move on and forgive. Or try to educate and debate and teach them.


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The search for a self does not exist, never exists. It's a search for the Fountain of Youth, of which only wisdom or knowledge can fix.


Take a look at the world, a GOOD look at the world...you'll notice people are CONSTANTLY looking got something, as if TODAY isn't good enough. But if TODAY isn't good enough, then isn't today, just tomorrow's YESTERDAY??? Isn't it a cycle??? A crazy one.


Guys come here to get better at women. Go to work to make money, to get SOMETHING, emotionally. There's a 'leaning' into life. Yes, aggressive action is the pursuit of man. It is what balance masculine versus feminine tendencies. It's our strength. It's our attraction. But even a hunter knows that if a deer gets way, another will come along. He does not become the prey by failing on the principles that give him advantage over HIS prey. There's a point where aggressive actions becomes passive submission, and that's a point where I think many guys who seek women so intently end up. They want women so bad, all other aspects of their life fail. It's as if they're given 20 value points, and instead of being acutely effective in a few, or having varied interests, they bet them all on WOMEN. In reality, men can persue those loves and passions they have in life, and GAIN all the skills they NEED to attract women.


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You can attempt to act alpha, like you don't care, don the attitude, OR actually go out and join activities, follow your heart and gut and desires, and DO you, not just ACT. Acting is only pretending, it's not doing. Doing is being. Only by doing can you be. You can't be a golfer by owning golf clubs, or going to the golf range. You can only be a golfer, by doing golf.


You can't be a seducer unless you're SEDUCING, as in the act. Only the action of doing gives you the title of being.


The point at which someone can be dubbed a don juan if that is a title you aspire to, or any type of player, or mack, or whatever your individual title is, is when you have results, verfiable by OUTSIDE sources AND you can teach it. But seduction isn't just what you say, it's your total game. Your total life. YOUR life seduces, because WITH IT, you gain an indominable edge. You can speak the best words, but if you lead a shady life, carry an air of awkwardness, and so forth, your life will rat you out.


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No self exists, because we were never BORN a just a self. I watched as my Grandmother passed away this week. I missed her last breaths by mere minutes. But, I'd last seen her 1 week ago, and was able to draw comparisons from then to now, with remarkable differences. Now, I'd never seen a person go from FULL of life, to LIFELESS. Sure, I've been to funerals, but the body is dressed up. Fake. The spirit is gone much time ago.


When there's life, no matter how incapable the BODY is of movement, of action, THE EYES say ALL we need to know. They're so immediately close to the mind, that it shows all. I remember looking into her eyes as she was on a ventilator, feed bags, cathoder, and any other tool used to sustain life in a body. Despite all these machines, the life of her body was fading, by the life of her soul was present still. And in her eyes, she could acknowledge everything I said.


After she had passed, you could see her body became cement, the cells losing their motion, their life, their constant growth, the source of the wellspring. There was no pain, she just left her earthly vehicle. I could not SEE with my eyes what she would say, but in my MIND I'd spent enough time to know what she WOULD say. The body though lifeless, was now void of a soul. You can tell it wasn't as simple as someone unplugging a tv set and the energy just stopped and went internal. It wasn't an unplugging of the mind from the source, but a release. A peaceful sleep, into a beautiful dream.


To say a self exists is to discredit the power and potential of the spirit, of a unversal mind. Of beings and things beyond us. No, a search for the self is boring, because it ASSUMES a certain template is laid for your life you must FIND through trial and error, giving you no joy to take pleasure in the fruits of life. Searching for a self means, if you CHOSE something different, that wasn't your CALLING or your SELF, you'd fix it. OR, would it mean that no SELF exists???


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As an aside, of all the people I know who are happy, they are the ones making measurable progress in life, doing what it is they enjoy, with forward thinking toward the future. A cousin of mine started out as a Civil Engineer at UMO, interning at various companies. He worked part-time in the summers at a pizza joint, until he began helping his friend at a concrete form company he'd started. Just recently he became a co-partner, completly out of left field. He originally never did construction, then began slow for extra money and to help a friend. THEN, his friend offered him a parternship, NOW, at 22, he's a co partner and changed his major to Construction Management, when he originally was civil engineer. That's not a big gap, but who would have predicted Concrete Co-Partner? If he had limited himself to a journey, rather than trying and doing life, he never would have found this new endeavor with the sweetest work season, May15 to the fall, upon which he returns to School full-time.




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