Are all friendships based on self-interest?

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Is there any such thing as a self-less friendship? Aren't all friendships ultimately based on what that person can do for you in some form or another? And when that person is no longer fulfilling that use, their value to you begins to diminish and the friendship eventually weakens or dissolves altogether.

So does it seem to you guys that friendship, even the friendship of your best friend(if you have one) is nothing more than another extension of your own self-interest? That your friend serves the self primarily, and once he cannot do that, he is stops being your friend.
 

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Everything we humans do is motivated by selfish self interest when you break it down.

EVERYTHING.

Even risking one's life to save another is a selfish act since the selfishness at play in that case is the person protecting their conscience/mental health/mental well being by risking their own life to save another.

In other words they only rescued the person from say getting hit by a car and killed so that they didn't have to feel bad the rest of their life from their mind making them feel bad.

To rescue the person was selfish self interest motivated to prevent negative guilt feelings for not doing so.

Acts like this are commonly called selfless by moralists but when you break it all down to whats really at play you see it is anything but a selfless act.
 

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I could start off about the three types of friendship outlined by Aristotle, but I don't think anyone want to hear that. So here's my viewpoint (relatable but more from my own thinking/experience leading to my thoughts).


One can view that everything is a "trade" of things. We are all stuck in the "algebra of wants and needs" and some people have more of one thing and we have more of the other. Therefore, it is arguable that all our friendships, even our relationships to family is a trade to get what we desire or need.


However, I think that leave out two major factors.

1. What the kind of self-interest bond. Two guys who became friends because they buy merchandise from each other is obviously very weak as those two have motives of making sure that they stay customers for each other. However, two friends that became friends because they like each other company and reason to be around is because they like the person around cannot be categorize as one and the same despite both project their self-interests and thus a wish for the other's well-being.

2. The type of people. A person who takes friendship more seriously will give more attention to friendship. It is arguably such a stance is a self-delusion/construct as there no absolute reason to stand by a friendship just for the sake of it (to be selfless, since it cannot take account of the self, it is almost always an irrational act). However, if one does, then ones does, thereby a selfless act. Thus, if one take friendship with heavy weight (meaning put large concern for their friends and etc.), they will act accordingly even if the exchange is only for the sake of the friendship (selfless act).


Is it always self-interested? Yes, because everything can always be broken down to a desire and that is always from within. However, what are the interests of the self prioritize and the value a person put into friendship makes alot of difference.
 

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Friendships are based upon a shared self-interest. That is the point of being around the other person - what you have in common with them.
 

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Is there any such thing as a self-less friendship? Aren't all friendships ultimately based on what that person can do for you in some form or another?
Yes, all human behavior is driven by self-interest. I enjoy friends for shared company. Perverse ulterior motives (e.g. a con artist befriending you), non-mutual interest, is the only time when self-interest is a real issue.
And when that person is no longer fulfilling that use, their value to you begins to diminish and the friendship eventually weakens or dissolves altogether.
It would be absurd if friendships were unconditional. How absurd would it be for you to remain friends if your best friend of twenty years started punching you in the face and stealing money from you (thus the friendship no longer awarded your self-interest of good feelings)?

Friendships are bonds formed between like-minded individuals within a restricted geographical and temporal context. Contexts drift apart over time and thus friendships come and go. Like Quicksilver says, just enjoy the time.
 

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Cr1msonKing said:
I liked the blog. How'd you come across it?
Just ran across it from a link he'd posted somewhere else. He's a Jamaican guy that claims an IQ of 182. His writing depth seems to concur.
 
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