APS mesomorph

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Hey all,

hope you're all smashing the Iron and smashing personal bests.

Just thought I'd give a shout out to an incredible pre-workout drink I came across recently.

It's called 'APS (Advanced Performance Supplements) Mesomorph,' It's insane. Name is kind of funny though.

It's a little pricey, and comes in a small container but, Damn son, that **** hits the spot like no other.

Insane concentration, energy, pumps. Best thing is, the energy/concentration/pump doesn't die off. It increases throughout the workout. The ingredient list is extensive, and I don't know what half of it means (Even though i study health!!) but it sounds good, haha.

It's like you're on speed (I've never taken speed, but from what i hear the effects seem similar). I'm still buzzing and i Had an intense 2 hr workout. 30 second rests, timed to the dot and I still had energy left over. Only reason i stopped is cause i felt so bloody hungry.

I still came home and jumped rope for 1000 repetitions though.

Only downside, if it's a downside at all, is that it's hard to contain all this energy. I want to go run a mile, but i just had a shower and i don't want to have a shower again. (Oh, my nipples are really hard though... too much info?)

Have taken it for a number of sessions and I haven't crashed or anything yet.

I've previously taken N0 shotgun, No explode and Jack3d. those products pale in comparison.

Stats prev. (working sets/reps 4/8-12)
height 5'8.
weight: 73kg

Bench: 80kg
Deadlift: 110kg
Squat: 110kg
Overhead press: 60kg

Stats Current (About 1 week later)
weight: 74kg

bench: 90kg
Squat: 120kg
Dead: 130kg <--- !!!!!!
Overhead: 60kg <-- =(

These stats are probably piss weight for 1/2 of you here but they're going up and i feel great as well!

Anyway, just thought I'd give a shout out for the product, seems very good - anything to help my fellow Iron lifters out there.

Peace!

Btw. I am not affiliated with the product in any way, I'm just your average lifter.

 

[runner83]

I second this through what I've heard.

I was using jack3d when my mates switched over to mesomorph and were raving about it.

I was going to finish off my jack3d and then switch.

Unfortunately I broke my humerus (upper arm bone) about 8 weeks ago so weights are off the program for some time.

But once I restart and finish off my jack3d, definitely plan to give this a shot.

 

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Take about a month off after the jack3d then jump onto the mesomorph. It is intense stuff. You will not regret it.

 

[StateOfMind]

PRE workout supplements are pointless and unhealthy, no matter from which brand...
If your an advanced lifter, hell even an ameture, you will have some sort of fixed program that your following. So why spend money on something that "Amps" you up for the workout when your gonna do X workout for X amount of reps anyways... " oh I need this extra energy so I can do my routine that I've always done" LOL!! Its straight pointless and can be hazardous to your body. Also those "NO" products just elevate heart rate, making you more anxious and more prone to fatigue... Bad for lifting or running, lose lose situation.
And I laugh at men who buy it for pumps... Better off just buying L-arginine supplement, its cheaper but even that won't make a difference to getting stronger or gaining muscle.

 

[search1ng]

PRE workout supplements are pointless and unhealthy, no matter from which brand...
If your an advanced lifter, hell even an ameture, you will have some sort of fixed program that your following. So why spend money on something that "Amps" you up for the workout when your gonna do X workout for X amount of reps anyways... " oh I need this extra energy so I can do my routine that I've always done" LOL!! Its straight pointless and can be hazardous to your body. Also those "NO" products just elevate heart rate, making you more anxious and more prone to fatigue... Bad for lifting or running, lose lose situation.
And I laugh at men who buy it for pumps... Better off just buying L-arginine supplement, its cheaper but even that won't make a difference to getting stronger or gaining muscle.

You're entitled to your opinion and a lot of what you said is logical. However what you don't seem to see is that pre-workout drinks that WORK increase strength, endurance and concentration during workouts that allow you to lift heavier for longer. We all know heavier weights = strength + size.

The extra energy allows you to go above and beyond.

It can be hazardous to your body, that's true for anything in excess. It's up to you to listen to your body.

If you have the perfect diet and lifestyle, perhaps such supplements are not required, however, because i know my lifestyle can be at times unpredictable, and my diet is far from perfect (I try to get it to be a close to perfect as possible) the energy, concentration and overall boost in performance this supplement gives me is something i welcome with open arms.

Basically, I go at it harder, stronger and faster. More hard work = reaching your goals faster.

btw; this has arginine alpha ketoglutarate. Close enough to L-arginine?

 

[Fuglydude]

PRE workout supplements are pointless and unhealthy, no matter from which brand...
If your an advanced lifter, hell even an ameture, you will have some sort of fixed program that your following. So why spend money on something that "Amps" you up for the workout when your gonna do X workout for X amount of reps anyways... " oh I need this extra energy so I can do my routine that I've always done" LOL!! Its straight pointless and can be hazardous to your body. Also those "NO" products just elevate heart rate, making you more anxious and more prone to fatigue... Bad for lifting or running, lose lose situation.
And I laugh at men who buy it for pumps... Better off just buying L-arginine supplement, its cheaper but even that won't make a difference to getting stronger or gaining muscle.

Strongly disagree with this statement. Nothing you said has any real substantial physiological backing.

My qualifications:

- B.Sc mol. biology w/ minors in chem and soc.
- B.ScN nursing
- 2 years experience in critical care
- 12 years in the trenches
- sprinter/bobsledder at the university level
- spent 3.5 years as a male entertainer where I've made tens of thousands of dollars off of my build and looks.

I'm currently training for my first bodybuilding comp later this year. I'm 5'8" - 185 lbs (84-85 kg) at around 10-11% bf (caliper tested) w/ a 215-220 kg (475-485 lb) max deadlift, 160 kg (350 lb) max squat and I routinely do pull ups w/ 40 kg (90 lbs) around my waist and dips w/ 50-55 kg (110-120 lbs) around my waist for 6-8 reps.

As a experienced lifter I can tell you that intensity is the name of the game when it comes to the gym. You always try and increase the weight or the intensity and a good pre-WO supplement/"work up" is absolutely key to having a great work out. Intensity coupled w/ good nutrition and recovery is how you can be productive in the gym. Although I'm currently a bodybuilder, my trainers do have me doing one half day as a power/explosive/plyo day.

Bodybuilding requires getting blood into the muscles... this is how a lot of old school builders will tell you that they can grow. Arginine-AKG or "NO" supplements facilitate NO production, as arginine availability is typically the rate-limiting step in NO production via NOS (nitric oxide synthase). Increased NO production should theoretically help w/ vasodilation and delivery of blood to muscles and the "pump". NO is a known vasodilator. I really don't know whether the pump is productive or not, however, it feels damn good to have a great pump and crazy veins everywhere.

The elevated HR is typically due to physical stress of working out as well as many pre-WO products having methyl xanthine family compounds (like caffeine) in them. Methyl xanthine is a known stimulant and will increase athletic performance. If you have a good amount of glycogen in your muscles and are well hydrated you likely will not fatigue too quickly. Furthermore, many of these supplements contain various types of creatine and glycerol. Creatine can provide an additional reserve for high energy phosphate bonds in the muscle cell. Glycerol is known for its hygroscopic nature and can help w/ intravascular hydration. I'm not even gonna talk about the electrolytes that are present that will also help with hydration and electrolyte replacement. Obviously you gotta go out and drink water and be well hydrated, but these supplements will help both w/ intravascular as well as intramuscular and overall hydration status. Good hydration is a key to optimal performance.

Furthermore, many of these pre-WO supplements contain important anti-oxidants. Increased metabolism will undoubtedly create more ROS (reactive oxygen species) that can cause cell damage. These antioxidants are important in quenching these free radicals. My chiropractor actually always bugs me to take 500 mg vit. C pre and post WO.

Arginine-AKG as well as other AKG-modified amino acids have much better bioavailability than simply taking l-arginine. Therefore, your point on simply taking l-arginine compounds is bunk. Just check out this article for AKG-AA bioavailability:

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/137/6/1646S.full

I have always been and will always be a huge believer in pre WO nutrition. If you're gonna go to war you gotta be prepared. My pre-WO work up is as follows:

1 hr Pre-WO: 40 g waxy maize + 40 g whey isolate + 500 cc water

30 min Pre-WO: Pre-WO supplement + multi w/ B-complex (whatever I'm taking Endorush/NO explode, etc) w/ 2.25 g beta-alanine and 2-3 g BCAAs. Take these w/ another 400-500 cc of water.

Overall water intake IMO should be 10 cc/kg pre-WO taken over 1 hour pre-WO so you don't feel super bloated.

I find I perform way better when I have this work up in place.

We push ourselves hard when we're in the gym. Its important to give our bodies some optimal nutritional support to help us train hard. I believe the main components of pre-WO nutrition are as follows:

1. Hydration support: Water and glycerol and related polyol compounds
2. Metabolic support (energy): waxy maize, creatine, beta-alanine
3. Vascular support (blood flow): Arginine-AKG possibly citrulline-AKG
4. Neuromuscular/"neuro-stim" support: Methyl xanthines.
5. Protein: Whey isolate and BCAAs
6. Anti-oxidants (although not all pre-WO supplements have these)... just take vit. C before and after.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[StateOfMind]

I respect your thoughts and the science behind it. But all the pump really is, is your fasha(don't know how to spell it) expanding. You can have intensity in your workouts just by doing so, don't need to spend any extra money to workout harder, just do it, intensity is a mindset.. I believe if your feeling weak, tired before going to the gym, then you have to check on your nutrition. With that money spent on NO you could spend it on a Multi, protein or even creatine that helps you grow. I personally do sprints before I go workout, pumps the blood throughout the body and gets me ready to lift hard. NO products are just to amplify your pumps and veins while lifting nothing more. The elevated HR and headaches are not even worth it, I'm currently an athlete(Track runner) and you wouldn't want any extra fatigue necessary while lifting or running.

But like I said earlier it won't matter having extra energy to lift more if your doing let's say 5x5 mad cow or something, your gonna do w/e set/reps anyways.

 

[Fuglydude]

I respect your thoughts and the science behind it. But all the pump really is, is your fasha(don't know how to spell it) expanding. You can have intensity in your workouts just by doing so, don't need to spend any extra money to workout harder, just do it, intensity is a mindset.. I believe if your feeling weak, tired before going to the gym, then you have to check on your nutrition. With that money spent on NO you could spend it on a Multi, protein or even creatine that helps you grow. I personally do sprints before I go workout, pumps the blood throughout the body and gets me ready to lift hard. NO products are just to amplify your pumps and veins while lifting nothing more. The elevated HR and headaches are not even worth it, I'm currently an athlete(Track runner) and you wouldn't want any extra fatigue necessary while lifting or running.

But like I said earlier it won't matter having extra energy to lift more if your doing let's say 5x5 mad cow or something, your gonna do w/e set/reps anyways.

To me intensity may be defined as perceived exertion. As you said its most definitely a mindset ... however, its good to have some additional physiological support to help your body perform the stuff that your mind/brain wants to do. This is simply my purpose for taking pre-WO supplements. It could very definitely be a placebo, but its a placebo I'm willing to pay for!

As a competitive bodybuilder and experienced lifter, I know the value of nutrition. If you check on my posts you'll see that that's pretty much the only thing I really push. I STRONGLY believe that fitness is 75% nutrition and 25% everything else. My trainer is an IFBB pro, and I have a diet/supplement program that I have to follow. Yes I already take everything you mentioned (multi, whey isolate, creatine, EFAs, cal-mag, glutamine, etc). I also get around 230-250 g protein/day w/ lots of low GI carbs as well as fruits/veges.

As a bodybuilder who's already deadlifting >2.5x body weight and squatting ~2x bodyweight, the 5 x 5 program simply isn't optimal for my goals. I have many weaker body parts I need to bring up, while still maintaining my strong points. WTF is mad cow anyways?? I'm always among the strongest pound-for-pound guys in any commercial gym that I've ever been to on lifts like deads/squats/cleans/dips/chins and even dumbell rows, etc... bench is a different story.

You should probably learn how to spell "fascia" if you wanna be a personal trainer and run your own PT business!

Fascia is simply connective tissue (collagen) that encapsulates various body structures, including skeletal muscles. The fascia expand because there is increased perfusion inside to the skeletal muscle cells due to metabolic demand. Nitric oxide, which I said is a well known vasodilator, will theoretically help w/ muscle perfusion. Better perfusion = better metabolic support and better waste removal, which theoretically means you can perform better.

You are correct that exogenously increasing NO production can potentially cause headaches by vasodilation of the cerebral vasculature, however, I am fortunate to not get these side effects. Headaches are a common side effect from the "nitro patch" that many cardiac patients use for vasodilation of their coronary arteries. Nitro patches have transdermally delivered nitroglycerine in them, while pre-WO supps have arg compounds.

The tachycardia associated w/ exercise is simply physiological adaptation to the demands placed on the body. Check out the Frank-starling law (stroke volume), stuff on the sympathetic/parasympathetic nerves and effects of high pCO2 and low pO2 on heart rate if you wanna learn the physiological basis of why HR increases during exercises. Also check out catecholamines/beta-adrenergic receptor agonist (specifically beta-1) and their effects on myocardial contractility. Stimulants can help w/ cardiac contractility and produce increased stroke volume again increasing systemic nutritional/oxygen delivery and waste removal.

I'm not sure what kind of a runner you are. If you're doing anything more than the 400 m you probably shouldn't be taking any pre-WO supplements like NO explode, etc. As you said it may make your heart rate higher than is conducive for optimal performance in these events.

You're entitled to your opinion, but remember opinions are like *******s; everyone has one. Question is whether your opinion is an informed one.

No offense intended, but I'm a healthcare professional w/ 8 years of post secondary and over a decade in the trenches and experience in high performance athletics and bodybuilding. You're a high school kid, a "runner", who doesn't know how to spell "fascia"... I wonder who's opinion is more valid?

 

[Jitterbug]

Performance enhancing drugs enhance performance. What a surprise.

 

[j0n24]

Mad Cow= A guy that took BillStars routine and made it his own which is now called "Mad Cow's 5x5."

From reading the label if you wanted to create a clone it seems all you would need is
Beta Alanine
Creatine
Glucoronlacatone
Dimethylamylamine.

Although they throw in other stuff but personally I dont really believe in some of those other ingredients.

Also there really isnt lots of research into N.O products to firmly stand behind the product unlike say Creatine Monohydrate...hell I sitll dont really believe in Glutamine.

Also you have to be careful in which products you take because some companies add ingredients that counteract each other.
Some companies add Caffeine and a N.O product...and like what Fugly said N.O prudcts open up your bloodvessels but Caffeine closes them so just food for thought.

I actually believe in Preworkout drinks as well. The focus you get from good products really strengthens your time in the gym. There has also been some research circulating that preworkout drinks actually benefit moreso then postworkout.

 

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update.
Don't take a full dosage for an evening workout. You will not get any sleep.
Will experiment with the dosage but I'm hoping a 1/2 amount will suffice for an evening workout and still let me SLEEP.

Full dose is fine for a morning/midday workout though.

crazy stuff.

 

[Alle_Gory]

I respect your thoughts and the science behind it. But all the pump really is, is your fasha(don't know how to spell it) expanding. You can have intensity in your workouts just by doing so, don't need to spend any extra money to workout harder, just do it, intensity is a mindset.. I believe if your feeling weak, tired before going to the gym, then you have to check on your nutrition. With that money spent on NO you could spend it on a Multi, protein or even creatine that helps you grow. I personally do sprints before I go workout, pumps the blood throughout the body and gets me ready to lift hard. NO products are just to amplify your pumps and veins while lifting nothing more. The elevated HR and headaches are not even worth it, I'm currently an athlete(Track runner) and you wouldn't want any extra fatigue necessary while lifting or running.

But like I said earlier it won't matter having extra energy to lift more if your doing let's say 5x5 mad cow or something, your gonna do w/e set/reps anyways.

^ I agree with THIS GUY! He's a highschool track athlete, he knows what he's doing everyone!

Fuglydude is just some clown who spent half a lifetime bodybuilding and working in healthcare. What does he know? I'm with the high school athlete who can't even spell.

Who's with me with him? Come on now, hands up everyone! :rockon:

 

[search1ng]

Be nice Alle Gory!

We were all there once. ... maybe not Fuglydude though.

Another Update: just take the full dose. 1/2 isn't as good and your body adjusts. I get sleep now... I just smash myself in the gym and jump rope for 1000 reps before getting a cold shower.

Workouts are still as intense as ever.

 

[Alle_Gory]

Be nice Alle Gory!

We were all there once.

He needs some negative feedback. Right now it's that ego talking... thinking he knows something but clearly doesn't. The sooner he realizes this, the better off he is.

 

[Nate911]

Full dose

Made the mistake of having a full dose later at night before workout. Work out went fine but was up until 2:30am trying to sleep.
Nate,

P.S. it also makes you horny

 

[JaZZyWaTCh]

However what you don't seem to see is that pre-workout drinks that WORK increase strength, endurance and concentration during workouts that allow you to lift heavier for longer. We all know heavier weights = strength + size.

 

[Tj the man]

I'm 15 years old and I tried mesomorph before last year and I loved it so I just ordered it yesterday and I took 1 full scoop and then I went to basketball practice and ran everybody on the court, and I couldn't stop moving and after I came home I threw up like crazy and my pen**** lolled smaller.weird

 

[Down Low]

You guys should take a cue from the horse racing industry. There's a growing revolt among horsemen who want to go back to hay, oats, water, and rest to recover from injury. They say that drugs have ruined horse racing and turned off bettors from a game that's increasingly rigged by insiders with needles.

If clean sporting is good for horses, it's good for humans.

Look at it this way. Just to have a chance at being competitive at the highest levels of the sport, every bodybuilder has to use the latest and greatest drugs, supplements, and training regimens. Well then, everything's equal. There's no advantage to anyone if everyone uses the same advantage-gaining systems. Worse still, the athletes look less and less like normal men who are in good shape, and more and more like abnormal birth defective circus freaks.

I was in Wal Mart a few weeks ago. At the end of one aisle was a cardboard display of some hair gel with a label in Spanish. It said something like Moca de Gorila. The picture was of some guy with that pointy-head haircut that looks like a Mohawk that's still in the growing stages. You know. The hairstyle that's so popular among the MMA crowd. Problem is, there was a zig-zag star on the side that said "punk." I guess that Mexican culture is pretty straightforward about calling something faggotty, and the gorilla hair-do is faggotty.

So is a gym rat who femmes by saying "ooh look at my hard nipples." So is a drug pusher who doubles as a male nurse / male prostitute. Going to gyms all the time to be around naked men, copying their sissy hair-dos, and making sure they see you drink their little in-group beverages -- is not at all masculine, Don Juan, or going to get you to feel self-respect and confidence in your independence.

 

[marmel75]

I don't buy into preworkouts...

I would put the following up against any of the other preworkouts:
7 caps of MassPro Synthagen, 6g of AAKG, and 1 cap of pycnogenol to enhance the effects of Arginine, along with Kre-Alkalyn(and my other normal stuff...Vit D, Vit C, Vit E, etc).

MassPro Synthagen is one of the most amazing supplements I have taken bar nothing. I ran out and the difference between when I was on it and when I haven't been is night and day...

 

[switch]

< isn't using a supplement, getting more ripped by the day
im a total newbie but ive found out that supplements are all rubbish, eat a piece of Chx breasts + potatos after your workout, all you need is there IMO
i don't care about research, i look at my body, and my body doesnt know the difference between 8 tbs of sugar or a complex energy drink made by various mathematical formulas
plz note that im a noob, this is my opinion , its not facts