Approach journal...smite that fear!

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Sup man, to get the "feel" of approaching, try approaching 5 random girls each day or whatver u can do...doesn't matter what they look like. Have the 5 basic questions on ur mind: Who, what, when, where, and why...to help in terms of the conversation, either that or just do an opener and leave till u get use to it. Thats what helped me start out :)

I await the mall story.
 

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Great job man inspiring read keep doing what you're doing you're improving greatly.
 

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Alittude said:
Great job man inspiring read keep doing what you're doing you're improving greatly.
Thank you young bro. Keep reading this journal man, because a MAJOR mofkking turnaround is in the works. I can feel it coming on (strong).

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I've been reading ur journal and i am very impressed with it. U have to crawl before you walk. You've got to work ur way up. The delivery job is perfect for becoming more social and getting more and more conversation skills.
Steve, the thing is man, I've BEEN there before. If you've ever read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Repair" -- which I doubt, but it's an interesting, if esoteric work -- I feel like the protagonist in it. He's riding his motorcycle across America, and filling us in with his philosophical insights (some of it is insightful stuff indeed, even if u disagree with it). But he also begins to tell an autobiographical tale, and eventually you realize he is just retracing his own footsteps; covering ground, physically (in the motorcycle) but also, and more importantly, philosophically and emotionally that he has passed before. That is how this "comeback" of mine feels. I've trod this path before. And as I continue my trek, I'm, in many ways, just re-visiting parts of my past.

The old anxieties are re-appearing -- checking my phone for msgs; that chick I txted, has she replied? No? Damn. What's she doing? Why hasn't she replied? -- that I had thought long vanquished. But noooo! They weren't vanquished, I simply avoided anything that might LEAD to such anxieties. Avoidance. That's all it was. OF COURSE I wasn't gonna feel anxious over a chick if I had (virtually) nohting to DO with chicks. Geeezus... all that I spent FOOLING myself. IDIOT!

BUT, for a short, sweet while, I DID once conquer -- or greatly diminish, at least -- those kinds of anxieties, and I will conquer them again. This time they are not as intense, and I am also a more complete person, so I am better equipped to deal with them.

As for the delivery job being good for learning to be sociable. I guess so. I don't think I NEED it, but I suppose it helps. I am perfectly fine sharing a quick chat with the customers. I have fun with them. Like last night I had this delivery that said that customer only had a $50 note to pay with. So I deliver her food, and she pulls out the 50. I fake disgust and go "Oh what? You've got a fifty?" She was a bit taken aback and hit back with "Hey, I TOLD the guy on the ph..." I cut her off with a big grin, and pointing my finger at her said "Gotcha!". Easy shyt. (What is not quite so easy is being this at ease with ultrahot, get-me-hard-just-lookin-at-'em babes.)

Anyway, to finish my point, CHANGE IS IN THE AIR. Just trust me on this. I know this is a big claim for someone that is YET to even do a bona fide cold approach, one with no context, no excuse, no nothing, just straight out "hi, how's it going? I really wanna meet you. I'm Daniel." However, that is coming. I'm sure of it. Just bear with me. I mean -- this is gonna be funny -- only two months ago, would you believe I felt anxious just WALKING INTO the shopping mall? Forget actually TALKING to anyone, simply just walking in there made me anxious. It would be hard to have worse social anxiety than THAT. Actually TALKING to some stranger hot babe was absolutely out of hte question. I knew that that was what i WANTED to be able to do, but at that point (two months ago) I felt SO socially awkward, that I didn't even toss up the mere possibility of talking to someone attractive I spotted. NOW, I still haven't gone and approached such a girl, but the IDEA of it seems very realistic and very normal to me -- to the point where with only a slight nudge I would go over the edge and approach. (Whereas two months ago, a bulldozer wouldn't have budged me.)


(I just realized, fkk I write long posts! It's probably scaring a lot of people off reading, isn't it? Oh well.)
 

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Now, the story of that chick at the pizza shop. She came into the shop, on her own initiative, the other day. I had been on a delivery and I come back in, and she's there. ****. I didn't wanna meet her like that. I was caught off-guard, unprepared. Still, I played it nice and cool. Not fawning over her, but not totally ignoring her either. I soon had anotehr delivery to do, and she followed behind me. I go"what, are u coming with me?" She goes, "yeah, why not?" I go, "alright, jump in".

Now the reason I didn't wanna meet her like this is that what the fkk am I gonna do with her? I don't want "put game" on her, because, to me, I want that to lead to me fkking her. But I couldn't just stop the car and pullover and fkk her (or kiss her or finger her or whatever) 'cos I'm supposed to be working. Luckily, she loves to talk (and talk and talk and talk), so I mostly let her, just joining in (and sometimes interrupting her) to make some C&F comment. After we got back, I was thinking that i was probably too heavy on the FUNNY, and not enough on the ****y. (I had her laughing quite a lot. I was in fine form.) But then I realized, no, it's not that I wasn't ****y enough, it's that I wasn't SEXUAL enough. The convo didn't have that air of sexual suggestion hanging all around us, that both people can feel, that makes the conversation an exercise in anticipation, with both parties wanting the convo to go THERE, wiling it to go there... (and once it does, it blooms and often explodes into a bout of uninhibited passion -- okay, okay, I'm getting a bit ahead of myself). The convo lacked this atmosphere and that is MY fault. Oh well, put it down to rustiness.

She hanged out in the shop afterwards, mostly talking to my boss and some of the other workers there (who she already knew). Now, if I was a total beginner, I might think this was very bad. She is "ignoring me", I might have told myself. But I am a bit wiser than that. It's more likely that it was ME she was hanging out at the shop for, and the chatter with the boss and other workers was just a "cover" for being there. This is how I am interpreting it. Right or wrong (though honestly I think it's right), it's a very USEFUL way of interpreting it, cos it leaves me feeling good, whereas the other alternative leaves me feeling defeated. (Of course, just telling yourself this doesn't do much, you really have to BELIEVE it.)

Anyway, I'll def see her again, but this time on MY terms. And hopefully that will lead to where I want.


Also, that chick in the gym with the legendary ass I was talking about? I saw her again yesterday. So okay, her butt isn't exactly as good as I thought the first time. Still, it's pretty fkking sensational. And MAN, it is burned into my memory. I can't stop thinking about it! I haven't felt such hardcore, unadulterated LUST for YEARS. It's not "oneitis", because I certainly don't pretend she is "the one"; realistically, there's every possibility that I wouldn't even like her if I met her. But to fkk her, oh man, man o man o man... can't get it out of my mind.

Anway, back to the story. So she's there, and this time she's with this trainer, a female. The trainer being there made it doubly, triply hard (in my mind) to approach. I was cursing the damn trainer under my breath. And I was thinking to myself, what the fkk does this super hot babe need a trainer for? She's already AT the max level of female figure hotness. This gave me the idea of something to approach with. Back to this in a moment.

First, let me set the scene. There's me at the squat rack, and nearby, the babe and the trainer are doing pullups (or trying, because like most chicks, they are too weak to even do one, unassisted). Then they come over to my left and go on the leg press. Then they go to my right and do smith machine squats.

THEN, the trainer disappears down the corridor, and it's the babe by herself. Training right next to me. Alone, available, vulnerable. And I am hit with a spark of genius: "hey... is that your trainer, or just a friend?" I was gonna ask. (I was quite sure it was her trainer, because I know that girl is a trainer at this gym.) After she answered "my trainer", I was gonna say what I thought of before (see above), about her not needing a trainer, like "r u crazy? what do u need a trainer for? you're already perfect." I wasn't necessarily gonna ask for a number or try anything else, but I was gonna used this as my lead in, to make her acquaintance, so I can talk to her next time.

The time between when I thought of what to say, and the time I was pretty much decided that I was gonna go ahead with it was very brief. Probably less than a minute. That's not exactly 3 second rule quality, but it's not that long either. UNFORTUNATELY the fkking trainer bytch came around the corner back to where the babe was. Obviously I wasn't gonna run my line about not needing a trainer in FRONT of the trainer. Well, I suppose I COULD have, IF I had the balls, but it was all just a bit too much for me.

I was hoping the trainer might leave again, or their session might end and she'd hang around a bit longer at the gym giving me another chance, but nope. She left.

Well, I caught her both days at the same time of day, so that's probably when she trains, which, luckily for me, is when I train too. SO, if or when I do see her again, I think I might run the above line.

Ultimately, it's not really all THAT important to me whether I get her or not, but I would really really like to TRY. And, as much as I am scared of the prospect, it would actually be really good for my long term prospects to get rejected by this chick. (NOT getting rejected would also be pretty sweet too!)
 

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No posts for a few days becaus I have been hard at work THINKING about certain things. I'll get onto those in a moment, but first an "approach" I did.

There's this chick in one of my classes and on the first day of class we had to introduce and say a bit about ourselves and she said she was from Greece. She's pretty good looking and I wanted to meet her, but she hasn't been showing up to class since then.

I saw her at the library waiting in line to use the computers and I lined up behind her; well, behind her, but to the side, so she could sort of see me. A few moments later she turns around a bit more towards me, and we smile at each other (I'm thinking she recognized me, 'cos I talked a lot in that day of class, and made her group laugh as we were leaving the room).

Me: you're from Greece right?
Yeah: yeah... but I went to high school in Indonesia.
Me: Serious? Indonesia? How did u end up there?
Her: my parents had a business there...
Me: so can you speak indonesian?
Her: well, the school I went to was an international school so we spoke English, but yeah I can speak indonesian too.
Me: wow that's pretty cool... so you're an international student here?
her: yeah
me: on a student visa right?
her: yeah
me: how many people have asked you these same questions?
her: hahaha... everybody does!

Then a guy at the front of the line said computer is free ('cos he was talking to someone else in the line and wanted to keep talking). I go to her "go, you can take it" and she smiled and said thanks and that was it.

Not too bad, as these things go. I had a positive reaction from her the whole way through and I could said to her, hey let's hang out sometime or something like that pretty easy. But I didn't. Anyway, I wasn't all THAT into her, so I don't really care. But it would have been good for practise.

That blond girl from the pizza shop, I hadn't see her since last week. I txted her a couple of times with some "sexually charged" txts, and it was all pretty positive (def not negative). Then last night she came in the shop again. Fkkn hell, I really don't wanna see her there. It puts me "on the spot" a bit, I must admit. I don't know if she came to see me or she just came to get something to eat. I sort of ignored her (said "hi" but not much else), or showed "active disinterest" as people call it on here. She didn't stay very long, and when I came back from a delivery she had gone. One of the other workers drove her home and when he saw me he goes to me that I should go for her. They had talked about me in the car and she had said "oooohhh.... i don't know..." with respect to his question about her doing something with me.

Oh, and my boss goes to me that when he talked to her (i haven't asked anyone to "talk to her" for me, btw) she goes about liking me "not in that way..."

What to make of that? There are a couple of interpretations. First is that she is being honest and doesn't like me that way. If that's true, fine, no probs. It does feel like "rejection", and as much as that stings, I actually enjoyed the idea of experiencing that feeling, just to be able to get over it.

The thing is, I find it hard to believe she is not into me in "that way". What other way COULD she be into me? I thought there is no way I could have given the impression that I was interested in her as a "friend". Her whole interest in me was sexual from the start, too. When I called her the first time and she wasn't sure who it was, she said "you're that tanned, good-looking guy...right? Then the txts I sent her, no fkkn way in the world could they be interpreted as "just friends" kind of talk.

So either she said she's not into me in THAT way because she's not confident enough that *I* am also into HER that way and she doesn't want to admit she likes me in case I don't like her back... OR, she WAS into me in "that way", but somewhere along the line i somehow screwed it up got her DISattracted to me.

Thinking about the last point, I think it's that thing I mentioned in an earlier post: lack of SEXUAL STATE. If I did somehow manage to disattract her, I am betting a huge part of the reason was my not being in a sexual state (or sexual ENOUGH state) when I was around her.

I was re-reading Gunwitch's "THE way to get laid" thread, and i agree with him that sexual state is the KEY KEY KEY thing to have. Because when you are in a sexual state, it affects the way you do everything; the way you move, the way you hold your head, the way you look (with your eyes), the way you talk, the things you talk about etc Everything.

Not that you won't have success if you are not in a sexual state, but sexual state HUGELY improves the odds that you will do the "right things" and hugely decreases the odds that you will do the "wrong things".

THIS is the stuff I have been thinking hard about. This sexual state is what I need to be moving myself closer to, so that I am HABITUALLY in that state.
 

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wow this thread is great. first of all, congratulation. u have been enlighten. ok let get into business.

ur situation with the gym girl reminds me of my friend. like u, he's obsessed with this italian girl's butt in his english class. what's funny is when i told him she changes her hairstyle a bit today and he reply me with " what? i don't care man. i've been staring at her butt all day." okay, let go back to ur situation. i think the percentage of getting this one is pretty low and i know u know that too. not because of ur look or anything but because u're still new to this. unless u're a natural at this or she just got a extreme makeover, hot girls u usually need alot more work. i know, because i have been stuggling with that italian girl too. but u have more guts than half of the chump at the gym tho. so that a bright side to think of.

now about the pizza girl. i think she's displaying her ASD(anti-slut defense) when your co-worker and manager ask her that. girls don't usually say "yea i like him." to other people or even to you. because they don't want to be seem as desperate. and u're right when u say that u need to be more sexual with her by applying kino or using sexual barrier. i really like how u realize what u did wrong or didn't do. cause u can correct it next time.

btw, i also like ur mindset toward "rejection". instead of avoiding it, u want to confront it. i'm telling u, it feels great....no it don't. but i'm telling u, having a low score on a test is even worse. i know, because i just got one this week....ughhhh. ok man. that's all i have to say. hopefully i'm not trying to teach u anything because like what u say " teach is easier than doing" and i don't want to be like that because i'm also dealing with approach anxiety too. i like reading ur thread, keep posting more. i actually like threads where guys just beggining their journey more than the one where guys approach girls and get every single numbers. maybe because i'm in the same state as u and i feel similarity.
 

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Thanks for your reply greenlake. It would be cool if more people replied, but I know people are reading and I guess they wouldn't be if they thought it was boring.

okay, let go back to ur situation. i think the percentage of getting this one is pretty low and i know u know that too.
Haha.I wish you were here with me man. This is the sort of thing that DOES motivate me. I will do virtually anything (that intellectually I know is safe) if someone says that I'm scared or that I will fail.

But yeah, look, the odds are low, of course. Not just because I am "new" (I FEEL new, but I have actually done all of this before), but also because even for the experienced, skilled pick up artist, the chances for any ONE girl in particular are never all that high. I don't really care, though. Honestly, experiencing a rejection from this girl would actually be a really good thing. So I can't even lose.

The reason a rejection from her would be a good thing is it would (a) help to get over the fear of it and (b) actually motivate me to make more approaches. The other day when my boss goes that the pizza shop girl wasn't into me "in that way", before I analyzed the situation and realized that maybe it doesn't mean what it sounds like, I felt a sting of "rejection". It felt a bit demoralizing in the beginning. But in my mind I was telling myself that tihs is actually a very good thing, and it's something that every guy has to through and it proves that I am on the right path. Then I started feeling motivated, in a "I'll show THEM" kind of way; I felt motivated to battle my through however many rejections it takes until I get one into bed. In this state of mind, the pain of any individual rejection didn't frighten me at all. (I wish I could keep THAT state up!)

About the pizza girl though, I really don't care at all whether she likes me or not. What I am much more concerned about is whether I am doing the right things or not. I would much rather be doing the right things and failing than doing the wrong things but she likes me anyway. At least if I do the right things, then eventually they are gonna work on other girls. If I do the wrong things, but she likes me anyway, that is good for THIS girl, but I won't have learned anything for OTHER girls.

(It's not THAT uncommon for girls to tell other people they like you though. I have had a few girls in the past where I already knew they liked me because I heard it from other people.)
 

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Oh, and about that girl at the gym man, she is fkkn hot man. I really, really wanna approach her, NOT just because I wanna fkk her, but because approaching the ones that I am HUGELY attracted to has always been my greatest weakness. In the past, I have approached a lot of chicks, but NEVER the ones I am really really hot for. (I have picked up a few that i was really hot for, but it was because I met them through my social group, not 'cos I approached 'em.) Actually, maybe I did approach cold once or twice, but always in a really stupid way, so it kind of doesn't count. I have never approached one LIKE A MAN. So to me, THIS is the important thing with this girl, not whether I get her or not.
 

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u can get any asian guy and tell him to say the things i say earlier since we all look alike anyway. hahah j/k.
 

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Hey man, good journal so far. You've got a good sense og humour, i can tell that...its also funny how you explain the well-obvious jokes to us in brackets! :D


About the approaching...the ones you are doing sound really good...you just need to amp up the sexuality a little...you need to let her know that you want to fvck her are willing to take that chance when it comes basically. As for the really hot chick and the other ones you get AA over...I would say just go in with the frame/mindset that you are the s.hit...and just have fun with her...that way you'll never get otright rejected and have a good chance of closing, particularly seeing as you're athletic and greek-looking, (tall, dark and handsome?)

I don't think theres lot else you need to learn in terms of tactics etc...you just have to approach, easier said than done I know...but perhaps if you went in with the mindset of just having fun rather than closing at first you would do better and learn how to vibe with hot girls.

Seriously man, PU ain't hard, you'll deffo get there in a few months if not sooner...keep it up!
 

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L777 said:
Hey man, good journal so far. You've got a good sense og humour, i can tell that...its also funny how you explain the well-obvious jokes to us in brackets! :D
Lol, well, I've learnt never to underestimate people's stupidity! I didn't want people reading this journal and not getting the jokes, because they wouldn't think that THEY are the stupid ones for not getting them, they'd think *I* am the stupid one for delivering unfunny/gay/stupid lines. [That's for online. In real life, especially in a group, people that don't get the jokes feel like the stupid ones. But online there is no group that is laughing uproariously that they can compare themselves to, so if they don't get your jokes, they think you're lame.]

About the approaching...the ones you are doing sound really good...
Which ones am I doing? I honestly don't feel like I've done ONE real approach on here yet. Okay, I've "approached" in the sense of saying something to a stranger, and sharing a bit of a quick chat, but none of these have been, in my mind, proper cold approaches, where I am sexually attracted (strongly) to the girl in question and I go in and I make a specific proposition to her. That's my definition of an approach. Everything else is just window dressing (or Practise). Unless you go in "with intent" and you actually attempt some sort of a close -- number, date, kiss for example -- it's not really an approach.

For now, this is okay for me. Because, as I have said, I had built up an amazing amount of social phobia over the last couple of years. The true extent of just how bad I had gotten hadn't really dawned on me until I began this journal. Just unfkkingbelievable. If someone who knew from a few years ago was told that I would become like this he'd never have believed it. Yet I did. (Completely my fault that -- I withdrew from the world to pursue other, supposedly "higher" interests, but, man at what price...)

As for the really hot chick and the other ones you get AA over...I would say just go in with the frame/mindset that you are the s.hit...and just have fun with her...that way you'll never get otright rejected and have a good chance of closing, particularly seeing as you're athletic and greek-looking, (tall, dark and handsome?)

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Bro, I wish I WAS tall. Man I'd love to be 6' - 6'2. That's the perfect height, imo. But I was ripped off! :( Actually, it was largely my fault. I grew up very undernourished, not because we didn't have enough to eat, but I just hated eating so much that I constantly refused food. Totally screwed myself. At the age of 13 -- I distinctly recall weighing myself -- I weighed 37 fkking kilos (about 81lbs). At 14 I was only 5'0. Then at 15 I began shooting up, even though my diet remained attrocious until about 18 (when I first got into weights). Now, imagine if I had properly nourished myself in my younger years, you think there might have been a couple of extra inches in it? I do. Because one of the ways health agencies track global health is by comparing average heights of populations; the better fed/nourished a population, the taller they grow. So, my conclusion, I fkked myself HARD. Still, I should be thankful that I even made it to 5'10.

I don't think theres lot else you need to learn in terms of tactics etc...you just have to approach, easier said than done I know...but perhaps if you went in with the mindset of just having fun rather than closing at first you would do better and learn how to vibe with hot girls
The thing is man, I do feel at ease "having fun" with hot girls. Like, I'm not "stiff" around them at all -- not when it's about simply "vibing" and "having fun". I used to hang out with a really popular bunch of guys. Like our group was really well known and respected. Always good looking girls around. I never felt awkward in a chilling out, having fun sense. My problem was always (and still is) being SEXUAL with them.

Like, the more I am into the girl, the harder it is for me to be sexual. For example, I had this super fkking good looking (just short, otherwise we're talking model quality) Italian girl once. Had her in my bedroom, lying on my bed on the second time that I ever saw her, and man, you I was *so* ****ing anxious about escalating shyt from there it's embarrassing to admit it. It took me FOREVER to intiate a bit of kino (in the form of a massage). Luckily though, once I got a good reception my instincts took over and I performed really well (no inhibitions). But fkkn hell man, GETTING to that point just took me forever.

The reason I say that is because you are suggesting to me to "just have fun" with the ones I am really attracted to. The problem there is, let's say I get a good reception, and we start "having fun" (lauhing, joking, whatever). What I am scared of is that I will simply STAY at that level of "having fun"; that I won't push things FURTHER. Why? Because it's comfortable, it keeps the girl around me, there's no risk of rejection. And so I keep delaying and delaying the escalation, in my mind telling myself "hang on...not yet...later...there's still time..." THIS is what I really wanna avoid.

What I really want is to get more DIRECT. Maybe that's "riskier", in the sense that she hasn't had a chance to get all that comfortable with you, the way "having fun" helps her to do, but for MY purposes, it would be better, because then I don't waste time being the funny guy for five hours before finally getting up the balls to escalate things up -- by which point her interest level has started to evaporate, 'cos she's realized she's not dealing with a MAN, but a little boy... a PHONY. (Alright alright, maybe it's not quite THAT stark... but that's what I'm afraid of.)

Now, I find it damn fkkn HARD to be that direct. In my MIND, I can see it pretty well. I can visualize it. (Actually, I had a fkkn AWESOME dream last night, that I was doing precisely this..and it worked...beautifully. Might write about it later.) All the psychology and self-improvement people tell you that this is a key strategy, being able to visualize (with clarity) what you want to achieve. So, in that sense, I am at least on the right path. But for now, i still am not at the point where I can translate that into ACTION.

Part of the reason why I have trouble turning it into action is because I know that you never perform in real situations the way you do in practise. I have done boxing and karate and I know that no matter how good you get in practise, you never perform quite as good in a real fight. Same thing with this pick up and sexual state stuff. I know I won't be as good in a real situation as I am when I visualize it, or when I practise the lines out loud (yeah, I do this.. lol). Still, at least practise DOES improve you, and it certainly can't HURT you.

What I think I will do is just get a friend to 'supervise' me, in the sense that I have him there, not as a wing, but just watching, and making sure that I actually follow through, and not bytch out. Thing is, I don't TALK about any of this stuff with my friends. You know how guys are.. every guy wants to believe he's got what it takes with women.. just like with fighting. How many guys ever admit they were actually SCARED of an opponent -- eg that guy that was "looking at me" in the nightclub -- and THAT is why they didn't do anything? No guy ever admits that. It's always, "ah, I couldn't be fkked"... or "man, he's lucky he didn't try anything, or I would have kicked his ass" -- said from the safety of his car as he's travelling home. Similar thing with chicks. Especially with my friends, who are, virtually all of them, in LTRs or married. They are not even in the field, and, just like the guy who chickened out of the fight but is talking about "would have kicked his ass" from the safety of his car 20kms away from the scene, these guys are not gonna admit they understand my problem. They are safely away from the field, so, since they will never have to prove it, they can pretend to be (or have been) as studly as they care to imagine. Like most guys, the older they get, the better they were [in their minds/memories/stories].
 

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wow.....that was a long reponse. i bet u got a perfect score on your sat writing. lol btw, i think 5'10 is good. i'm 5'9 and i'm happy with it. most of the girls i see are shorter than me anyway so i never had a problem. but true, i wouldn't mind growing a few more inches. hahah.

so......when r u gonna stop talking and go do them cold approaches for real? hahah j/k. best thread i have seen in a while. u inspired me to create a thread. but i'm stuck with one right now...maybe once i'm finish with that one. btw, i just got rejected yesterday. the girl who i text to never text me back. my heart kinda feel wierd hahah. well man, i have to enjoy tihs feeling because i might not have achance to feel it in the future.
 

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wow.....that was a long reponse. i bet u got a perfect score on your sat writing.
Hahaha. No, actually writing/English was always my weak point. I used to hate the gay ass novels they made us read and then write about in English class. You know how they give you those questions like "When Alfred recovered from the car crash, he didn't tell his wife about the blue stockings. Explain why he was forced to keep them a secret" (I just made that up by the way, I wasn't quoting a real question)? Man I used to hate answering that crap. I never knew the real answers. I used to HATE thinking about why stupid characters in stupid novels did this or did that or felt this or felt that -- because the fkkn author wrote it that fkkn way, I used to always wanna answer. Since then, I've actually come to enjoy writing essays, and thinking about characters' motivations in novels and movies.

so......when r u gonna stop talking and go do them cold approaches for real?
Yeah... you know when most people start an "approach journal" they actually write about, you know, approaches they have done. About five or six per post, roughly. I seem to write about everything else except approaches I have done. That's because I haven't really -- when you get down to it -- actually done any.

But look, if you've come this far, you may as well keep reading now. Things around here are gonna get a LOT more interesting, believe me. By the time I'm done with this thread it is gonna become so popular I wouldn't be surprised to hear it's still being read thirty years from now. THAT'S how big I expect my dj career to blow up.

When you (finally) do start seeing some REAL approaches from me, the floodgates are gonna open pretty damn quick, I'm telling you. None of this

me: hi how you going?
her: uhh... I have a boyfriend [walks off]

for 16 pages before they get a phone number. Just watch.

The first few are gonna be rusty and they will suck. I know this, which is a HUGE part of the reason why I am so hesitant. But once I get over the initial nervousness, I am gonna lay the charm on thick and fast.

It's similar to what happened with me and telesales. I never ever would have DREAMED that I would be the kind of guy that could do a business cold call. Yet, one day, this was exactly the kind of job I got. (This was business to business advertising sales, btw, not calling people at home trying to sell them a long distance service.) I wanted to get over my fear of rejection in sales, so I went for one of the tougher sales jobs -- telephone sales.

Well, it was not easy going. I had HUGE what is called 'call reluctance' -- that is where the salesman does everything BUT sit down, pick up the phone and make calls (instead he makes a coffee, goes over "figures", sorts through his files, reads his email, has a chat at the water cooler etc). And even when sitting down to make the call, it was a very anxious time, heart pounding, palms sweating, voice faltering. And yet, for all that, I actually had some pretty good sales skills, once I actually had a customer on the phone who sounded semi-interested. But sometimes I was just so nervous, it just ruined my voice and just ruined the whole call.

After a while, with my sales being near the bottom, my manager got a bit concerned, and he paired me up with some more experienced guys so they could listen in to my calls and correct some of my mistakes. This made me EXTRA EXTRA nervous -- not only was I doing badly, now OTHER PEOPLE were gonna hear exactly how badly (and word would get around the office, and people would smirk and grin when they saw me, and whisper and laugh behind my back at how hopeless I was... just kidding, I never actually imagined these last things. Gotcha!) But I was VERY nervous about having other people listen in. But what could I do, I HAD to let them listen.

So I do this first call, right, and it is an ABSOLUTE SHOCKER. I mean, it was just plain terrible. I went red all over, knowing what an embarrassingly crap call it was. The lady I was paired up with, I could tell, was sighing to herself, probably thinking oh-mi-god, this kid is HOPELESS. She started to give me some advice and I cut her off and said "hey, let me make one more call first. That one was just awful. I might not be great, but I'm a lot better than THAT." She goes, okay, and I made my second call.

Now, my moment of triumph. I had been so pissed with myself with that first call, that I said to myself, I am gonna do everything that I know I am SUPPOSED to do -- but sometimes I don't do cos I'm nervous -- and to hell with what the customer says. Well, man, that second call I totally KICKED ASS. The way I got through the "gatekeepers" (secretaries, people like that, whose job it is to screen callers), the way I made sure I was speaking to someone with the authority to make a buying decision, the way I overcame his objections first to the product, and then to the price, it was just a great great call. Get this -- the woman I was paired with was so impressed, she actually took down some notes for herself. I was brimming with pride.

That is what it feels like with this pick up game. I am gonna have to fumble my way through those first ones, but once I switch on, there's gonna be some serious picking up going on.

(Btw, the telesales career didn't have a happy ending. I got a lot better for a while. But then there were some personnel changes made around the office and I didn't feel comfortable around the new people, and my performance began to tank and then I quit. Oh, and man o man, there was this SUPER HOT Argentine girl there. Lol, she was model quality. I used to always wonder what the fkk she was doing working that stupid telesales job when she had such clear potential. A couple years later I heard she did move into modeling, so I was right. I was infatuated with her BAD. I was always REALLY self-conscious around her. I think she felt the same way (self-conscious, not infatuated) because she would talk to everyone else in a really friendly way, but she was really quiet around me. MAN, this girl is the best example of what I mean when I say that I have always had trouble approaching/escalating the ones I found breathtakingly hot. I could tell you stories about this girl that would make you wanna put your hand through your monitor and punch me in the nose. Just imagine, this chick that you are SUPER CRAZY about is at the office party with you, at night, drunk, and she kneels down to next to where you're sitting and puts her hand on your leg, her arm running right up your thigh from your knee to your belt, looking at you from the corner of her eye with her head tilted sideways, with a suggestive little grin on her hot little lips. And what do YOU do, you king fkkn jerkoff... oh man, I can't even fkk say it, it's SO fkkn stupid. Actually, fkk it, yes I will say it... what did I do? I was SO ffkn nervous I didn't know what the fkk to do, and for a reason that I still cannot, to this day, explain, I made out like I was upset by her "intrusion" and took her arm off my thigh, and she goes "sorry, I'm a bit drunk". Then she got up and walked away. Can you possibly be a bigger fkkn idiot than THAT? I'd like to see someone try.)
 

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I really like your story, ever consider being a author?

I bet you rarely run out of things to say in a conversation.

I bet you like to talk about yourself. GIVE ME A CHANCE TO TALK!! j/k.

I really like you spirit. That's the mindset I need to have. I can't wait til the day you cold approach a girl. gonna be great.

You seem like a positive guy. that's what i need, someone who won't drag me down. if u ever come down to florida. give me a call.
 

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greenlake said:
I really like your story, ever consider being a author?
Thank you man. Yes, I have considered becoming an author. I have SO MUCH I want to write about, so much I want to tell the world. Really, I have no choice in it -- I HAVE to (one day) become an author. That day will probably be many years away, but one day, I'm sure, it will arrive.

I bet you rarely run out of things to say in a conversation.

I bet you like to talk about yourself. GIVE ME A CHANCE TO TALK!! j/k.
Hmm... not really man. I COULD talk forever in a conversation, but generally I give up if I feel the other person is boring or they are not contributing their fair share. If the other person is interesting, I don't mind letting them do most of the talking. The trick is to always have good questions to ask. Usually, I can come up with a fairly interesting question. (Sometimes I make my questions TOO "interesting" though, and I force the other person to think of stuff they haven't thought of before, and sometimes their answers sound a bit funny or rushed. It's kinda like those sports reporters at the end of the game. If you listen to them, you'll notice they are always trying to ask an original question, one that sounds different from the standard "So, Jim, how does it feel to win this one?". But no matter how hard they try to be original, the stars they interview always give the same kind of answer no matter WHAT question is asked.)


I really like you spirit. That's the mindset I need to have. I can't wait til the day you cold approach a girl. gonna be great.
I can't wait either man. Lol.

In the meantime, here's another story from my past exploits. The last story from my past made me sound like a WBAFC loser. Maybe I was never great, but I sure wasn't always that bad either. Here is one where I got it pretty right -- nice and direct, and it paid off.

I was at this club and I was trying to pick up this blond. Face about 6, but tall and good body, so bump her up to 7. I had are against the wall, holding one of her hands. She had the other hand around my neck I think, or maybe it was on my shoulder, or my arm... shyt hang on, maybe she didn't have her other hand on me at all. Anyway... I was standing right up close against her, my face only centimeters from hers. Up close and sexual. I was suggesting to her that we should go outside, but she was refusing my offer. I kept persisting though, not in a whiny way, but just gently trying to persuade her, all the time maintaining the sexual tension. You know what though? I didn't even KISS her. Pretty stupid eh? I am trying to get her to come outside with me, and I haven't even kissed her. Fkkn idiot. So in the end, I gave up on her.

Now, I said this one was a good story, but so far it doesn't sound so good, right? Well, keep reading. One of this girl's friends later comes up to me and goes "you were trying to pick up my friend!" in an accusatory tone, but with a smile on her face. I go "yeah, I was trying to get her to come to my car, but she didn't want to. Do YOU wanna?" We were sort of walking a bit as we were saying this, and then these people walked between us and I didn't hear her answer. Well, later she comes up to me and goes "You left me with a proposition but you didn't wait to hear my answer". I go, "Well, okay, what's your answer". She got kinda embarrassed and looked down and said in a softer voice (not REALLY soft, of course, cos this is a nightclub) "...okay". I took her by the hand and led her to another corner of the club and sat her on these railings around the dance floor and started kissing her. She was like "oh my god, I've never done this before" (talking about picking up so quickly, and admitting to the guy that she wants to fkk him, she meant -- not that she has never kissed a guy). I can't remember what I answered. I think I just smiled and kept kissing her. We hanged out at the club until her friends she was with wanted to go home, and we caught a taxi back to her (and their) place and me and her went into her room.

Not bad huh? I was actually sort of joking with the "do YOU wanna?" (about coming out to my car), but I was actually also kind of serious. I didn't care whether she actually wanted to or not, but I was in a good, sexual frame of mind and the question came to my lips pretty naturally. I didn't expect her to say yes, of course, and she surprised me when she did (I was thinking to myself, geezus, what a freakn slvt!).


You seem like a positive guy. that's what i need, someone who won't drag me down. if u ever come down to florida. give me a call.

What background are you man? I can detect a bit of an "accent" in your posts.
 

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yea u're right. i'm vietnamese. u're really good. i could never do that on the internet.

yea i can see the day you publish a book. maybe you can write "The Game 2".

was she a good kisser? hmmm.......good things come when u least expected it. i should have that mindset when i go out sarging. just go approach the girl with no expectation or expecting that she gonna reject me so that way i won't try to be perfect. because perfect people do nothing.
 

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Good read so far man, ur surpassing ur original self.

U'll cold approach, u'll feel that "moment" and just do what u once did my man. Otherwise, keep the old stories coming. I want to know more about the game u had in the past.
 
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