Anyone watching the Miss America pageant?

[Warrior74]

And yet despite all this "I is still so oppressed by the evil white patriarchy " rhetoric it's only white guys getting fired by minorities and chicks. Weird.

http://www.returnofkings.com/17163/are-nitasha-tiku-anil-dash-racist-against-white-men

http://www.returnofkings.com/17666/canadian-feminist-kyla-garvey-gets-two-firemen-fired

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...got-two-people-fired-and-led-to-ddos-attacks/

So...three article describe a statistical trend? Where did you go to college? lol.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Read up here http://www.adversity.net/. Discrimination against white males in employment (public and private sector), contracts/loans and education is government enforced policy and has been for years. HR departments real purpose is to navigate and comply with AA (definition 2 below) and EEO regulations. On top of that, now we have the enforcement of "sexual harassment" and politically correct.

Affirmative Action -- This term has two very different definitions! Never use this term without indicating the version you are using!


Definition 1: Race-neutral, gender-neutral assurance against actual discrimination. This is the type of Affirmative Action contemplated by President Lyndon Johnson's Executive Order 11246, in which he sought to ensure that individuals have equal opportunity WITHOUT regard to their race, sex, or ethnicity. In this 1965 Executive Order, President Johnson consistently and repeatedly used the term non-discrimination and never once mentioned racial quotas or preferences. The original, unamended version of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 similarly emphasized race-neutrality and non-discrimination.



Definition 2: Racial-preferences and gender-preferences for the correct races and genders. Under this defintion, Affirmative Action is comprised of programs and policies that grant favorable treatment on the basis of race or gender to government-defined "disadvantaged" individuals. Under this definition, racial or gender preference must be granted even when the favored / aggrieved minority or gender has no actual evidence or proof that a company, boss, individual, or government agency has discriminated against them due to their race or gender. Definition 2 is based upon the Constitutionally dubious notion of proportional representation based upon skin color or gender in all occupations and endeavors in the U.S.



Regrettably, the original non-discrimination definition, Definition 1, which was race and gender neutral, has died a slow, horrible death at the hands of the incessant lobbying of the professional quota industry. The race-based, quota-based version, Definition 2, has risen to take its place.
The "preferences" definition of Affirmative Action (Definition 2) has become the underpinning of today's corrupted version of Affirmative Action.



The cruel, inside joke of the quota industry is that they always cite the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Lyndon Johnson's 1965 Executive Order 11246 as their authority for enforcing racial quotas and racial preferences. What they DON'T have the courage to tell you is that the original, unamended versions of these laws actually prohibited racial quotas and racial preferences!


Therefore, in current practice, the government defines Affirmative Action in terms of "desirable" racial and sexual discrimination which favors races and ethnicities who appear on the official gov't list of historically disadvantaged. Today, our government aggressively prosecutes employers who do not employ the "correct" number of individuals from their official list of historically disadvantaged.

Several very large, powerful Federal agencies with civil rights enforcement powers are responsible for forcing U.S. employers to hire proportionate numbers of preferred minorities: The U.S. Department of Justice, the U.S. Department of Labor, and the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Also, the U.S. Offic of Personnel Mangement is largely responsible for enforcing racial quotas among Federal government employers and agencies.

In 1978 these same four Federal agencies produced joint guidelines mandating, as a matter of law, that all employers must give special hiring preferences to non-white individuals which the government has arbitrarily defined as "disadvantaged". A complete copy of these Uniform Guidelines is available on this web site. The 1978 Uniform Guidelines remain the law of the land in 2004. The Guidelines are frequently cited by these Federal agencies -- DOJ, DOL, and EEOC -- when they file legal briefs in opposition to the many reverse discrimination lawsuits by whites and other non-preferred groups who suffer racial discrimination and exclusion under these policies.

Affirmative Action, Equal Opportunity, and Equal Employment Opportunity -- AA, EO, and EEO -- are used interchangeably and today all of these terms stand for "preferences" or "reverse discrimination" or "affirmative discrimination" -- take your pick.

Sidebar 1: In Bill Clinton's Dec. 1997 "town meeting" on affirmative action he asked his pre-selected, fawning audience "Do you support Affirmative Action?" What he did not have the courage to ask them was "Do you support race-based and gender-based hiring or promotion?" Now that would have been a great question!

Sidebar 2: In the Spring of 2000, Bill Clinton told a fawning audience of corporate supporters of racial quotas (including Eastman Kodak): "The point is, it [racial quotas] won't diminish white guys. It'll make life more interesting. But the struggle is to understand it that way. This is not a matter of homogenizing this country. It's a matter of celebrating, relishing our differences."

Also you will find on that site many government agencies' statistics show they over-hire non-whites at a rate of 4-5X their representation in the workforce. Then there are the government contract set asides that preclude white owned businesses etc.

 

[( . )( . )]

So...three article describe a statistical trend? Where did you go to college? lol.

Yeah we're going to see a minority fired for a bad taste joke by a faux offended straight white guy any day now You mental giant you.

 

[Martin Shabazz Jr.]

Until people wake up and realize it is less about race and more about money and power, we might actually stand a chance.

 

[Jaylan]

I will agree with you the moment I see "minorities" beat bankers to death instead of 80 year old white men.

Criminals are rather indiscriminate in who they attack or manipulate. That goes for street hoods and wall street thugs. But there are some of us who can see right through that comment of yours.

 

[Married Buried]

Yeah we're going to see a minority fired for a bad taste joke by a faux offended straight white guy any day now You mental giant you.

My HR is very open about it. They want to make the workplace more ethnic, so they primarily hire minorities, throw a whitey in there every now and then. Whitey is the first to get fired too, I have seen it. Also the black woman who is in charge, why do you think all the supervisors are black? They are racist as ****. I saw her facebook b!tching about white people, and this is the manager of the company. I mean the manager can be openly racist, and white people have to walk on eggshells? I'm sorry, but it's some serious bullsh!t.

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

My HR is very open about it. They want to make the workplace more ethnic, so they primarily hire minorities, throw a whitey in there every now and then. Whitey is the first to get fired too, I have seen it. Also the black woman who is in charge, why do you think all the supervisors are black? They are racist as ****. I saw her facebook b!tching about white people, and this is the manager of the company. I mean the manager can be openly racist, and white people have to walk on eggshells? I'm sorry, but it's some serious bullsh!t.

Really??

Where is this? Is there a Union involved?

 

[Jaylan]

Lmao...so another thread is gonna devolve into "black dudes are scary" garbage? If you wanna play the "find racist news articles" game, I can find PLENTY of articles highlighting blacks being targeted based on their race. Its rather easy to find those in America as well as many other countries. Hell, all I have to do is focus on law enforcement just to find numerous examples of blacks and other minorities being singled out based on their race...I dont even have to use street thug criminals. I can just use professional criminals aka crooked cops.

[sarcasm]But oh no, poor whitey has it so much worse than blacky right? Lets play the "My race has it worse than yours" game. [/sarcasm]

Sit down bro, you dont wanna get into this fight. I always get a chuckle out of these typical "woe is me, the white bro" posts that turn up on this forum. Why? Because I know you whiny weaklings only have the internet to b!!tch like you have a monopoly on being oppressed. That must suck huh? But can we stop with the victim olympics? Its not a contest.

For as much as some of you b!tch about minority groups having a victim mentality, some of you white dudes have a MEGA huge victim mentality.

 

[Married Buried]

Really??

Where is this? Is there a Union involved?

There is no union. It's a corporation. What if the manager was white, and hired all white supervisors? There would be helllllll to pay in the streets. This way nobody dares to question it.

 

[Jaylan]

Jaylan,

You said.....




So I posted several recent cases to show you that there is clear targeting of whites going on here.

There is little point allowing you to expand in the argument until you admit that you are wrong and that yes there clearly is targeting here. Right now you are only proving that when one makes a point, you change the subject in an effort to dodge said point.

I will be more than happy to "trade targeted assault stories" with you if you first are willing to admit that yes indeed these folks are targeting whites as I have shown in my links above.

Oh gimme a fvking break.

If it means so much to you, I will slightly amend what I said with this: Most criminals are indiscriminate in who they attack. No one has a monopoly on being a victim, and many perps target whoever they deem easy and weak.

The fact of the matter is that despite the little narrative you are trying to paint, most victims of crimes perpetrated by black suspects, are guess what? Other black folks! The vast majority of the victims will be black. But if you wanna play the whiny victim game and try and turn yet another sosuave thread into a "frightened white guys talk about how scary black men are" thread, by all means go ahead. Because I can toss links right back at ya in a lame attempt to paint some silly narrative about why a lot of people should be scared of white men. Its not that hard to mimic such tired blame games that go on here.

So be my guest brah. Do derail yet another thread into whining about black men even though this thread has nothing to do with them. Its funny how some of you always take any thread that touches on race and bring up brothers in some negative way.

There is no union. It's a corporation. What if the manager was white, and hired all white supervisors? There would be helllllll to pay in the streets. This way nobody dares to question it.

Many companies are just like this. I know of several. Where my friends and I have worked currently and over the years, the vast majority of managers have been white, and usually white males. And some of those companies had no women or minorities in position of authority.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Many companies are just like this. I know of several. Where my friends and I have worked currently and over the years, the vast majority of managers have been white, and usually white males. And some of those companies had no women or minorities in position of authority.

Not that I believe you in the first place, because my own eyes and the statistics show women and "minorities" are over represented in corporate jobs let alone in public sector. But when there's around 7x as many whites in the work force, and qualified white males might be over 10x as numerous, then a majority of white male managers means nothing. You can and do have massive discrimination against white males even if you had a majority of white managers.

If even the top 15%-20% of the most qualified and most driven white males manage to make it, then that potentially still leaves a vast majority of white males being cheated by AA. Idiot.

 

[Married Buried]

Oh gimme a fvking break.

If it means so much to you, I will slightly amend what I said with this: Most criminals are indiscriminate in who they attack. No one has a monopoly on being a victim, and many perps target whoever they deem easy and weak.

The fact of the matter is that despite the little narrative you are trying to paint, most victims of crimes perpetrated by black suspects, are guess what? Other black folks! The vast majority of the victims will be black. But if you wanna play the whiny victim game and try and turn yet another sosuave thread into a "frightened white guys talk about how scary black men are" thread, by all means go ahead. Because I can toss links right back at ya in a lame attempt to paint some silly narrative about why a lot of people should be scared of white men. Its not that hard to mimic such tired blame games that go on here.

So be my guest brah. Do derail yet another thread into whining about black men even though this thread has nothing to do with them. Its funny how some of you always take any thread that touches on race and bring up brothers in some negative way.
Many companies are just like this. I know of several. Where my friends and I have worked currently and over the years, the vast majority of managers have been white, and usually white males. And some of those companies had no women or minorities in position of authority.

Just for the record, I don't care the managers are black. In fact, most of them are cool as hell. I am not ruling out the possibility they got the position because they were the most qualified. That position I applied for, and I was more experienced, the black guy gave it to the hispanic guy even though I was more qualified. He didn't even tell me to my face I wasn't getting it. After the interview and all that, I found out when they announced it to the company. Why didn't he at least tell me face to face? It's like he did it to spite me. Everyone else they call in to the room, and explain why they didn't get the position. He thought I would freak out and quit or something. The joke is on him, I kept cool.

That was ****ed up. I don't care, I am happier now in my current position, so it worked out. They COULDN'T deny me for that one, because I was the only one who applied except one other guy who I was leaps and bounds better than.

 

[Jaylan]

Does this mean your threat to find so many clearly targeted "non-white victims" is not panning out?


By the way, it is mainly gang-warfare when it's black on black crime. When it's black on white, it's just polar bear hunting. As evidenced by these guys SPECIFICALLY saying they were going after whitey.

Quite a sizeable difference there.

And for what it's worth, I'm not trying to paint black men as scary, I am merely pointing out the facts, white men are being targeted by black thugs, and the thugs explicitly admit to this. You extrapolate this reality to say "ALL black men are scary". It is exactly this extrapolation that protects the criminal element amongst the black community. ironically, this also in turn perpetuates the enormous black crime rate.

If you want to reduce black crime? Stop getting mad at people who are pointing it out. Then we can stop letting the PC bull$hit keep us from fixing the problem.

Like I said, yet another thread that has NOTHING to do with black men has turned into a whine fest about how whitey has it so bad because of blackies actions be it in the workplace or on the street.

Some sosuave posters need something new to whine about. If you really wanna take the thread in that direction, how about you create your own instead of derailing this one? And whats funny is guys like you dont give a damn about fixing many problems in this country that affect Americans of various minority communities...because all I ever see you doing is talking about fixing problems that hurt white men in some way.

How about solutions that better overall American society? But again I say, if you wanna continue this convo, create your own thread for one instead of derailing an unrelated thread into a white fest about whiteys problems because of blackie. Like I said, theres no monopoly on victimhood, especially when you consider the racial makeup of the so called law enforcement. The law enforcement that we found out on national news ran over a man with a cruiser because idiots dont know how to follow protocol.

Not that I believe you in the first place, because my own eyes and the statistics show women and "minorities" are over represented in corporate jobs let alone in public sector. But when there's around 7x as many whites in the work force, and qualified white males might be over 10x as numerous, then a majority of white male managers means nothing. You can and do have massive discrimination against white males even if you had a majority of white managers.

If even the top 15%-20% of the most qualified and most driven white males manage to make it, then that potentially still leaves a vast majority of white males being cheated by AA. Idiot.

I dont need you to believe me bro. Its what I and many others see with our own eyes. There are even statistics out there proving the fact that the majority of authority figures in the American workplace are white males.

You really need to calm down...you still have the upper hand out there for the time being.

Just for the record, I don't care the managers are black. In fact, most of them are cool as hell. I am not ruling out the possibility they got the position because they were the most qualified. That position I applied for, and I was more experienced, the black guy gave it to the hispanic guy even though I was more qualified. He didn't even tell me to my face I wasn't getting it. After the interview and all that, I found out when they announced it to the company. Why didn't he at least tell me face to face? It's like he did it to spite me. Everyone else they call in to the room, and explain why they didn't get the position. He thought I would freak out and quit or something. The joke is on him, I kept cool.

That was ****ed up. I don't care, I am happier now in my current position, so it worked out. They COULDN'T deny me for that one, because I was the only one who applied except one other guy who I was leaps and bounds better than.

You sound just like minorities who assume their race holds them back. For every white guy whos saying what you just have, theres several minorities whove faced the same thing (whether or not race was really a factor). The funny thing is that youre sitting here telling your story, expecting to be believed and taken seriously...when you already dismissed others experiences with who they see holds authority at their work places. And in the past you and others easily dismiss minorities when they claim to be victims of racism.

So what do you think you will gain or be met with here right now when you bring your own story of perceived discrimination? Itd be silly of you to think others should take you seriously when you generally seem unable to do the same for others.

 

[Jaylan]

The only one I see here whining is you Jaylan.......


But then, facts always hurt the liberals.

Lmao, Im not the one constantly bringing up minorities in threads or b!!tching about things being PC only when it pertains to non-whites. I swear some of you are worse than Indian race troll.

A lot of you really have a big focus on race in your life...and this is me, a black guy telling you this. You lot whine more than the "woe is me" minorities Ive met in my life.

How convenient of you to ignore racist crimes that happen to non-whites. How convenient of you to ignore the fact that law enforcement even targets minorities. Hell, "stop and frisk" in NYC in all about targeting non-whites, of which over 90% who are stopped are innocent based on reports provided by the NYPD. All you care about is your own white self interest. Its not like whites are the only victims of racial profiling or racist crimes. So please just stop bro.

For every case you can link of a black dude targeting whites, I can find a white dude targeting non whites in this country and all over the world. Like I said, no one has a monopoly on being a victim.

PS - As I already said, if this issue is so important to you CREATE YOUR OWN THREAD. Stop bringing this stuff up in UNRELATED threads. You and others have a habit of doing this. If you wanna b!!tch about minorities and "PC" garbage, make a thread. Thats the last I address this in this particular thread. We can continue our discourse in another thread. No more derailment.

 

[Jaylan]

The difference between you and I is that I actually BLAME the white racists for crimes against blacks.

But you just rage against whites for pointing out the reversal, this thread as a case in point.

Please show me where I said anything good about criminals? I have many times said idiot racist are idiot racist. Doesnt matter their background. My point in rallying against you in this thread is because you ALWAYS do this. You always look for a way to bring up and demonize black men in threads that have NOTHING to do with them.

Thats why myself and others on this board think that some of you white dudes have a chip on your shoulder. I have no problem condemning racists and criminals. But I also have no problem pointing out people with obvious racial issues who continually look for ways to talk about a specific group of people.

I can find a ton of posts where you get mad at people for pointing out this crime spree against whites......but can you find ANY post where I support cops beating guys because they are black?

And guess what? I call out idiots when they look to generalize all black people or all women or all gay people for the actions of some. Because posters on this board have a habit of doing that...a habit of stereotyping, and a habit of bringing up groups of people to bash when they have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

How's that hypocrisy working for you?

I could ask your blind self the same question.

I reiterate......

If you really want to do something for your race and the perception of black men, then let us eliminate the stigma on blacks by helping us go after the criminal element among your race instead of crying racism or hating on whites for noticing the problem.

And again I say, what does this have to do with this thread at all? You wanna have a discussion about this issue? Then create your own thread and we can have a mature conversation (though I doubt thats possible since we do have posters on this board with obvious issues towards minorities)

THIS THREAD is about the Mrs America pageant, NOT black crime. Though its so typical that any thread that even lightly mentions someones race on this forum, always turns into some b!!tch-fest about what black men do. Why is that? This thread is about an Indian American winning a beauty/personality contest, and in comes white dudes whining about black crime and black men taking their jobs.

I mean, really? That says a lot about you guys that you do this so damn much. White men in the manosphere are the new whiny race baitors. I dont see how anyone can try and vilify minorities for that anymore when you guys do it just as much, if not more so. You guys whine and race-bait more than the so called leftist liberals you deride so much.

Sure youll prolly say "I only present facts regarding issues of race and gender", but whiny liberals in the media make the same exact excuses, and you call them out for it. The parallel in behavior is humorous to me.

 

[Married Buried]

QUOTE JAYLAN

You sound just like minorities who assume their race holds them back. For every white guy whos saying what you just have, theres several minorities whove faced the same thing (whether or not race was really a factor). The funny thing is that youre sitting here telling your story, expecting to be believed and taken seriously...when you already dismissed others experiences with who they see holds authority at their work places. And in the past you and others easily dismiss minorities when they claim to be victims of racism.

So what do you think you will gain or be met with here right now when you bring your own story of perceived discrimination? Itd be silly of you to think others should take you seriously when you generally seem unable to do the same for others.

I posted a field report. Have you ever posted a field report? It's when you actually experience things and post extreme details of what took place.

So you reply to my detailed field report with generalizations that black people are discriminated too? Post details. I want to hear an exact experience you went through to back up your posts. When did you get discriminated at work? When did management diss you for a promotion? When exactly did all these white males make minorities their subordinates?

YOU posted all that, but this is what everybody posts. Do you have any experiences, or are you speaking through your ass?

 

[Stagger Lee]

QUOTE JAYLAN



I posted a field report. Have you ever posted a field report? It's when you actually experience things and post extreme details of what took place.

So you reply to my detailed field report with generalizations that black people are discriminated too? Post details. I want to hear an exact experience you went through to back up your posts. When did you get discriminated at work? When did management diss you for a promotion? When exactly did all these white males make minorities their subordinates?

YOU posted all that, but this is what everybody posts. Do you have any experiences, or are you speaking through your ass?

Just like with feminist, he'll just ignore all the advantages he's given by AA and imagine and fabricate how he's at the disadvantage and white males are all given the advantage.

So you'd also have to believe the fairytales that feminist spin to believe that "minorities" aren't given an advantage too.

 

[Married Buried]

Just like with feminist, he'll just ignore all the advantages he's given by AA and imagine and fabricate how he's at the disadvantage and white males are all given the advantage.

So you'd also have to believe the fairytales that feminist spin to believe that "minorities" aren't given an advantage too.

He hasn't replied so that means he never actually experienced the racism, he's just talking through his ass.

 

[Jaylan]

He hasn't replied so that means he never actually experienced the racism, he's just talking through his ass.

Dude, my telling you my experiences with racism wont change your whiny viewpoints.

Should I go into detail about the time me and my friends almost got jumped by a bunch of racist hick white idiots for no reason other than the fact that we dare be minorities in their neighborhood? Mind you we were visiting a friend of ours who lived there. Would you like to hear about the racial slurs, and how those fools dared to try to get in the faces of the females we had with us in our group? Or how about when we tried to leave one idiot tried to throw his ATV is front of my car. If I wasnt smart and really wanted to, I could have rammed the kid and made sure he got hurt bad.

Or should I tell you about the teachers in grade school who mistreated the black and latino kids but treated the white students like angels? However because we are kids and they are the adults, our frustrations were generally swept under the rug.

Gimme a break dude. Like I said, there is no monopoly on racism here. I could go on and on about sh!!t Ive personally experienced, and a lot more crap my close friends have experienced. Yet you think you have it so bad being white. Lmfao :crackup:.

[sarcasm]Yeah us minorities have SOOOOO many advantages. Yeah, Ive never personally experienced racism. And of course Im talking out of my ass when I say that I and others regularly see white males in positions of power, with women and minorities of various backgrounds working underneath them. Yeah, Im so lying when I say that the experiences of myself and others back up nationwide statistics which show white males are over-represented in power positions while minorities and women tend to be underrepresented [/sarcasm]

For all your gripes dude, theres tons of people out there dealing with the same if not worse crap...and they arent white. You think women and minorities have it so good? All reputable evidence clearly shows we dont have it that great. When you control for education and experience white men still are over-presented in authority positions and still make more cash and even get more resume call backs than minorities and women.

You really dont wanna get into this because there have been university studies done on this stuff that back up my points. However, I know you and others will simply dismiss any studies backing up what I said and call it biased....because of course your anecdotal evidence trumps sociological research

 

[Married Buried]

Dude, my telling you my experiences with racism wont change your whiny viewpoints.

Should I go into detail about the time me and my friends almost got jumped by a bunch of racist hick white kids for no reason others than the fact that we dare be minorities in their neighborhood? Mind you we were visiting a friend of ours who lived there. Would you like to hear about the racial slurs, and how those fools dared to try to get in the faces of the females we had with us in our group?

Or should I tell you about the teachers in grade school who mistreated the black and latino kids but treated the white students like angels? However because we are kids and they are the adults, our frustrations were generally swept under the rug.

Gimme a break dude. Like I said, there is no monopoly on racism here. I could go on and on about sh!!t Ive personally experienced, and a lot more crap my close friends have experienced. Yet you think you have it so bad being white. Lmfao :crackup:

Your first example means nothing. Try being white and walking into southeast DC or a black neighborhood. It would be much worse.

What exactly did the teachers do? They "mistreated" you huh?

And Gradeschool? Maybe you missed the part where we are talking about CURRENT events.