Anyone got a good take on this fallacy ?

[Ricky]

Go out in the real world. There are couples everywhere. They arent always attractive but there are plenty of attractive women out there with guys that objectively lower SMV than them.

in fact you will see alot more non chads out and about with a woman as couples. Chads dont stay in relationships long as they go for variety etc.

 

[Slag]

So how the hell do women keep the demand for this so high ? when its so widely and readily available ?

Because never before in history have more men spent more time consuming p0rn than they do now.

This phenomenon spills into dating apps where again a lot of men seem to be literally fighting over scraps whilst women enjoy abundance of options ......

Because the algorithms skew the results in women's favor. Because Match.com knows the modern man is a thirsty simp, and is willing to pay big bucks to unlock all the features and whatnot, in a vain attempt to get his profile in front of more poon.

I feel like at the moment a lot of women seem to think that pu$$y rules the world and what's more worrying is that men seem to be buying into it

Pu$$y does rule the world though. The desire to obtain it has propelled many men to great heights of achievement for millennia. Same as it does today.

As I've outlined multiple times above when you look at what's actually going on.....theres a total abundance of pu$$y out there ?

Eh.... I live in a rural area, and there is by no means an abundance of single attractive women. I can go to my local watering hole on a Saturday night, and of the 40 people there, 30 will be guys, 6 of the women there will be with their boyfriends, 2 will be fatties, and if luck strikes, the remaining 2 might be single and moderately attractive. The demographics aren't much different when I'm out and about even to the larger towns around my area. It's fatties and slags all around. There are attractive women, don't get me wrong, but an abundance? Not here.
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[Vending Machine Veteran]

Women will always be the gatekeepers of sex, as it abides by the laws of nature: sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive

Men have more testosterone, which leads to a higher sex drive.

Men also aren't as cunning as women, which you can also blame on nature. We weren't born to use our sex as a commodity

All a man can do is recognize this and act accordingly

And 90% of men will never learn this, as it would hurt society as a whole, thus the media and government tell us lies about gender equality and a simultaneous wage gap due to a patriarchy lol

Nevermind the fact that more women go to college and companies have been discriminating against heterosexual males for decades.

They need men thirsty. That's why they allow unlimited immigration into Western countries.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

You're missing my point

there's only so many " chads " to go around , and there's only so many women "chad" can entertain at once

The volume of women out there remains the same ( very fvcking high ) yet because they've created this preference system which men have bought into it allows them the upper hand

It's like one day all the women around the world decided

" ok this is how the dating game is going to be played..... we are all going to pretend we are hard to get. and every single one of us is the most beautiful girl in the world despite there being 3 billion of us , oh and we are going to drive up the demand for us by dressing scantly and posting half naked photos all over the internet oh and some of us are going to do p*rn "

And men have kind of gone .... " yeh ok just give me some pu$$Y "

Point I'm making is men are allowing women to dictate the terms and I can't understand why

Hen a certain behavior is rewarded. You get more of it.

 

[Slowhandluke]

You're missing my point

there's only so many " chads " to go around , and there's only so many women "chad" can entertain at once

The volume of women out there remains the same ( very fvcking high ) yet because they've created this preference system which men have bought into it allows them the upper hand

It's like one day all the women around the world decided

" ok this is how the dating game is going to be played..... we are all going to pretend we are hard to get. and every single one of us is the most beautiful girl in the world despite there being 3 billion of us , oh and we are going to drive up the demand for us by dressing scantly and posting half naked photos all over the internet oh and some of us are going to do p*rn "

And men have kind of gone .... " yeh ok just give me some pu$$Y "

Point I'm making is men are allowing women to dictate the terms and I can't understand why

yeah, I just don't understand the question. Chad's have their way with women. They can entertain 4 to 6 women at a time. because there are roughly equal numbers of women and men, that basically means almost all average men get no one. SoooooooOooooo average men must allow women to dictate the terms and conditions. But this situation is not stable. if women make the juice not worth the squeeze, when average men notice they are getting the short end of the stick.. most will just walk away. men are humans also.

even average men have a breaking limit. that is why there is less marriage, and more unhappy women.

it's like going to a car dealership.. the dealership will ask for a high msrp... some men will try to make the numbers work... but ultimately, most will have to walk away and the dealership will start losing money.

 

[BeExcellent]

Advice from the old lady:

Read what @Vending Machine Veteran wrote. That is why. Absorb it and let it resonate.

Life is not fair. Water is wet. Facts.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Most men are lonely and want the emotional connection with a woman that they get when interacting with them even if it's via online or OF.

There are literally guys out there that pay escorts just to have a woman to talk to and don't even have sex with them.

That's how. Desperate dudes do desperate things.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Yes I realise this but why !?!

Over the last few Years I've caught myself obsessing over women who in the cold light of day really weren't anything special or unique yet did an extremely good job of presenting themselves as if they were ....

As men we seem to obsess over pretty women like they are the rarest resources on earth I mean this forum is basically entirely based upon the concept of trying to catch them

But in reality theres pretty girls everywhere .....

I personally think modern women have done a brilliant job in creating a " look but don't touch " or " look and only touch if you can afford me" style system

Where they are constantly available to look at by anyone ( and this is why they all love social media so much )

But the second you want a piece of the pie they will make themselves as difficult to attain depending on how they perceive your value as a man

They all seem to do this to varying degrees too ,

its quite fascinating that men all over the world keep keep on falling for the same illusion

It simple. They spend 10,000 hours or so perfecting how to manipulate men and the average man spends 10,000 hours trying to master some life skill or trying to get ahead. Also, think of it in a sports context. The woman "has the ball" and knows where she's going with it and the man is on the other team having to expend twice as much energy because he's reacting to her moves.

 

[Slowhandluke]

Don't mean to be cynical, but I suspect it's way more than 10,000 hours.

Trusting my discretion, my teenage daughter and her girlfriends openly discuss with me whether they are effectively leading the stupid boys around by their (penis-shaped) appendages.

Women in general consider themselves 'the smarter sex' who lead 'dumb/simple' men because average value men need direction and it's on women to provide that direction men should take. That's why women are impressed with certain men because their (sexual) manipulations fail with them and they know how to play the game.

nobody really has an upper hand. if the goal is to be happy, it's in the best for almost all people to pair up..

that means women cannot be demanding...

Don't mean to be cynical, but I suspect it's way more than 10,000 hours.

Trusting my discretion, my teenage daughter and her girlfriends openly discuss with me whether they are effectively leading the stupid boys around by their (penis-shaped) appendages.

Women in general consider themselves 'the smarter sex' who lead 'dumb/simple' men because average value men need direction and it's on women to provide that direction men should take. That's why women are impressed with certain men because their (sexual) manipulations fail with them and they know how to play the game.

women who think they are better than most men will, if they are not careful, outsmart themselves.

there are many older women on dating sites that regret thinking like this.

 

[Bokanovsky]

I'm trying to understand how women are able to dominate and control the sex / dating market so well

If you really get down to the fundamentals, the problem can be described as men over-pursuing. Whether it's online or in real life social settings, men pursue too much. This creates a sort of illusory market where the demand for pvssy appears to greatly outstrip supply, when in reality the two are in equilibrium.

Note that this is primarily a rich country problem. And that's no coincidence. Our economy, to a large extent, depends on men spending money to attract to women. Imagine what would happen if the roles were reversed and women started to pursue women. The economy would collapse as women don't really need to spend money to appeal to men (except for basic fitness and grooming). A woman doesn't need to have a fancy car or a boat or a nice house/apartment to attract a man. Nor does she have to spend hundreds of dollars at fancy restaurants and bars to get a man to sleep with her. There is thus an economic incentive to keep things in this unbalanced state where men always pursue. The more desperate men become, the better it is for the economy.

I'm a bit of a history buff. One of the few good things about life in the former communist countries was that men didn't really have to pursue women. If anything, women were more likely to pursue men. Why? Because resources were scarce and you simply couldn't buy a lot of the goods and services that we take for granted. So there was no incentive to maintain an artificial pvssy shortage.

All of this is a long way of saying that money is the root of all evil.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Uhmm... you JUST explained how women can dominate and control the sex/ dating market so well. They are only going after the chads, while the average man basically gets no one....

The average woman also gets no one. Because she sure as hell is not getting a "chad".

 

[Plinco]

I'm trying to understand how women are able to dominate and control the sex / dating market so well

We know women will give up the goods quickly if they believe a guy is in the top 10% of males to try and secure him

Yet the remaining 90% of men don't seem to apply this same logic to women at all ? .....we have a society where men are literally paying a monthly subscription fee to women they've never met for naked content online via only fans , and yet this content that is seemingly becoming more and more available for free via instagram / TikTok as more and more girls try to financially capitalise on their beauty / sexuality

So how the hell do women keep the demand for this so high ? when its so widely and readily available ?

This phenomenon spills into dating apps where again a lot of men seem to be literally fighting over scraps whilst women enjoy abundance of options ......

Now granted these are all primarily online dynamics

However IRL sex work is also primarily a female dominated work enviroment ......and again supply seemingly far outstrips demand (especially when you look at the size of the P*rn industry) or at the very least is equal to it yet women are still usually able to command higher and higher prices for their "services"

I just can't for the life of me get my head around how women are able to maintain this charade where they are the "gatekeepers of sex" whilst simultaneously offering it out in abundance to anyone who's willing to pay OR meets a certain physical / socio economic criteria ?

I feel like at the moment a lot of women seem to think that pu$$y rules the world and what's more worrying is that men seem to be buying into it

This is certainly the narrative that's spread on social media

As I've outlined multiple times above when you look at what's actually going on.....theres a total abundance of pu$$y out there ?

how the hell do they maintain the illusion of scarcity / demand when it's available at such scale ?

If I understand your post, this is happening because the dating market is unraveling for most men. The reason why that's happening is in large part due to the legal system, which gives women an institutional advantage.

Also consider that men and women are psychologically different and perceive mating entirely different than men.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I'm trying to understand how women are able to dominate and control the sex / dating market so well

We know women will give up the goods quickly if they believe a guy is in the top 10% of males to try and secure him

Yet the remaining 90% of men don't seem to apply this same logic to women at all ? .....we have a society where men are literally paying a monthly subscription fee to women they've never met for naked content online via only fans , and yet this content that is seemingly becoming more and more available for free via instagram / TikTok as more and more girls try to financially capitalise on their beauty / sexuality

So how the hell do women keep the demand for this so high ? when its so widely and readily available ?

This phenomenon spills into dating apps where again a lot of men seem to be literally fighting over scraps whilst women enjoy abundance of options ......

Now granted these are all primarily online dynamics

However IRL sex work is also primarily a female dominated work enviroment ......and again supply seemingly far outstrips demand (especially when you look at the size of the P*rn industry) or at the very least is equal to it yet women are still usually able to command higher and higher prices for their "services"

I just can't for the life of me get my head around how women are able to maintain this charade where they are the "gatekeepers of sex" whilst simultaneously offering it out in abundance to anyone who's willing to pay OR meets a certain physical / socio economic criteria ?

I feel like at the moment a lot of women seem to think that pu$$y rules the world and what's more worrying is that men seem to be buying into it

This is certainly the narrative that's spread on social media

As I've outlined multiple times above when you look at what's actually going on.....theres a total abundance of pu$$y out there ?

how the hell do they maintain the illusion of scarcity / demand when it's available at such scale ?

Men want pu$$y. Most women give men boners. Women, in Western society, no longer need men for resources or security. Women want men who give them 'gina tingles. Most men don't give women 'gina tingles. Women, with the need for resources and security taken care of, can use their pu$$y to get the men who give them 'gina tingles. The other men, who don't provide the GT's, are left to beg for pu$$y.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Go out in the real world. There are couples everywhere. They arent always attractive but there are plenty of attractive women out there with guys that objectively lower SMV than them.

in fact you will see alot more non chads out and about with a woman as couples. Chads dont stay in relationships long as they go for variety etc.

Chads get hit hard by women trying to tie them down. The pressure is relentless.

 

[Slowhandluke]

If you really get down to the fundamentals, the problem can be described as men over-pursuing. Whether it's online or in real life social settings, men pursue too much. This creates a sort of illusory market where the demand for pvssy appears to greatly outstrip supply, when in reality the two are in equilibrium.

Note that this is primarily a rich country problem. And that's no coincidence. Our economy, to a large extent, depends on men spending money to attract to women. Imagine what would happen if the roles were reversed and women started to pursue women. The economy would collapse as women don't really need to spend money to appeal to men (except for basic fitness and grooming). A woman doesn't need to have a fancy car or a boat or a nice house/apartment to attract a man. Nor does she have to spend hundreds of dollars at fancy restaurants and bars to get a man to sleep with her. There is thus an economic incentive to keep things in this unbalanced state where men always pursue. The more desperate men become, the better it is for the economy.

I'm a bit of a history buff. One of the few good things about life in the former communist countries was that men didn't really have to pursue women. If anything, women were more likely to pursue men. Why? Because resources were scarce and you simply couldn't buy a lot of the goods and services that we take for granted. So there was no incentive to maintain an artificial pvssy shortage.

All of this is a long way of saying that money is the root of all evil.

Its not money that is the root of all evil. Look at one of the "richest" countries in the world, Zimbabwe. They probably have the most billionaires in the world:

The root of the dating problem is that society is telling average woman they are better than the average man. Men throughout history have pursued women, and women have "played coy" and played hard to get. That's how it's always have been. The difference now is that average women think they can have a long term relationship with Chad because he is willing to have sex with them.

The average man can pursue or not pursue. It really doesn't matter as a whole because that average woman is "dating" chad. Since there are less average women who is viable (also looking for the average guy to date), the average guys do have to fight a little harder for the average women who are still viable.. but it's really a race to the bottom. It hurts basically everyone. Even those average men that try harder, it comes to the point where the juice isn't worth the squeeze and they also leave the dating market.

 

[Scaramouche]

Hi Bokanovsky,
"I'm a bit of a history buff. One of the few good things about life in the former communist countries was that men didn't really have to pursue women. If anything, women were more likely to pursue men. Why?"......You must admit,the horrific attrition levels on the Eastern front and Many troops taking Stalins order,Westwards!,a bit too literally and plugging on,well past Berlin,(Why some even made it to Canada),left an incredible gender imbalance in the Eastern block......Indeed in 1946 there were 74.7 Males to 100 Females in the USSR.....There was a Silver lining,of sorts,in that the next generation of Folk,were markedly more beautiful than their predecessors,many less attractive Females having been weeded out.(Smile).

 

[Scaramouche]

Hi Hamarabimbi,
"Chads get hit hard by women trying to tie them down. The pressure is relentless.".....You make it sound like Hell for the poor Devils,while Old Amsterdam says it's lots'a fun".

 

[Scaramouche]

I feel Pornography,also has much to answer for,it can make Men just a bit too fussy....Indeed they may be right,it may not just be the only option but be preferable,to stoking some of the Plug Uglies,left at the back of the Queue.LOL.

 

[zekko]

I'm trying to understand how women are able to dominate and control the sex / dating market so well

One reason is women want the best man, but men like variety. That keeps a lot of women in demand.

 

[Bingo-Player]

One reason is women want the best man, but men like variety. That keeps a lot of women in demand.

thats a good point