Anyone feel like this stuff is almost detrimental to learn when you're young?

[Brighty]

Like I'm talking about taking all of this stuff in when you're just starting off in high school, when you normally should be learning the ins and outs of how girls and relationships work. Do you guys think its almost detrimental to dive right into this stuff before you have some experience with girls under your belt?

I don't know, just something I was pitching around in my head after reading some of the responses in the "Your 17 year old son asks you for advice" thread, especially after Daddy_The_Pimp's comment.

Because I came to this website when I was a freshman in high school and even though some of my friends are starting to catch on to the DJ mentality after we've all graduated, still it's hard to relate to some of my friends and the chode things they do. Hell, I remember one of my good friends was the definition of being *****-whipped (Never would stop texting her, always hung out with her) and she ate it up and loved it. In addition, I feel like there were several incidents throughout high school that if I went against what this site taught me, I would've walked away a particular girl or had gotten some in that scenario. There were numerous times where I felt I had to "dumb my game down" to get with a girl.

I feel almost as if hardly any of the DJ Bible is applicable in that context because the girls there are so different, self-conscious, and inexperienced. And as a result, a lot of the techniques and ways of behaving don't necessarily work on them with the same level of effectiveness. I feel like you need to make those mistakes yourself, be natural yourself, and experience girls in that context before you can take a step back and really examine the game and then start to see success and effectively learn.

It would almost be interesting to poll the high school part of this forum to see just how much success these guys are really getting if they were completely honest, because I have a hunch that it's not as much as the other sections of the forums.

I'm not trying to start any flame wars or any arguments, I was just wondering what the community thought about this or if anyone felt the same way.




.... Don't get me wrong, I am so glad I learned all of this stuff, but I feel like it could've been better if I had waited until maybe my junior year of high school before getting into this stuff and letting myself be naive for my first two years.

 

[Alle_Gory]

I feel like it could've been better if I had waited until maybe my junior year of high school before getting into this stuff and letting myself be naive for my first two years.

You can always stop reading and be as naive and AFC as you like.
You came here. Nobody forced you and nobody is forcing you to stick around. Its completely your choice.

 

[Asasione]

I had this same problem awhile back, I'm in first year of college and honestly most of tactics don't apply. The basics when it comes to inexperienced high school girls is all that matters. Make them laugh, make them horny, make them sad, simple really. The main thing I noticed is that the rules don't apply to the extent depicted in the "community". I tell girls I like them and lots of other mistakes like calling when I feel like and never gotten a bad reaction.

I guess most younger girls have so few experiences and lack of a defined lifestyle that any attention is better than nothing as long as it FUN and is a break from their normal insanely boring lives. I started gaming when I was 16 and honestly it was easy as hell, I started with C&F and girls loved me and wanted to screw me, too bad I was scared to take the final step. It screws you up knowing all this stuff that we do but, I wouldn't be loving life like I do now.

 

[Hennessy]

It would have definitely set in more naturally if you were to learn this stuff on your own (trial & error). Learning you are an AFC on your own would also be nice. Those are the guys women really seek, independent ones that develop themselves. They usually get stuck with choosing between guys who haven't matured but take the ones who seems the closest.

Women are never single because they want to be, they will take a strong man the second he comes around. There is a full blown bible here that tells everyone how to act with girls. And would you believe it, it works! Problem is, it is most likely a front that women can't see through either because there wasn't enough time, she can't find one better, or she doesn't know better.

Most women just don't know better, and a good man will recognize this girl being naive, makes for an easy **** if that is all a man wants. Some men out there like being in a relationship but who wants a naive girl to share themselves with? I do agree with this community though, it has its successes.

 

[GQ_Confidence_1]

I'd rather know too much about girls, than to sit at home depressed, thinking no one likes me, thinking I'm ugly, weird, strange, girls find me repulsed, etc.

Too much isolation in your teen years is not good, I think many of the older guys on this site (20-25 or older) can vouch for that. I'd rather know this stuff than just be playing video games throughout all my teen years.

When I think back to the mid 90's in my own life, it was scary. I would visit my cousin who lives a few hours away, and he might actually have a "girl" over at his house. Scary! Shock, horror! A real live breathing girl. It didnt matter what scale she was 1-10. "That's a girl! Pointing over there", haha.

In my paradigm, you would have almost had to bribe a girl to get her to come over to your house. Or to sit there for 5 minutes. This game stuff was incomprehensible.

The techniques may not apply, but I think it's important to get the social skills and social awareness from the DJ Bible and other resources. And by 18 or 20, you've got a healthy, well adjusted mind. You dont have irrational hangups that can set you back for years, like you can't talk to a group of 3 girls, or you cant go into a certain club. It'd be nice to have all the doors open by 18 or 20.

You can experiment with insecure highschool girls, but then you've got the skill to advance to college girls or beyond.

I would see this game material as sort of the pinnacle, you may have to adjust it downward as you see fit. But if it helps you socially, or helps sharpen your mind, then thats a good thing.

 

[KontrollerX]

"Anyone feel like this stuff is almost detrimental to learn when you're young?"

No.

Its essential similarly to how people should be instructed before they...

-attempt to drive a car
-pilot a plane
-use a computer
-operate a stove
-operate a firearm
-skin an animal
-attempt to get into public office
-become a croc hunter like the late Steve Irwin

So yeah basically my view is you're going to have a hard time winning at the game of life if you are never instructed on how to play it much less win it.

 

[Smack]

Look, it's not complicated at all. I am sure you are taking Daddy_the_Pimp's comment out of context. There is a lot of crap information out there, some even on this site (have you seen some of the articles here?). Reading too much leads to over analysing which is never a good thing. But having a bit of knowledge before you dive in head first is always a good thing.

 

[syed]

I think so.

There are certain experiences in your life that it would be a shame to miss out on. Being completely head-over heels for a girl is a great experience. That's what life is all about right there. And if you're young, and you come to this site and get brainwashed with all the "no girl is special, never get one-itis, never get in so deep with a girl that you couldn't walk away from her at any given second, etc"...you're going to miss out on some of the greatest (and worst) moments of your life.

I'm not advocating being *****whipped for a girl. But I think a lot of the time on these sites people get caught up in all the chest-thumping and ****-measuring contests. The goal for many people on this site is to find the tools they need to be able to "get" a fantastic girl. The goal is to get *****whipped, but to get *****whipped on your own terms. And when you're young, and you read about all these guys with their "plates" (foh), you absorb the wrong mindset and I think it's detrimental to experiencing the great things about life.

Also, I agree with what a lot of people are saying about reading this site religiously rather than simply modeling your game after naturals you interact with in real life. Learning from watching your friend is a lot easier than reading text off of a website. These sites have some great material...but it should be the supplement, not the textbook.

That's just my 2 cents, feel free to agree or disagree. Peace, guys.

 

[Scars]

You pretty much answered the question by yourself.

"I feel almost as if hardly any of the DJ Bible is applicable in that context because the girls there are so different, self-conscious, and inexperienced."

Your "proof" is what you've seen and analyzed while in high school. These girls ARE self-conscious and inexperienced. All they know is what they were brought up and TOLD to like. Not saying that gaming them wont work, because it does. But even myself felt I had to "dumb" down my game when dealing with younger girls. But that's the thing, it's only younger girls. They're still immature and don't even know the ways of dating quite fully yet. If you're an older guy gaming younger girls is incredibly simple. For one, you're already older, so you have power over them. It also gives you social proof. These girls have it in their head because you're older you can do what you want. Especially if you drive and frequently go to parties. Some guys make the mistake of negging them. I'm sure we've all been there before, where we met a girl and didn't have to neg them at all to get them attracted. Why? Because their IL was already way high, we already showed our dominance and social value before we even met them, or they stupidly just assumed it. Younger girls get butterflies when an older guy simply just talks to them, even if they're saying the most AFC ****. Once you graduate HS, this sh!t is a whole new ball game. I can't rely on social networking to meet woman now. I actually have to approach. That's when negs and **** become important, I think.