Anyone cathc the Tyra Banks "Womanizer" episode?

[STR8UP]

Okay, so the tone of my post was pissy.

This particular show just struck a nerve due to the blatantly obvious bullsh!t. Tyra asked this woman if she refused to kiss one of the guys just because "she didn't know where his mouth had been".

Two minutes after she told Tyra that this was NOT the reason why she refused to kiss him, the caption comes on the screen saying "XXXXX refuses to kiss YYYY because she doesn't know where his mouth has been".

The entire show was a blatant sham. The guys they had on there (with the exception of D!ck Masterson), were guys who treated women well, talked highly of them, etc. It was all Tyra could to do find a foothold here and there to twist words around to TRY to make them look like bad guys. Honestly, she needs to find a new casting director cause she could have done a lot better trying to point out that "men are pigs" if the guys she had as guests weren't so likable.

I understand this is "entertainment". I don't have a problem with the media. This is not not NOT about the "evil" media. But we won't beat that dsead horse.

The thing I have a problem with is there being a double standard in society that says that if I were to do a show about AW's who tease men into getting what they want, and try to cast these women as wh0res who take payment but don't provide service, I would be chastised and shunned.

And please, get it straight.....these networks are owned and controlled by men, but that doesn't mean sh!t. RATINGS mean EVERYTHING. And women gobble up this crap. So therefore it exists. They sit there with a disgusted look on their faces, then go out there and engage in the exact same debauchery that they were thumbing their noses at. And then we as men have to either look the other way and play by their rules or sit at home and whack off. Women reward the very behavior which they condemn.

I'm tired of having to listen to women bash men right in front of me, and have to bite my tongue so I am not socially castrated. Do you know how bad I want to defend myself when I am sitting in front of several women when they start talking sh!t? I can throw out all of the logic I want, but women will have none of it. So not only is the information bouncing off of a brick wall, the shrapnel ricochets back in the form of being labeled a "woman hater". I don't hate women....I hate the culture of entitlement.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Manufactured indignation is better than no indignation at all.

If one thing defines the human condition it's our addiction to a rush. Whether it's stimulated by jumping off a bridge with a bungie cord around our legs, watching porn, reading a romance novel, watching a horror movie or living vicariously through others, it's that chemical rush and all the emotional responses that accompany it that we can't get enough of.

Nothing stimulates that rush in a woman better than jealousy - and even 3rd party jealousy will do when it's been ages since they've experienced it firsthand. They willingly, and spontaneously, will cast themselves in the role of the jilted lover, even if just by association, to feel that rush, to chase that high. They love that drama because it reminds them they're alive.

Bravo Tyra Show producers, Bravo! You've tapped the mass media vein to deliver this rush wholesale.

Law 32: Play to People's Fantasies
The truth is often avoided because it is ugly and unpleasant. Never appeal to truth and reality unless you are prepared for the anger that comes from disenchantment. Life is so harsh and distressing that people who can manufacture romance or conjure up fantasy are like oases in the desert: Everyone flocks to them. There is great power in tapping into the fantasies of the masses.

 

[Sinistar]

The thing I have a problem with is there being a double standard in society that says that if I were to do a show about AW's who tease men into getting what they want, and try to cast these women as wh0res who take payment but don't provide service, I would be chastised and shunned.

...actually, if your show was provocative / interesting enough and more people tuned in to it vs Tyra's show - Tyra's show would be bumped. It's what draws viewership and commercials - period. Any message (implied or accidental) is irrelevant.

So what if our culture of entitlement shunned AFC's and women and entitled DJ's. Would you then be for it?

I'm just going to get right to it. Over and over again I sense that you actually expect women to "do the right thing" or to be this way or act that way. Get this through your skull - THEY NEVER WILL. Not in your lifetime, not in your future kid's lifetimes - NEVER! They are wired different that us - you know that. They will forever test, flake, etc, etc, etc. And we know that AFC's play to this weakness thus empowering them into positions where they can have this effect - on the weak minded who actually watch and listen.

Knowing and accepting this should completely eradicate all these expectations which probably drive the rants in the first place. Using logic, if you know that women will never be what you expect is it not then illogical to expect them to change. You're beating your head against the wall.

I don't watch TV at all. If you can get your show going I'll turn my TV back on

In the meantime, why not fight your battle another way. Master being a DJ. Never again allow yourself to blame women / AFC's for your problems. Master all of your encounters with women. Shed all the ones who flake on you instead of wanting more than anything to be with you. Spread the word to the AFC's around you. Maybe you'll be married one day - teach your children. Unplug those around you and let the rebellion start silently. A large scale attack right now will be thwarted by everyone susceptible to shame. And there's a bonus - a DJ of the master level can take what he wants in this world. If you don't truly believe that then you have a few more steps to take.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

r u kidding? do you know how much social proof these two guys got? do you realize that every woman in the audience was wondering what their "secret" was? You can't change human nature. Women, no matter how many shows there are, LOVE playahs. It's genetic. It's evolution man. It's natural selection. you get the idea....

I think you're right. Deep down as frustrated as these women are you know for a fact that they have a certain amount of respect for a man who won't yield and is true to himself. I bet most of those women in the audience would love to have one night with these guys. Afterall, as far as pleasing a woman goes they are doing something right.

 

[STR8UP]

So what if our culture of entitlement shunned AFC's and women and entitled DJ's. Would you then be for it?

No, I am against bassackwardness either way you look at it.

The problem today is that women have a lock on victimhood. They have a free pass. A "get out of jail free" card. There is no accountability. There are no repurcussions for their actions. It is entirely ONE SIDED. That is what I have a problem with.

I'm just going to get right to it. Over and over again I sense that you actually expect women to "do the right thing" or to be this way or act that way. Get this through your skull - THEY NEVER WILL. Not in your lifetime, not in your future kid's lifetimes - NEVER! They are wired different that us - you know that. They will forever test, flake, etc, etc, etc.

Someone needs to re-read this and other posts I have made which clearly state my views on women, which actually "defend" women's actions in cases where "women are being women".

There is a huge difference between the biological imperative of women and the artificial entitlement culture we have today that breeds a type of woman who, through her efforts to "rise above men", actually becomes an impossible to please, spoiled BRAT.

Women flake. Women sh!t test. I understand and EMBRACE this. What I have a problem with is how women's "free pass" gives them the right to behave poorly and completely write it off and say anything derogatory they want about men without men being able to utter a peep.

I'm almost beginning to think that maybe I SHOULD become an outspoken advocate for mens rights. An "ASS HOLE", if you will. I better not do that though....we all know that if I become a total ass hole women will want nothing to do with me.....

It's like you either have to wear it on your sleeve and OWN IT, blatantly speaking your mind with no regret, or you have to be a timid little he-mouse content to bite your tongue while women have a field day.

See where I'm coming from now homie?

 

[Sinistar]

Yes, believe it or not, I do see where you are coming from. There is no doubt regarding the double standard for women (especially in mega-westernized media-based cultures). For someone who's unplugged and aware of all the tactics - it is downright frustrating. So, if your point is that we need to turn this frustration into action - I agree! And hopefully we can avoid frustration evolving into hatred because that might possibly lead to even worse forms of entitlement than exist now.

I guess the question is what are you going to do about. How are you going to translate your frustration into actions that first benefit you, your family and friends and ultimately the lives of all the women and AFC's out there.

One day Rollo's gonna publish that book. Others will (and have) started other forums. Some will take the sons of single mommies and guide them. Maybe one day someone from this very forum will write a screenplay that takes on the subject in a way that lures people in and then wallops them upside the head for the big surprise at the end.

I just know that trying to cram the beliefs here down the throats of the unaware always makes them gag and barf it right back out on us. So, for some reason, I feel the message needs to be more subtle and less brutal. It's one thing to introduce a new guy or two every week to the DJ way. But when you're talking millions - they're really gonna all have to crave this message for some reason.

Also, I think trying to get women to be accountable maybe sound good on paper but trying forcing that to happen - no way. Too many AFC's running defense for them. The key is to make as many guys as possible aware of the advantages of being masculine again (or for their first time). In the end, women will finally get what they are increasingly missing - masculinity - men who lead, confident and happy with themselves first. And in that presence, the disrespect will fade into that which I think you are craving.

 

[Interceptor]

As long as AFC men continue to misunderstand attraction dynamics and seek sexual approval, and appeasement of women, and women let themselves be brain washed into victimhood and entitlement, there will still be conflict between the genders.

All we can do is try to open others' eyes to the best we can, but honor that other people are at different stages of growth and development, and not all will accept these things we're talking about.
You can't lose your peace of mind, and direction, centering, grounding ,etc...because other people are not getting this, and are doing this.

We have to folow our own drive, and ambition, and our own heart.

What we truly desire in our life is found in our heart.
And that is where we need to focus on.

Other people WILL one day see how zombified they've become.

One day.

But not everyone, not all at once.

We are all somewhat lucky that we have a certain footing on a lot of these topics, issues, and circumstances to avoid.
And we need to keep that full steam ahead mentality regardless of what the others are doing.

Our own life is wayyy too important to let it be influenced by these brainwashing peddlers, and crazy females.

Dont let that sh*t into your mind anymore.


WE have to be the leaders.
WE have to be the 'example'.
WE have to show WHAT IS Right, and HOW to do it right, and WHEN to do it.

Concern yourself with the things you CAN control.
And dont let Worry, anxiety, stress, and tension, and most of all FEAR creep into your mind anymore.

Your vision of what YOU want in this life MUST be more POWERFUL than anyone else's.
Especially when you are thinking with the benefit of others in mind as well.
There is no way you can lose in the long run.

Have pity for those fools who believe all that programming.
But dont let yourself be sucked into the downward spiral of disempowerment anymore.
The world is fvcked up as it is, and we dont need to add any more to the disinformation, disempowement, mind fvcks, and brain washing that is transpiring here.

Remember the old advice of not wishing it were easier, but wish (and work toward) being better.
It's so true.

 

[Mr. Me]

Look at some of your top sitcoms.

Sitcoms are always about dysfunctional people. That's why they're funny! We can laugh at dysfunctional people!

Just look at the classics, for example:

Gilligan's Island: It's all about Control Freaks. Skipper tries to dominate via his authority as Captain, Mr. Howell tries to exert power via his wealth, Ginger through sex appeal, Mary Anne through bribing with baked goods, the professor tries to dominate the others via his smarts (for example, he may be able to get them rescued by making a radio out of a coconut, so be nice to him, for chrissakes, and do what he says). Gilligan's the only normal person there. He lives in the moment.

Beverly Hillbillies: Jed's a millionaire because he's a bad shot and inept, Granny's paranoid, always brings a shotgun to the door, thinks everyone's a "revenuer", Ellie May's kinky, she'd rather have a relationship with a raccoon then a guy, Mr. Drysdale is only friendly with the Clampetts because of their wealth, Mrs. Drysdale is a hypochondriac. Miss Hathaway is a dried up old hag. Jethro has aspirations in business and with girls. He's the only normal person there.

The Honeymooners: Ralph's got an overeating compulsion, bad temper and he's very insecure and makes a bumbling idiot sewer worker his best pal to feel superior about himself. Alice is having an affair, I suspect, with her boss and her dance teacher. Trixie's an ex-stripper and Norton's the only normal person there.

I Love Lucy: What can I say? Lucy's a scheming shrew. Nothing but trouble. When she gets caught, she cries, indeed, wails, as a tactic to get Ricky to back off. Ricky gets his ego fix by being the star act at the Copa in NY, as back in Cuba he was a nobody. Fred and Ethel: hen pecked slob of a husband to another scheming overweight shrew. Uncle Tonoose was reasonably normal by comparison. We can only hope and pray little Ricky grew up undamaged.

I Dream Of Jeannie: Demonstrates the huge amount of crap a guy will put up with when you have a damn cute, sexy blond in a revealing genie outfit following you around all day calling you "Master".

 

[decades]

I think you're right. Deep down as frustrated as these women are you know for a fact that they have a certain amount of respect for a man who won't yield and is true to himself. I bet most of those women in the audience would love to have one night with these guys. Afterall, as far as pleasing a woman goes they are doing something right.

they are womanizers because, well, women "Like" them. And believe me, Tyra and all the str8 women in the audience were attracted to these bad boys.

 

[STR8UP]

Yes, believe it or not, I do see where you are coming from. There is no doubt regarding the double standard for women (especially in mega-westernized media-based cultures). For someone who's unplugged and aware of all the tactics - it is downright frustrating. So, if your point is that we need to turn this frustration into action - I agree! And hopefully we can avoid frustration evolving into hatred because that might possibly lead to even worse forms of entitlement than exist now.

I guess the question is what are you going to do about. How are you going to translate your frustration into actions that first benefit you, your family and friends and ultimately the lives of all the women and AFC's out there.

One day Rollo's gonna publish that book. Others will (and have) started other forums. Some will take the sons of single mommies and guide them. Maybe one day someone from this very forum will write a screenplay that takes on the subject in a way that lures people in and then wallops them upside the head for the big surprise at the end.

I just know that trying to cram the beliefs here down the throats of the unaware always makes them gag and barf it right back out on us. So, for some reason, I feel the message needs to be more subtle and less brutal. It's one thing to introduce a new guy or two every week to the DJ way. But when you're talking millions - they're really gonna all have to crave this message for some reason.

Also, I think trying to get women to be accountable maybe sound good on paper but trying forcing that to happen - no way. Too many AFC's running defense for them. The key is to make as many guys as possible aware of the advantages of being masculine again (or for their first time). In the end, women will finally get what they are increasingly missing - masculinity - men who lead, confident and happy with themselves first. And in that presence, the disrespect will fade into that which I think you are craving.

Okay, now we are on the same page.

I said awhile back that I believe that Rollo's book would be ahead of its time. The reception today would be lackluster at best (but I could be very wrong). I think though that with men waking up slowly to the truth (the pickup artist concept is now mainstream!) given 5-10 years we will start to see a shift, and our message will begin to resonate with the masses.

Another thing that has fueled this to an extent is the American culture of consumerism. Maybe this "second great depression" will help things along. There WILL be a cultural shift....mark my words.

Think about it. Nowadays guys don't have the expendable income to keep blowing on these hoochies. Maybe a few of them will start to realize that pu$$y actually has little monetary value.

I just think it would be liberating to be like that D!ck Masterson dude. Of course he's over the top and probably embellishes a bit of what he preaches, but a lot of his message is solid. It would be great to be able to speak your mind without women AND men chastising you.

And that's where the manginas "running defense" really kills us. If we don't have the support of a majority of other men, how can anything change? The tide has to slowly shift, but it would help to have a few articulate, intelligent spokesmen to start to disseminate the word to the masses.

I think it is important to point out that although we as men can certainly live fruitful lives despite living during this female entitlement era, we all still feel the brunt of the consequences with the flaky behavior and such. Sure, you can be a Man and create all the attraction possible, but at the end of the day women are still going to dis you. And you can shrug it off and say "NEXT!", but it doesn't change the fact that she wasted your time. You can't get that back.

Honestly, if I didn't have a few projects already going on that have a lot more profit potential, I would start working on something. A website, a blog, video and podcasts, etc. I know there's a market (Leykis proves that) but it would be a huge undertaking to start something like that from scratch and I just don't have the time.

It would be fun though! Too bad....

 

[ketostix]

No, I am against bassackwardness either way you look at it.

The problem today is that women have a lock on victimhood. They have a free pass. A "get out of jail free" card. There is no accountability. There are no repurcussions for their actions. It is entirely ONE SIDED. That is what I have a problem with.



Someone needs to re-read this and other posts I have made which clearly state my views on women, which actually "defend" women's actions in cases where "women are being women".

There is a huge difference between the biological imperative of women and the artificial entitlement culture we have today that breeds a type of woman who, through her efforts to "rise above men", actually becomes an impossible to please, spoiled BRAT.

Women flake. Women sh!t test. I understand and EMBRACE this. What I have a problem with is how women's "free pass" gives them the right to behave poorly and completely write it off and say anything derogatory they want about men without men being able to utter a peep.

I'm almost beginning to think that maybe I SHOULD become an outspoken advocate for mens rights. An "ASS HOLE", if you will. I better not do that though....we all know that if I become a total ass hole women will want nothing to do with me.....

It's like you either have to wear it on your sleeve and OWN IT, blatantly speaking your mind with no regret, or you have to be a timid little he-mouse content to bite your tongue while women have a field day.

See where I'm coming from now homie?

This is exactly it, women are not held accountable for their conduct especially in "romantic" relations with males. Women could be accountable if they were held accountable, but society does not hold them accountable. For example, women don't "flake" when it comes to the agreed upon time to be at school or work. When at work they answer the damn phone everytime. There's really no good reason why they can't act accountable in their personal relations too. They don't simply because it suits their purposes and they are allowed to by society as a whole.

If men were allowed by society to father children and not have to support them, physically control women and basically use their natural advantage to run amok they probably would. Basically women are allowed to run amok.

 

[ketostix]

Sitcoms are always about dysfunctional people. That's why they're funny! We can laugh at dysfunctional people!

Just look at the classics, for example:

Gilligan's Island: It's all about Control Freaks. Skipper tries to dominate via his authority as Captain, Mr. Howell tries to exert power via his wealth, Ginger through sex appeal, Mary Anne through bribing with baked goods, the professor tries to dominate the others via his smarts (for example, he may be able to get them rescued by making a radio out of a coconut, so be nice to him, for chrissakes, and do what he says). Gilligan's the only normal person there. He lives in the moment.

Beverly Hillbillies: Jed's a millionaire because he's a bad shot and inept, Granny's paranoid, always brings a shotgun to the door, thinks everyone's a "revenuer", Ellie May's kinky, she'd rather have a relationship with a raccoon then a guy, Mr. Drysdale is only friendly with the Clampetts because of their wealth, Mrs. Drysdale is a hypochondriac. Miss Hathaway is a dried up old hag. Jethro has aspirations in business and with girls. He's the only normal person there.

The Honeymooners: Ralph's got an overeating compulsion, bad temper and he's very insecure and makes a bumbling idiot sewer worker his best pal to feel superior about himself. Alice is having an affair, I suspect, with her boss and her dance teacher. Trixie's an ex-stripper and Norton's the only normal person there.

I Love Lucy: What can I say? Lucy's a scheming shrew. Nothing but trouble. When she gets caught, she cries, indeed, wails, as a tactic to get Ricky to back off. Ricky gets his ego fix by being the star act at the Copa in NY, as back in Cuba he was a nobody. Fred and Ethel: hen pecked slob of a husband to another scheming overweight shrew. Uncle Tonoose was reasonably normal by comparison. We can only hope and pray little Ricky grew up undamaged.

I Dream Of Jeannie: Demonstrates the huge amount of crap a guy will put up with when you have a damn cute, sexy blond in a revealing genie outfit following you around all day calling you "Master".

I think you are twisting the theme of the classics in the most negative way but even still there was a night and day difference between TV then and now. For one thing dysfunction was laughed at as dysfunction. Now it's practically reversed to the point where dysfunction is funny because of the maliciousness of it, and not because it's dysfunctional. What should be considered normal is considered dysfunction.

In I Dream of Jeanie she was portrayed as silly and she was usually intending to help her master. Most of his problems was hiding her fom the Air Force. Do you think they would have a man be a master of an attractive woman today? And yeah it was funny how Ralph Cramden was sort of a bumbling idiot, but he never really supplicate to his wife. He pretty much did whatever he wanted and called the shots even if he was usually wrong. He made idol physical threats against Alice all the time. I don't see where you get Alice was having an affair. Do you think there's any comparison of the Classics even from the 80's with today where the women are total empowered b!tches? I don't think so.

 

[Mr. Me]

Hey, I was joking around. I wrote those sitcom blurbs as a joke. Share a laugh. But I'll answer your question about Alice. There's a couple of episodes, one where she's working for a new boss and another where she goes for dance lessons. As I recall, the boss and the dancer were both smooth ladies men types and Ralph gets a little unnerved. But if I was Alice, with a loud mouthed, temper tantrum prone braggart of a fat husband, whose stuck me with a life in Bensonhurst living in a bare chintzy two room tenement apartment that didn't even have a curtain on the window, cleaning and cooking and doing his laundry, for sure I'd have my eye on the wealthier, dashing gentlemen. So I always suspected her of infidelity.

Do you think there's any comparison of the Classics even from the 80's with today where the women are total empowered b!tches?

Back then, the women in sitcoms still got their way, still pulled one over their men, they just went about it differently by doing what was considered acceptable to depict as "womanly" things like over exaggerating, spinning the truth, acting dumb and confused, pretending to go along with the guy's plan and... hey wait a minute, women still do that.

And of the TV shows of today's era, who are the most dysfunctional women?

I think the list is smaller and easier to post if I name the TV women who I think aren't dysfunctional, so here goes:

Judge Judy.

 

[jophil28]

they are womanizers because, well, women "Like" them. And believe me, Tyra and all the str8 women in the audience were attracted to these bad boys.

Exactly.... There could be wall to wall Tyra's sprouting this shyte 24 hour s a day, but ultimately, women are driven by their feelings,their hormones and thier genetic requirements.
TB's attempt to shame men and men's behavior into complying with some feminist inspired imperative will never work for more that 24 hours or so (or until she is drawn into longing for that new bright shiny thing which flashes in front of her - which might just be you .)

 

[STR8UP]

Exactly.... There could be wall to wall Tyra's sprouting this shyte 24 hour s a day, but ultimately, women are driven by their feelings,their hormones and thier genetic requirements.
TB's attempt to shame men and men's behavior into complying with some feminist inspired imperative will never work for more that 24 hours or so (or until she is drawn into longing for that new bright shiny thing which flashes in front of her - which might just be you .)

That's what I'm talking about!

These women have a collective scowl on their faces, but none of them are immune to the "womanizer".

I just want to see ONE mainstream show do an episode on AW's, and how they cause many men untold amounts of grief by using the prospect of sex to string them along and get a free ride with no intention of following through.

As was established in my "Mananizer" thread, the AW is the female counterpart. Not nearly the stigma behind the name, but a woman who uses the prospect of intimacy for gain without repayment is doing the same thing that women say that men are doing.

This just goes to show how well established the victim role is for women. Women can be a victim of a womanizer, but how can a man possibly be the victim of an AW? He can, but it isn't acknowledged.

 

[Janez]

poor woman. trying to weed out a few attractive ones who have balls and play the game.

it is the matrix. first matrix is our mind. second matrix is our world.


I haven't seen the episode (I pretty much try to avoid any brainwashing anyway.. - so my TV watching is very limited ).

My psychiatrist told me that she at age like 18 decided that she will go for "family type of guy". She said to me: "well, those guys are not the most attractive. of course guys with good cars, sport body, ... , are more attractive, but I decided this for my own best. I wanted to achieve my own goals.

If something like that was told on the show, I would give it thumbs up. But,..., yeah we know something like that was not told on the show


The question is what are the motives of tyra banks (whoever that is). If she is attractive woman, she must know that she is attracted to "womanizers". Every scool girl knows that "normal" guys are boring. But I guess her motives are money ,... and money

 

[jophil28]

No,

Her motive is to turn one of these "womanizers" that she is attracted to into someone that does as she wishes. To basically put her on a pedestal and remove her competition anxiety.

Correct...

The objective of "shaming " is to change autonomous behavior into COMPLIANT behavior..

That is it's sole aim, and, as such is an attempt to control.

 

[LoneSilver]

I have tried several times to watch Tyra's show but I find her show and especially her to be on my list of most annoying shows and women on TV.

LoneSilver

 

[STR8UP]

I have tried several times to watch Tyra's show but I find her show and especially her to be on my list of most annoying shows and women on TV.

LoneSilver

Yea, she seems like a fat, washed up, arrogant b!tch. This was the first (and probably last) time I will be watching.

 

[jophil28]

Yea, she seems like a fat, washed up, arrogant b!tch. This was the first (and probably last) time I will be watching.

I guees that would make her a "low quality woman" ?