Anyone care to make a prediction?

[Induced Drag]

Hello everyone, this is my first post. I've had my eyes opened recently. I realize now that I know nothing of women and I'm here to learn. I'd like to share the short Cliffs version of my experience with everyone and see if the group's theories predict a semi-accurate outcome in my situation.

*Dated girl for 2 months. We're both in our 30s, never married no kids. I'm an airline pilot, she's a lawyer.
*Everything was great. Frankly the best 2 months I've ever spent with a woman. Yes, the sex was fantastic too.
*She tells me before I leave on a trip that she had a client meeting in Dallas but didn't know if it would be cancelled or not. My brother is a lawyer. I thought nothing of this.
*See her after a week and a half of flying around the world. I notice somethings slightly off. A short time later we're making out and everything feels normal.
*I go home and notice have a text from her to call her. Says she saw some guy for about two months before she met me. They stayed in touch. Says she put him on the back burner for me because we clicked and have a real connection. They decided to meet in Dallas to see if there's anything there. There was.
*She got out of a 8 year ltr in Feb of this year.
*Says she has split feelings for us wtf? Everything was real between us, etc. Asks what do I want to do? I played it cool like I thought I was supposed to. I didn't get angry with her and acted like it was no big deal. Then I said take a few days and think about what you want to do. (yeah, probably shouldn't have done that). I didn't share my feelings or supplicate to her. I was stoic but probably too cold. I think she may have thought I didn't care about her enough.
*5 days after we spoke I get a long text from her saying there are enough feelings for this other person that she has to see what's there or forever question it. She has to do this before she can be with someone and it's not fair to me if she isn't 100% available. Also because we can't see each other without it becoming physical that we shouldn't see each other. Yes, I was shocked. This was out of left field and I'll admit it, I was crushed.
*Replied to her text saying this wasn't the reply I was hoping for, thanks for being honest with me and don't be a stranger.
*This is going to be a long distance relationship for both of them. As in flying back and forth to see each other. Kansas City is where we both live and Dallas is where this other poor bastard lives.
*Wen't NC for 5 weeks but I became weak and sent her a short text on the 19th of this month. I'm sure all of the damn holiday couples commercials didn't help. I said my brother's wife had her baby on Tues. That I'd like to talk. I didn't listen to my instincts last time we spoke. I hope she's well and I'll talk to her soon. I think she expected a call from me the way I worded it.
*No reply from her. It's been 10 days.
* I didn't call her and I've been NC since I sent that text.

I wanted her back badly for a long time just like the typical afc. Honestly, I still do although I know I shouldn't. I'd like to know what those of you who have a greater understanding of women think will happen?

Will she stay with this other guy?
Will she try to come back to me?
And any other comments or insights are most welcome.

Thanks guys.

 

[LP700-4]

*Replied to her text saying this wasn't the reply I was hoping for, thanks for being honest with me and don't be a stranger.
*This is going to be a long distance relationship for both of them. As in flying back and forth to see each other. Kansas City is where we both live and Dallas is where this other poor bastard lives.
*Wen't NC for 5 weeks but I became weak and sent her a short text on the 19th of this month. I'm sure all of the damn holiday couples commercials didn't help. I said my brother's wife had her baby on Tues. That I'd like to talk. I didn't listen to my instincts last time we spoke. I hope she's well and I'll talk to her soon. I think she expected a call from me the way I worded it.
*No reply from her. It's been 10 days.
* I didn't call her and I've been NC since I sent that text.

I wanted her back badly for a long time just like the typical afc. Honestly, I still do although I know I shouldn't. I'd like to know what those of you who have a greater understanding of women think will happen?

Ugh, buddy. You were doing okay up until this point. Like seriously, you shouldn't have replied to her "breakup" text. You should have just ignored it and gone NC at that point. Telling her "this wasn't the reply you were expecting" and "don't be a stranger" exposes all your cards, that you're deeply invested in her. You instantly lose all attraction and mystery in her eyes. The killing blow was your last text which was basically "I miss you. My life is basically incomplete without you. I'm a little AFC b*tch who needs a woman for his life to have any meaning. Phase I'll do anything to have you back...blah...blah...blah".

Now, more than likely this other guy she's talking about played the game right. He was probably nonchalant, never replied to her texts, if he did he gave one word answers, was aloof towards her etc. This drove her crazy and made her brain run circles (her hamster was spinning). She kept thinking about him "Maybe he's met another woman? Does he still like me? God, I can't believe he's over me already? Why won't he reply to my texts? UGH!! Why is this pilot texting me now? He's not the person I want to hear from now!!"

It may not be fair but that's the way attraction is usually generated in a woman's mind. Once you get a woman to be constantly worried about you, thinking about what YOU'RE thinking or doing or up to, she's subconsciously emotionally investing herself in you and generating feelings towards you.

From what I gathered in your post, I believe you developed severe oneitis for this woman. If your subconscious mind instantly connects jewelry and marriage commercials to this woman who thought that you weren't good enough for her then you obviously put too much emotional investment in her.

Contrary to what you've been told in the media and those cheesy Christmas jewelry commercials, WOMEN DO NOT WANT TO BE CHASED. Nope. Women actually want to chase you. They want to validate themselves towards you. It might seem difficult to grasp this concept. To grasp it requires a change of your mindset. YOU need to see yourself as the prize to be won. The woman has to work hard to do anything to get you and keep you. It is her job to pin you down. Not yours

But...but...but...what if she doesn't like me or dumps me or leaves me for another man? THEN YOU NEXT HER. It is her loss not yours. There are 1.5 billion or so women out there in the world and you have a chance of meeting a good thousand or so in your lifetime. The fact that you're a pilot boosts your possibilities far beyond any other man I know. God, you will meet so many amazing women from different walks of life from different countries, religions, cultures, professions etc. This is the part where you absolutely have to develop an ABUNDANCE mentality. Your goal should be to meet as many of these women as you can. Think of all these women as a ladder towards a future woman that you will meet who will match up to the standards that YOU require in a woman. This woman who dumped you for the guy in Texas. Think of her as merely one step towards that woman. All she did was disqualify herself from YOUR game. She proved herself to not be worth anything to YOU.

The last piece of advice I can give you is to spin plates. Don't date singularly. Date in multiples. That way women are pushed to chase YOU. Women aren't stupid. They know when you're seeing other women. Why do you think they're constantly thinking if you're seeing someone else or acting nonchalant? Because they know if they mess up or don't prove themselves worthy to YOU, you can easily move on to your next pick of the litter. It's very important to date in multiples, and only reciprocate towards the high interest ones. NEVER, EVER waste your time with a woman who has little or no interest in you. Never, ever do that.

Aside from dating in multiples, find something else that interests you. Something that will benefit your personal growth emotionally, physically, socially, spiritually, financially etc. It can be working out, playing pick up sports, fishing any hobbies at all, it can be opening a side business of something you're really good at. Just anything that doesn't put a woman in the center of your life.

Key points:
* You should have gone no contact.
* You shouldn't have sent that last text about your brother's wedding or baby.
* Date in multiples or "spin plates". It usually helps to deter feelings of oneitis or "The One" when a girl flakes on you or dumps you.
* Find something that interests you.

I typed this on my phone so there might be lots of typos and grammatical errors.

 

[user name]

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*5 days after we spoke I get a long text from her saying there are enough feelings for this other person that she has to see what's there or forever question it. .

^ Man. This is not good. She is telling you she would rather explore something with another man before she even considers you.

Walk away whilst you have some self-dignity left. If you pursue this any longer you will be sorry.

 

[abe0]

Agree with LP700-4...that said, we are humans and not machines and I feel your pain...it sucks! I am one who can easily fall into oneitis .....I have to fight it and force myself out of it to protect myself against what you are going through.
You have to love women.....two months they make you feel you are the best thing since the invention of chocolate. Then one day they dispose of you like you were toilet paper...God bless them! Abe

 

[Cremasta]

Will she stay with this other guy?
Maybe - but that's not important. What you decide to do does not depend on what she wants to do with another guy.

Will she try to come back to me?
Maybe - but it's up to you if you let her (the key word here is 'let')

And any other comments or insights are most welcome.
Ok, seriously. You're an airline pilot. If someone was going to choose a career purely on it's leg-opening ability, that would make top 10! If women aren't simply caught up in the romance of dating a pilot (and some will be), then I'm sure you've managed to have a look around when you land in other countries and you've got a bunch of interesting stuff to talk about. Play to your strengths , a man in your position doesn't need to wait around for slops... you just need to realise that :yes:

Good luck!

 

[papawapa]

Youre a pilot. Airoorts are crawling with babes, bang some and bang some stewardesses.

 

[Tictac]

You may be an afc now. But you have an excellent opportunity to learn the ways of women and the 'red pill'.

You have a cool job, you are no longer a kid but are still young, you work in places where you should be able to meet women. And.... You came here.

Let this one go. And get busy.

 

[DonJuanit0]

Will she stay with this other guy?
Will she try to come back to me?
And any other comments or insights are most welcome.

I will not say anything else than just answer your 2 questions, LP700-4 did the rest!

1. She will probably stay with this other guy yes, she hasn't answered you in 10 days which face it, is not good! She might even be with a different guy! The thing is, you were not her 1st priority and I don't think this will change easily.

2. Will she try to come back to you? hmm, there are three reasons she MIGHT try to come back to you and here is the catch,

a. She trully wants to be with you (which I think is the most difficult)

b. She wants some attention whoring (I don't know if she is like that, but many women are)

c. She wants someone after her break up and you are the easiest guy to get, either this means attentions, sex, or companionship! The thing when doing this, is that she will only be with you until she gets back on her feet.

I would suggest that you should move on and as an other guy here said, you are an air pilot! C'mon!! Get out there and have fun, find new women to trouble your mind!

 

[HalfPUAHalfAFC]

This may be hard, but IF she comes back, don't take her.

If she comes back it's because:

a) The other guy dumped her and she wants you to validate her worth.

b) She grew bored with the other guy and wants you back to validate her
worth.

c) The high off the new relationship wore off and now she feels like she might
have made a mistake by leaving you behind. Here, she wants to assuage
her guilt for your pain.

Like others have said... You are a PILOT. Rock that uniform at the airports, city bars, etc. and use your experience/travels as a puzzy magnet.

 

[Induced Drag]

I've been on fire, shot at, iced up, in flight medical emergencies and a whole host of other things happen to me over the years. Unlike the various aircraft I've been in when it comes to women I never felt I had much control when it all went sideways.

LP700-4, thank you for typing all of that out on your smartphone. That's a lot of work. What you wrote hurt like hell, I kid you not. However, thanks for being honest with me. I'm here to learn from everyone and I thank you.

This experience was a first for me for several reasons. This is the first time I've ever been dumped. This is the first woman I think I really developed oneitis for and it's shown me that I don't know sh*t about women. I've gotten by somehow up to this point and I'm by no means a natural.

As for the person who said I was never her first priority, I believe you're right. I didn't include that in my rundown but she told me over the phone that she thought she should have told me about this other guy when we first met. Somehow I managed to make it to her front burner if only for a while. That is until she saw him in person again.

I know now I could have handled this better and I've learned from my mistakes as many of you have been kind enough to point out for me. Although, in retrospect, I think her mind was made up early on because on the phone towards the end of our conversation she offered up the cliche' LJBF. I told her I don't want to be her friend.

I believe I may have just been a hot piece of ass for her rebound looking back at it now. I also believe she may have developed some real feelings for me over the course of our time together. She said that to me several times but I've since learned to place a lot more weight on a woman's actions and not as much on what they say.

Please keep the thoughts and critiques coming. It's all very helpful for me. Also, being new and finding this manosphere the shear amount of information is a bit overwhelming. Where would you recommend I start my reading?

 

[lux1984]

the fact that she never got back to you after 10 days means she's invested in the other dude. I think she may use you when she's done w/ him.

actions always speak louder than words

 

[LP700-4]

I've been on fire, shot at, iced up, in flight medical emergencies and a whole host of other things happen to me over the years. Unlike the various aircraft I've been in when it comes to women I never felt I had much control when it all went sideways.

LP700-4, thank you for typing all of that out on your smartphone. That's a lot of work. What you wrote hurt like hell, I kid you not. However, thanks for being honest with me. I'm here to learn from everyone and I thank you.

This experience was a first for me for several reasons. This is the first time I've ever been dumped. This is the first woman I think I really developed oneitis for and it's shown me that I don't know sh*t about women. I've gotten by somehow up to this point and I'm by no means a natural.

As for the person who said I was never her first priority, I believe you're right. I didn't include that in my rundown but she told me over the phone that she thought she should have told me about this other guy when we first met. Somehow I managed to make it to her front burner if only for a while. That is until she saw him in person again.

I know now I could have handled this better and I've learned from my mistakes as many of you have been kind enough to point out for me. Although, in retrospect, I think her mind was made up early on because on the phone towards the end of our conversation she offered up the cliche' LJBF. I told her I don't want to be her friend.

I believe I may have just been a hot piece of ass for her rebound looking back at it now. I also believe she may have developed some real feelings for me over the course of our time together. She said that to me several times but I've since learned to place a lot more weight on a woman's actions and not as much on what they say.

Please keep the thoughts and critiques coming. It's all very helpful for me. Also, being new and finding this manosphere the shear amount of information is a bit overwhelming. Where would you recommend I start my reading?

Start reading the DJ bible. One of the most important collections of articles you will ever find. Read EVERY SINGLE LAST ARTICLE IN IT.

 

[NewToTheGame]

It sounds to me like she was using you as rebound. Consciously or not.

Girls on the rebound are tough to maintain. I was seeing a girl for a few weeks, who had just broken up with her boyfriend. This ex of hers was calling her every day, crying about the breakup. He wouldn't meet her to give her stuff back, trying desperately to hold onto the relationship.

She was completely chasing me the entire time. I liked her, but wasn't super-crazy about her, if you know what I mean. So it was easy to maintain frame. Even now, months later, her friends and coworkers stop me to tell me how much this girl is still crazy about me. They don't understand why, when this girl talks about me so much, we aren't still seeing each other.

So, what happened? One of the ex's crying episodes made her feel guilty. She agreed to meet and talk to him. Somehow he convinced her to get back together with him. All of these actions of his are contrary to the aloof, indifferent, prize, "can't negotiate attraction" mentality that we talk about here. And it can drive you crazy! Here you are, handling your business, and this fvcking weak AFC comes and steals your pvssy. LOL!

But that is the power of the ex. He's triggering emotions in her that the rebound guy can't hope to reach--based on many months or years of their relationship. I mean, if I had called her crying, she would have just thought I was a psycho. Its why you should ALWAYS be wary when a girl is friends with an ex.

This girl still calls, texts, and flirts with me. Tells me she misses me, wants to see me. I always say something like, "it would be great to hang out, how bout we do x on y day" or "when are you free?" And its always the same response "I can't". And I shrug, and go on with not contacting her.

I guess I could go full NC, but I'm not upset by this one at all. Not interested in a relationship with her. She's hot, I'd bang her again. Would be nice if it happens, but whatever.

Moral of the story: rebound guy can have great game and frame, while the ex can make critical mistakes and still get her back.

 

[sylvester the cat]

Moral of the story: rebound guy can have great game and frame, while the ex can make critical mistakes and still get her back.

yeah, all very well but we all know how that is going to turn out for him in the long run. he can only manipulate her guilt for so long.

 

[Maximus Rex]

A Few Questions

1) In addition to the stewardess, ticket agents, and TSA chicks that work in airports, why didn't you have p*ssy on deck in every city you flew into?

2) Why aren't using your job to your advantage?

3) Off topic, why are do stewards tend to be faggots?

 

[str8-2-BONEzone]

u gotta SHOW THE ALPHA bro otherwise u loose all the hb8 :rock:

 

[Big Nuts]

The other man has higher value than you. Do you know why? Are you capable of introspection?

Is it his:

Looks
Income
Style
Status
Sexual prowess

He has something that you failed to produce at a high enough level. The only way she ditches the other guy is when she views his value as lower than she initially observed, while your value increases. That is your only in...and it's a long shot.

You cannot manufacture desire. Just move on and bang chicks in far away lands.

 

[Jariel]

LP700-4's post is gold! Not just relevant here, but to all interactions with women.

So many guys keep asking how their ex girlfriends could possibly move on so quickly...how can they forget their history, all their love, everything they did for them and why aren't they getting in contact? How can they not care?

The answer is simple: They have other options. They understand the abundance mentality and how to move on when a relationship or prospect fails. They aren't getting caught up with one guy (i.e. you) but are looking forward.

It's harsh and it hurts, but we can all learn from this! If it works for them, then it can work for us too!

I was torn apart and left a broken man by my break up a few months ago and couldn't snap out of it...that is until I started getting myself back out there and dating again. Now I have multiple prospects, going on dates, flirting and picking up women regularly and life is good again. I have no desire to get in touch with my ex and I see the failed relationship for what it is and can leave it in the past.

 

[VladPatton]

She basically wanted you both at the beginning and for whatever reason, she picked that other tool. The relationship is long distant, it'll get old soon, and she might come back. Her ignoring your text was rude as hell. Kill this engine, do a power-off stall, jump, and leave this relationship in the plane! Like the others said, no NOT take her back.

She's a cὀck carousel rider. You have no idea what's in her head, and it is not worth your time to figure out why she picked that other guy. Just move on and delete all her contact info so you won't be tempted to message or call.

 

[Greasy Pig]

LP700-4 is SPOT ON with everything he wrote and also about the DJ Bible. This chick treated you like an expendable object.
She only looked out for herself. She is a selfish, mercenary bytch.
Go complete NC and don't look back.
If she reaches out to you, DO NOT respond. She treated you like shyt and so, you remove her from your awesome life.
She might beg you and tell you how much she realises it was a mistake to leave the best thing they could've happened to her.
Be a rock, don't succumb to the lies, be strong.
This is a new beginning and an open door to banging better and hotter women than you ever imagined. Embrace it!